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post #51 of 223
1/8/08 at 11:53pm
Screw Insurrection. Just stick in Galaxy Quest. Tony Shaloub's a riot.
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post #52 of 223
1/9/08 at 12:25am
I always viewed the Holodeck as a massive lawsuit waiting to happen. Rip it out, put in some treadmills and potted plants.

Paul: Picard showed off his guns in First Contact.

Andrew: Hate to say it but you're right about Data, especially in the films. Though I do like the bit in FC where it turns out he can just turn off the stupid Emotion Chip he got in Generations.
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post #53 of 223
1/9/08 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by WayDen
IWhat's the deal with the holo-deck? How in the hell does society not come to a crushing halt with an invention like that?
I've got the same problem with replicators. How do you convince anyone to scrub the anti-matter exchangers or wear a red shirt on away teams, or take any of the crummy jobs? Nobody needs the cash if they can replicate unlimited sausage sandwiches and romulan ale, then head to the holodeck for a menage a counselor troi.
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post #54 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:00am
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FIRST CONTACT is more of a DIE HARD movie than LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD.
Die Hard or Prosper
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post #55 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:10am
Well I watched Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade last night and realised it made no sense. That was depressing.
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post #56 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by WayDen
Do they ever explain why this doesn't happen?
It happens to certain characters. But eventually they get counseling.

Apparently psychologists are very good.


Holodecks are one thing. Being able to basically cheat death is another. Heck if you ever wanted to jump off a building you could and then walk the next day.


Don't even get me started on replicators. They can create anything. I mean anything, except latinum? WTF?
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post #57 of 223
1/9/08 at 2:22am
The Late Lamented Charlie Brigden's review of First Contact

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=dvd&id=1943

I remember reading that when it was first posted and just agreeing with everything he said. I'm not a Star Trek fan (my mother is, so I had to endure Undiscovered Country, Generations and First Contact at the cinema) but even I recognised the severe downturn in quality after number six. I think the only thing which vaguely amused me about any of the films was Data's bizarre 'life forms' song in Generations and even that was more a reaction to the sheer oddness of the concept than anything else.
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post #58 of 223
1/9/08 at 2:53am
As long as we're posting links, here's a classic.
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post #59 of 223
1/9/08 at 12:32pm
Insuurection is bad, though in many ways it's not much worse than your average 2-parter from later in the TV show's run, with a slightly bigger budget (though that is damning with faint praise, since a movie should be a lot more than that). Generations also had the same problem, though for some reason I have a soft spot for it.

It was the last film, Nemesis, that absolutely killed off any interest in Trek for me. I was somewhat of a trekkie in the 90s, and even saw the crappier films (like Insurrection) more than once, just because...well, because it was Trek. Sitting there as the credits rolled on Nemesis I knew I was done with Star Trek, possibly for good. Of course, the dreary Enterprise series did not help.
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post #60 of 223
1/9/08 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Ratty
Die Hard or Prosper
"Come to the Enterprise, we'll have a few laughs."
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post #61 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:12pm
The thing that stings me the most with Generations is the way they once and for all off THE MOST FAMOUS CAPTAIN OF ALL TIME by tossing him off a bridge that's about to collapse. I still get misty seeing him die, but that's only because it's James T. motherfucking Kirk, but come on writers, send him out with a little more glory than that. He's the reason we have all of this cool shit, dammit!
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post #62 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:13pm
I've only seen Insurrection once (on DVD), and as far as I can tell I survived (though I may be wrong). It didn't blow my mind and is probably best viewed as an extended episode. In that regard I suppose it can be seen as a big disappointment, especially after following First Contact, which I happen to like quite a bit. I have all 10 flicks at home on DVD and I've been wanting to go back and watch through all of them again. Hopefully I'll get to them eventually. My most recent re-visitation was V after some discussion on here (edit: "What does God need with a Starship?"). In the right context it's definitely interesting and entertaining... Perhaps Insurrection will just be dull on 2nd viewing, but we'll see. It's the one I've seen the least of that's for sure. I think I've even seen Nemesis 2 or three times. Maybe that's the one I didn't survive...
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post #63 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin
The thing that stings me the most with Generations is the way they once and for all off THE MOST FAMOUS CAPTAIN OF ALL TIME by tossing him off a bridge that's about to collapse. I still get misty seeing him die, but that's only because it's James T. motherfucking Kirk, but come on writers, send him out with a little more glory than that.
Kirk saving the lives of millions of unseen space-cavemen wasn't heroic enough for you?
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post #64 of 223
1/9/08 at 1:47pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Molt,
Sorry, but Generations was bad. Not just forgettable bad like Insurrection, but memorably bad.
You could very well be right. I've only seen that one once and I remember I really liked seeing Kirk and Picard together and that Cameron Frye would be a Captain of the Enterprise. I'll try to watch it again at some point and pick out stuff to hate on.

