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So I'm gonna do a Terminator 3 re edit

post #1 of 83
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I've come to accept that Terminator 3 exists, and there is some goodness in the film. Its no where near T2 in terms of quality and epicness, but I hope to try to rectify most of those problems. Also I just want to have a copy for myself to show my friends and confuse them which version is the real version.

I am to do it damn professionally, in such that the film has to look completely like a professional did it. No just laying over new music. No everything will be timed trimmed, pacing adjusted, and humor mostly cut out.

The big thing is the updating of the score. T2 score being inserted. I've already toyed with the timing and a new version of the credits, and the timing is amazing.

I had made a re edit of the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions a while back, but eventually felt that those films just lost too much on the edit. Now with you tube, I can put up large chunks of the edit and show off whats going on.

I'll be using Adobe Premiere, with maybe some photoshop. My intentions are to extend the movie to make it look like it took over a few days (I didn't like having a good chunk of the movie in the day), insert the old T2 score, tighten up some pacing, and remove tons of stupid Claire Danes looking all terrified.

Things already written down in terms of edits:
-T-X will not say "I like your car or gun" it will cut in such a way we know we took them. The growing of the boobs is getting cut too. She's just going to get pulled over and take the cops gun.
-Arnold's entrance at the club and glasses scene will be shortened. The entire talk to the hand subplot is going to be gone. The Elton John glasses as well. He'll just walk out and go the truck and find new glasses.
-Upon Brewster being locked in the truck, it will cut early when Arnold holds up the iron bar and she has a look of terror on her face. This will allow some suspection of is Arnold going to be a good terminator.
-I'm going to try to insert "I'll be back" when Arnold is smashing up the car

I've listened to the entire soundtrack of T2 and will give a listen more and watch T3 again to get better pacing. I have about 5 sections where the music will be replaced. I'll toy around with what will work.

Hopefully some time today I'll start posting some of the work.
post #2 of 83
On a conceptual level, there's no way the "cute terminator" jokes should work in this opus of destruction, but I think they do. These touches, cheap and easy as they are, stave off that same-old same old feeling. I also feel that Beltrami's score is underrated. I like the slasher vibe because these are basically high-concept slasher action films.

Your edits are good though. I haven't seen T3 since 2003 so I'm not sure how well it's held up.

You know what movie really, really needs an edit of the kind you speak of? Although I would barely know where to begin.
post #3 of 83
Nothing good ever comes out of Premiere. Learn Final Cut or Avid.
post #4 of 83
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Nothing good ever comes out of Premiere. Learn Final Cut or Avid.
The second I get a mac, I will.
post #5 of 83
Though I feel the T2 score should be inserted, I dig the dark tone of the T3 score near the ending. That's about it.

I really don't see any need to re-edit anything else except if you add whole new bits in. I like that it'll feel like it takes place over longer, but the humor is the only thing that livened up the film any. Well the humor that worked anyway. It's a pretty cold film without it, since there's not as much emotion as T2.

I don't see why you'd take it OR any of the visually pleasing Claire Danes out. Furthermore, what's the point of taking MORE lines away from the T-X? She already had less than the T-1000 to begin with. These are pretty miniscule changes anyway (aside from the score and time) and unless I saw T3 a fair number of times, I wouldn't even notice them. Hell, I don't even notice what they took out of the version they're airing on FX. I'm a bit surprised they let John say goddamn. In the 90s, god+ damn was always censored.
post #6 of 83
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sorry the internet was down for a half day

I'm not gonna remove all bits of humor. Just some that didn't work like the new sunglasses and the talk to the hand bit. I'm still contemplating to remove "RELAX!"

Claire Daines has some good bits in the film, but she just stands there and yells at the machines then runs away. It looks cheesy till she grabs the machine gun.