Something else I didn't enjoy about INSURRECTION was Riker going beardless. My oldest brother who is a big "Trek" fan, he watched "Voyager" and everything, always suspected that Riker grew the beard on "TNG" because producers feared he looked too much like Potsie.
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post #65 of 223
1/9/08 at 2:46pm
Falling deaths are for Disney villians, god dammit. Legends go out with a sword to the chest and in super slow motion.
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post #66 of 223
1/9/08 at 4:22pm
Yeah, Generations is pretty awful, also, but I admit the one scene that works is when Picard is in the nexus and has a fake reunion with his fake dead nephew. That was well done and made me wish I was in a nexus where that was the only scene in the movie.
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post #67 of 223
1/9/08 at 4:46pm
Thread Starter 
Oh yeah, I liked that part too. Then Whoopi showed up and ruined the moment.
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post #68 of 223
1/9/08 at 4:50pm
Also the fact that Guinan was on Picard's Enterprise for how long and never mentioned anything about a giant energy ribbon than wanders through space destroying things?

I will say the crash of the saucer section was pretty awesome, even if it was just empty spectacle.
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post #69 of 223
1/9/08 at 5:22pm
At least Generations finally explains why Riker has never moved on to a captain's chair. He blows up half the ship and crashes the rest into a 'bout-to-be-'sploded planet. Even Janeway was better than that.
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post #70 of 223
1/9/08 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by BrianM
At least Generations finally explains why Riker has never moved on to a captain's chair. He blows up half the ship and crashes the rest into a 'bout-to-be-'sploded planet. Even Janeway was better than that.
It's not his fault he has to conform to the Star Trek forumla where the guy in charge has to crash the ship at the end of the film. Can someone tell me how many times that happens in the Saga?
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post #71 of 223
1/9/08 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I will say the crash of the saucer section was pretty awesome, even if it was just empty spectacle.
That was the scene that finally convinced me CGI wasn't as bad as I used to think. Filming a scale model crashing in slow motion does not make it look any bigger!
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post #72 of 223
1/9/08 at 8:56pm
I'm about to make a horrible mistake:

Insurrection is far better than Nemesis and Generations.
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post #73 of 223
1/9/08 at 10:01pm
Man, a Trek convention in South America. I can only wonder what that must've been like.
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post #74 of 223
1/9/08 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by FreeRobotSex
I swear to God I honestly think they misread the script. I think they read "Kirk dies on the bridge" as "Kirk dies by falling off a bridge."
At least it wasn't "Kirk dies playing bridge", which, given TNG's cheesy predilection for "crew playing poker together" scenes, could very well have been in an early draft.
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post #75 of 223
1/10/08 at 12:09am
The best scene in Generations is when Kirk and Picard are on horseback, and Shatner is literally riding circles around Stewart.
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post #76 of 223
1/10/08 at 12:21am
Honestly, there isn't a single Next Generation movie that matches even the middling entries of the original crew's films. First Contact was their best, and it couldn't even reach the heights of The Search For Spock. Nemesis just made me sad for the actors, especially Frakes. Because when you're gaining a lot of weight as you get older, the two things you really want to be seen doing in a movie are a naked love scene and a fight scene.

What's wrong with Nemesis could take up a whole thread, though. Don't even get me started.
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post #77 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:27am
I don't recall ever having seen a squarer trivia page than that.
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post #78 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:33am
The entire crew died in Generations, the other films are a mute point.
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post #79 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:38am
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Originally Posted by Mr.Eko
Yeah, it is. Here's the link to the page, and the actual trivia.
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Originally Posted by The Trivia Page
Nicholas Meyer was approached to direct the film by Rick Berman, but told Berman that he would want to do a rewrite of the screenplay. Berman was forced to refuse, as he had already promised John Logan full control over the screenplay, and so Meyer respectfully turned the offer down.
Oh, what might have been.
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post #80 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by Keith Fordyce
And Greg, re: Nemesis, they broke the Prime Directive in the first ten minutes. There, I got you started.
Stop that.
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post #81 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Samurai Mike
At least it wasn't "Kirk dies playing bridge", which, given TNG's cheesy predilection for "crew playing poker together" scenes, could very well have been in an early draft.
Worse still: Kirk dies playing "The Crunge" by Led Zeppelin. "Spock...where's that confounded bridge?"
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post #82 of 223
1/10/08 at 3:27am
<puts on giant geek hat>

I hated the bit in Generations where Malcolm McDowell launches the missile toward the sun and Worf says "impact in eleven seconds" and I'm all like wait a minute, in our own solar system it takes EIGHT MINUTES for freakin' LIGHT to travel from the sun to the Earth, how freakin' fast is this missile anyway, or is the planet's orbit like skimming the star's corona or what, and I was so distracted by the stupid technical error I couldn't focus on the next several minutes of movie, and I haven't seen it a second time because I'm afraid I would fly into a rage because of the film's general laziness on this and a thousand other points.