I guess we'll just see what happens in the edit.
post #7 of 83
I dunno. Good luck to you and all that, but I suspect you're trying to make the proverbial silk purse from a sow's ear.
post #8 of 83
No offense, SAIRUS, but to what end are you doing this? I'm not sure I understand why you would take the effort and time to do a re-edit. If it's for shits and giggles that's fine. Though, I admit to being envious of you having that kind of free time on your hands.

If it's for a demo reel, however, don't do it. It would be seen as a slap in the face for someone to re-do another editor's work. It would be like me adding a new bass line to a Springsteen song or adding new brush strokes to a Picassso. It presumes I know better than the original artist.
post #9 of 83
Why not start off small and just cut out the last twenty minutes from Minority Report?
post #10 of 83
I would like to see a Venom-less edit of "Spider-Man 3".
post #11 of 83
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I would like to see a Venom-less edit of "Spider-Man 3".
Trust me, there's not enough Sandman material in it to even make it worthwhile.

His family was in it like what...4 minutes?

On the brightside, it'd be neat to skip all the crap.
post #12 of 83
Can someone explain the purpose of fan edits? I mean, wouldn't all this effort be better expended by applying it to something original? People discuss what would make a particular movie better all the time (and half the time, they're stupid and wrong anyway), but going to this kind of trouble over it just seems like a big old lack of priorities in life to me. If you actually have pretensions of doing this for real one day, this sort of thing seems like a waste of time.

Plus, how professional can it come off if you don't have your hands on the original sound elements?
post #13 of 83
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Can someone explain the purpose of fan edits? I mean, wouldn't all this effort be better expended by applying it to something original? People discuss what would make a particular movie better all the time (and half the time, they're stupid and wrong anyway), but going to this kind of trouble over it just seems like a big old lack of priorities in life to me. If you actually have pretensions of doing this for real one day, this sort of thing seems like a waste of time.

Plus, how professional can it come off if you don't have your hands on the original sound elements?
Bingo on all of it, Greg.
post #14 of 83
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Plus, how professional can it come off if you don't have your hands on the original sound elements?
That's very true.
post #15 of 83
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Plus, how professional can it come off if you don't have your hands on the original sound elements?

Plus...other fanboys have done this some years ago...
post #16 of 83
T3 is a fun movie. Way better than 2. For your next project, edit out Eddie Furlong- FOREVER!
post #17 of 83
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T3 is a fun movie. Way better than 2. For your next project, edit out Eddie Furlong- FOREVER!
It's funny to see T2 fanboys (and I mean extreme fanboys, I do love T2) pleading for Furlong to be John Connor in T4... you know, the fat schlob that got arrested in my state (Tennessee) for stealing and trying to release lobsters out into the wild.
post #18 of 83
At this point, they should just stick to having a different actor play him in every movie. It's practically an aesthetic by now.
post #19 of 83
Sweet! When will you post it on YouTube? Does anyone know if The Phantom Edit of Episode 1 still exists anywhere online? I've always wanted to see it.
post #20 of 83
So I'm gonna do a SAIRUS post re-edit...

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I've come to accept that Terminator 3 exists, and there is some goodness in the film. Its no where near T2 in terms of quality and epicness.

THE END.
post #21 of 83
There are people that actually really care about Terminator? Also what the hell? My avatar has come back from the future and the reputation system is gone. I also have about 300 less posts. Are we in the pre T3 timeline here or what?
post #22 of 83
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nah I don't plan on becoming an editor, I'm already knee deep in med school.

Heh the original sound elements, well I wouldn't go that far. I'm just re inserting the score and making some snips. I'm also just placing some basic filters to make some scenes look like they're taking place at night to extend the scope of the film.

So far I got the first minute or so locked in pretty well where I'm happy with it. The next 2 minutes is needing some slight tight working. Basically its the entire intro to the T2 theme music. Contiplating making the intro from scratch, and having it look like the first movie, or using John Conners dream as the intro and have the music hit high when the terminator looks at the screen. Cut to him waking up.


Yes this is mostly for shits and giggles. I plan on showing the film on a movie night and see peoples reaction.
post #23 of 83
How are you planning on removing Beltrami's old score from the mix? Are you dropping all audio out in these cases (since you don't have individual vocal, SFX, music trax), just to insert T2's music? Are you using T2's score as a band-aid to smooth over the transition between 2 scenes that use to bookend ones you've cut (otherwise you'll have abrupt cuts/edits in the audio)? I don't get it.

Unless you're just editing some snippets together for a fan trailer or music video for fun (where you can lay over any audio you want), it seems like a futile effort. No offense.
post #24 of 83
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There are people that actually really care about Terminator? Also what the hell? My avatar has come back from the future and the reputation system is gone. I also have about 300 less posts. Are we in the pre T3 timeline here or what?
No, this is Chud: One More Day.
post #25 of 83
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How are you planning on removing Beltrami's old score from the mix? Are you dropping all audio out in these cases (since you don't have individual vocal, SFX, music trax), just to insert T2's music? Are you using T2's score as a band-aid to smooth over the transition between 2 scenes that use to bookend ones you've cut (otherwise you'll have abrupt cuts/edits in the audio)? I don't get it.

Unless you're just editing some snippets together for a fan trailer or music video for fun (where you can lay over any audio you want), it seems like a futile effort. No offense.

Does premier not have audio transitions?
It shouldn't be hard smoothing audio cuts with audio transitions.

Btw, SAIRUS, I re-edited the first 15 minutes of T3 before and have links of them somewhere if you want to take a look and see what I did.
post #26 of 83
I'd love to see an edited Matrix Reloaded. And an edited Matrix Revolutions (my cut would have about forty-five minutes left).
post #27 of 83
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The second I get a mac, I will.
You don't need a Mac for Avid. I have it on my PC.

Oh and I'm gonna have to agree with David about fan edits.

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Its no where near T2 in terms of quality and epicness, but I hope to try to rectify most of those problems.
Sorry, but not even someone like Stuart Baird could save the sonambulic disaster that is T3. The only one who could have rectified those problems was Cameron himself; by saying "yes" back in 1997 when Gale Anne Hurd pleaded with him to buy the rights so that hacks like Mario Kassar couldn't get their hands on the franchise.
post #28 of 83
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No, this is Chud: One More Day.
Uncle Mitch got shot?
post #29 of 83
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I'd love to see an edited Matrix Reloaded. And an edited Matrix Revolutions (my cut would have about forty-five minutes left).
I've been considering this for a few days now. Fucking around with editing programs for those Battletoads videos I posted reignited my love of the process. And I know what I've always wanted to see in a fan edit of this.

I'll keep you posted.
post #30 of 83
All kidding aside, I've been considering a re-edit of The Two Towers/Return of the King, which is sort of ambitious and might prove impossible, and will probably take long enough that I might just lose interest and never complete it.

I just don't think T3 can possibly be made better with a couple little tweaks, and apart from not overwhelmingly liking it, didn't think it was really bad.
post #31 of 83
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I'll be isolating sounds from the film and choping out the score. I'll also may go into the previous films for sound effects, and may look on the net for additional sounds.

I'm not replacing the entire score. Just when its appropriate.

I'll have a video of the first few minutes I've worked on pretty soon. School doesn't like youtube. It has the first 1:30 locked in, but another 1:30 is still very rough. I'm still toying with what to do with the titles.
post #32 of 83
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The second I get a mac, I will.

Get Vegas, then.
post #33 of 83
I've done a few things on Vegas and it's great...and free.
post #34 of 83
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Can someone explain the purpose of fan edits? I mean, wouldn't all this effort be better expended by applying it to something original? People discuss what would make a particular movie better all the time (and half the time, they're stupid and wrong anyway), but going to this kind of trouble over it just seems like a big old lack of priorities in life to me. If you actually have pretensions of doing this for real one day, this sort of thing seems like a waste of time.