</giant geek hat>
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post #83 of 223
1/10/08 at 3:54am
You didn't miss anything good while you were distracted.
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post #84 of 223
1/10/08 at 4:10am
I, for one, long to see this thread on what's wrong with Nemesis.
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post #85 of 223
1/10/08 at 4:36am
Well, it wouldn't be nearly as interesting as my thread on why I can't stand Rocky IV. Because, well, what kind of sad sack would defend Star Trek: Nemesis? Besides, Rocky IV has heavy support 'round these parts (for reasons that remain elusive to me), and tipping sacred cows is always more fun than shooting lame horses.
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post #86 of 223
1/10/08 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Oh, what might have been.
Wow! I had no idea that Meyer was being considered for Nemesis. His movie would certainly have been more interesting than the crap-fest we got.

Having said that, while I love Khan, I think Undiscovered Country is hugely overrated. It's reasonably well directed, but the script is merely okay and the dialog absolutely atrocious. It has some of the clumsiest, worst-delivered lines of all of Trek, and the absolutely endless Shakespeare quoting gets tiresome quickly. The first third of the film is appropriately dark and moody, and the last third filled with action, but the middle of the movie drags terribly, with Spock having a contrived detective story on the Enterprise while Kirk has a pointless journey to the prison planet. Of course Meyer was only a co-screenwriter on it and not entirely to blame.
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post #87 of 223
1/10/08 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Mr.Eko
I remember reading on the Imdb that they wanted Frakes to shave his back for that love scene, and when he refused they digitally "erased" it.
Are you sure that wasn't Marina Sirtis?
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post #88 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by hans_kiniki
Having said that, while I love Khan, I think Undiscovered Country is hugely overrated.
You've made some good points. Too bad David Warner is coming to kill you now.
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post #89 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:10pm
My favorite thing in Nemesis is the super-duper ultimate weapon -- that leisurely unfolds into position, courteously giving you enough time to destroy it before it fires.
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post #90 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:42pm
And the Enterprise crew having to flip through large dusty books in order to speak Klingon.
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post #91 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:42pm
I think part of the reason I liked The Undiscovered Country was because it's the movie that paints Kirk in the most unflattering light. After the Shatner-directed Final Frontier that literally portrayed Kirk as superior to God himself ("Maybe God's not out there, Bones... [pointing to himself] Maybe he's right here!") I enjoyed seeing Kirk in Part VI as a jackass racist (speciesist?) who had always secretly hoped that every Klingon would die a horrible, painful death.
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post #92 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:45pm
Well, in the film and Kirk's defense, it was those Klingon bastards who killed his son.
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post #93 of 223
1/10/08 at 1:46pm
Thread Starter 
I wish Kirk had met up with Worf at some point in GENERATIONS.

"Hey look, it's my shitty lawyer."
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post #94 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:01pm
I have a friend who insists that Undiscovered Country is better than Wrath of Khan. We mock him regularly.
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post #95 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
I wish Kirk had met up with Worf at some point in GENERATIONS.

"Hey look, it's my shitty lawyer."
I'm glad you brought that up, I've always wondered about it: Is that the same Worf, or one of his ancestors, or what? Keep in mind that I've seen most of the movies but I rarely watched any of the shows, so maybe this is a stupid question. Do Klingons live 300 years long, or do they reproduce asexually making their offspring exact copies of themselves, what's the deal?
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post #96 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:03pm
It's supposed to be an ancestor of Worf.
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post #97 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:05pm
Thread Starter 
I got the idea we were supposed to believe it was some sort of old relative of Worf, though I don't think it was ever stated as such.

I'll admit, when I first saw VI at age 14 it was a nice surprise. As was Christian Slater. Oh what the hell, so was Iman.
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post #98 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:06pm
But he looks exactly the same as Worf? Is his family super-inbred?
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post #99 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:21pm
I just figured it would've been explained somewhere, considering how anal the Star Trek franchise is about continuity and all that. If something ilke that had happened in Star Wars, I wouldn't have batted an eye.

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Originally Posted by Keith Fordyce
Fuck Voyage Home. Just fuck that movie.
Well double dumbass on you!
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post #100 of 223
1/10/08 at 2:27pm
Thread Starter 
VOYAGE HOME was just what was needed after all the exciting and heavy stuff that went down in 2 and 3. It's a light-hearted romp that's fun for all ages.

"Everybody remember where we parked."

Tee-hee.
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