Plus, how professional can it come off if you don't have your hands on the original sound elements?
Quoted for truf.
post #35 of 83
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I'll be isolating sounds from the film and choping out the score. I'll also may go into the previous films for sound effects, and may look on the net for additional sounds.

I'm not replacing the entire score. Just when its appropriate.
How? If you don't have the original separated sound elements, there's no way to isolate them from the unified soundtrack. The only thing you can do is lay the new cues over the old ones, and turn them up loud enough to drown out the original music, which will also drown out everything else.

And the other thing that gets to me is this: if you really believe that this film is bad, how is a little amateur re-editing going to fix it? Aren't there things that are more wrong with it than the editing? Like say, the screenplay? Can you fix that in your editing software?

It just seems like literally masturbating would be a more fruitful use of your time.
post #36 of 83
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Can someone explain the purpose of fan edits? I mean, wouldn't all this effort be better expended by applying it to something original? People discuss what would make a particular movie better all the time (and half the time, they're stupid and wrong anyway), but going to this kind of trouble over it just seems like a big old lack of priorities in life to me. If you actually have pretensions of doing this for real one day, this sort of thing seems like a waste of time.

Plus, how professional can it come off if you don't have your hands on the original sound elements?
I always wanted to do a 30-minute cut of Jim Carrey's Grinch (mind you I've never done a fan edit), just to see if it would still suck. So I guess there's this curiosity of what's possible and, for me, something to watch with the family around Christmas time.
post #37 of 83
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Hmm some people really not liking a fan edit.

Umm isolating the sounds, just don't worry about it. Thats my job. God I'm really gotta get a clip up.

I never said the film was bad, just could use a few touch ups to change some things. I'm not trying to change water to wine, just adding a little powdered lemonade.

Spending my time? Look I'm doing a few minutes each day. I study a good bit of the day (med school), so when I take a break, its usually a cig and sometimes I'll render a few seconds. On car rides I can visually imagine the entire film and make what edits I need. Then just go execute them in premiere. Really I spend more time posting here than working on the film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd6fh2kQ6Mk
there are a few tweaks on this video, like more insertion of titles, slowing down of video in some places, but this is a huge step of where its going.
post #38 of 83
So, I assume that everyone taking Sairus to task for bothering to do a re-edit of T3 would similarly scorn the stamp collector or the model builder or the weekend car enthusiast?

Sairus, posting on a message board dedicated to film, has enough interest in movies and the technical process thereof that as a hobby, a lark, whatever, he's going to use some free time to re-edit a movie that he thinks needs work. The temerity!

Oh, and "Relax!" is the very best part of that entire movie.
post #39 of 83
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So, I assume that everyone taking Sairus to task for bothering to do a re-edit of T3 would similarly scorn the stamp collector or the model builder or the weekend car enthusiast?
Not even nearly the same thing.

For one thing, collecting stamps is legal. Re-editing and distributing a film is a copyright violation, and rightfully so. And rebuilding a car that doesn't work is doing something useful. This is more akin to saying "You know, I like this popular painting, but I feel that I could improve it in Photoshop. And when I'm done, I'll post it on the web, so everyone can see how much more clever I am about painting than that painter guy."

If one has a genuine interest in painting, and the ability to express it, then one should paint something. If one does not have the ability, then one should leave painting to the painters, and not muck about with their work. It's one thing to say "This piece of art does not appeal to me", and another entirely to say "I think that I can improve this piece of art". If Sairus honestly believes that he can produce a better film than the one he's monkeying with, then he should do it. From the ground up.
post #40 of 83
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Do you think I would be stupid enough to post the entire film on the net?

Its just getting made, some clips going up, and then I'm keeping the entire thing for me. Its going to get shown at our weekend movie days as a joke to see if anyone will notice.

Do I think I'm better than most professionals in Hollywood, actually yeah because most movies suck these days.

Relax might be staying in.
post #41 of 83
Eh. It's a hobby. I've never done a fan edit, but I used to do AMVs years ago just for the sheer love of the editing process, making a piece of work say what I want it to say. I don't have nearly enough talent or original ideas to make a feature film, and I know better than to distribute an entire re-edited movie as my own work.

I started the Matrix Reloaded one yesterday. I worked for about an hour. I'll post clips of some of the more heavily reedited scenes out of curiosity for the reaction, but primarily, the curiosity I'm working to satisfy is my own.

Personally, a more apt comparison is DJs who make underground remixes. Nobody does a remix because they hated the original song. They do it because they love music, and are curious to see if that song can serve a different purpose/have a different meaning or feeling. I grant that a DJ will work with more original elements than a fan edit, but I feel the intent is the same.
post #42 of 83
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Do I think I'm better than most professionals in Hollywood, actually yeah because most movies suck these days.
Bullshit! I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that this is just a fun hobby but this statement is just arrogant and presumptive and makes me believe you know nothing about the process of making a film.
post #43 of 83
In the case of Spiderman. I was hoping someone could edit all three films into one removing all Tobey Macguire parts.

I like Spiderman, I don't like whiny crybabies.
post #44 of 83
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If one has a genuine interest in painting, and the ability to express it, then one should paint something.
AHA! I have you now. I see people all the time in the Smithsonian with their pads and pencils and charcoal, taking sketches and making copies and trying out techniques from the pretty drawings on the walls. Maybe they (and Sairus, I don't know) are working on their craft to pick up skills they can use in original expression. Or maybe they are just doing it as a lark - they like the pretty pictures and want to see if they can draw the Mona Lisa with a bigger smile.

PERSONALLY I want to write my own stuff and don't spend time rewriting The Phantom Menace so that it actually resembles Star Wars, but that's a personal choice. As long as they aren't ripping off the creator wholesale (not sure that an individual wouldn't have artistic license to post their interpretation of an existing work on the web so I won't argue there) I don't see why fan edits aren't at least a legitimate hobby.
post #45 of 83
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Look if I'm coming off arrogant, the whole Heath Ledger thing threw me for a screw. Let alone, yes its just a hobby. I do think though that I do have some skill in the area of editing and shooting, but I guess I would have to show it to you first hand.

You don't know me in person, thus you haven't seen any work, thus be careful making an assumption. I've done some work for people, so its not like I've never done anything.

This thread was meant to talk about what worked and what didn't work in the film, not bash the craft.
post #46 of 83
I don't see the big deal. If the guy thinks he can improve that cheesy turd of a movie called T3....more power to him. I thought the comedy scenes were shit (as the decision to film all those daylight scenes). Also Marco Beltrami's scores always put me to sleep, so I'm definitely interested to see your results.
post #47 of 83
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I've done some work for people, so its not like I've never done anything.
Did you "am to do it damn professionally, in such that the film has to look completely like a professional did it"?

Sorry dude, but if you want to talk about T3, go talk about it in the T3 thread. If you want to annouce your new Terminator Restoration Project be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
post #48 of 83
I apologize if I was abrupt before but let me put this in a way that might make sense to you. Just because I know how to use a scalpel that doesn't make me a surgeon. Just because you know how to use software doesn't make you an editor.

I have no doubt that you have some skill with a cutting software but I run across two or three people every month who think they are editors (sound or picture) because they know which tool does what in their edit window. But I ask about the psychology of sound, diegetic versus non-diegetic, the concept of 'blinking eye' cutting or even about basics like continuity cuts and they look at me blankly. That's what makes an editor. Anything else and you're a cutter.

I'm glad you have fun doing what you're doing. Keep it up. Show it off to your friends and have a giggle. But please don't think you are better at it then Nicholas Del Toth or Neil Travis, the guys who got paid to edit T3. Or better then Jonathan Mostow, they guy who had the vision that guided them.
post #49 of 83
At least we now know that T3 improves if it has the Terminator theme in it.
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At least we now know that T3 improves if it has the Terminator theme in it.
I haven't tested it, but this is likely also true of Judge Dredd, Wild Hogs and White Chicks.
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