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post #51 of 98
1/24/08 at 9:55pm
Redbelt could actually be cool. I love Mamet. I've never seen the one with Mirko.
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post #52 of 98
1/24/08 at 11:24pm
How 'bout this Bas Rutten Classic?
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post #53 of 98
1/24/08 at 11:26pm
Don Frye vs. Godzilla!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399102/
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post #54 of 98
1/25/08 at 1:22am
Thread Starter 
HunterRose--

Do you have some inside scoop on the movie? Mamet is so unpredictable, and he's obviously obsessed with BJJ. Plus, the strangeness of any movie that would have Ricky Jay, Ray Mancini and Tim Allen in it kind of makes my head spin. It would be a kick to see Dan Inosanto in a movie again (I've stopped waiting for Sharkey's Machine II). But, to be honest, the potential suck factor looks pretty high.
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post #55 of 98
1/25/08 at 2:26am
If you like your MMA big and sloppy, have I got a fight for you:

Saturday, February 16th on Showtime's EliteXC:

Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott


Oh, the carnage.
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post #56 of 98
1/25/08 at 2:52am
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All you need is Butterbean, and it's perfect.
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post #57 of 98
1/25/08 at 3:10am
Kimbo gets a break then I see.
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post #58 of 98
1/25/08 at 2:52pm
Kimbo is the modern-day Tank. Only it looks like he's taking this MMA thing a little more seriously. Tank will do his usual thing and mentally quit if he doesn't get the KO in the first 20 seconds. Should be an interesting train wreck.

On a side note, here's a pretty funny article by Jake Rossen at Sherdog: The 10 Greatest Post-Fight Meltdowns.
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post #59 of 98
1/25/08 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by Sherdog
After winning a high-risk fight against Sean Sherk (Pictures), welterweight contender Georges St. Pierre (Pictures) performed his usual post-bout routine of break-dancing, a cultural sensation that recently hit Canada.
Hahaha, zing! Wait..
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post #60 of 98
1/25/08 at 3:05pm
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Hahaha, zing! Wait..
Rossen is great and completely unappreciated by most of Sherdog's predominantly 14 year-old Internet Tough Guy readership.
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post #61 of 98
1/25/08 at 3:14pm
Rossen is the best thing about Sherdog's "journalists". I feel sorry for him actually, to be a peer alongside the likes of Mike Sloan. God that guy is awful.
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post #62 of 98
1/25/08 at 3:23pm
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Thanks JVC--too funny. Coleman and Tito were great.
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post #63 of 98
1/28/08 at 9:05pm
The UFC was trying to put together a Frankie Edgar-Takanori Gomi fight. But the deal with Gomi and the UFC fell through.

Too Bad. That would have been an amazing fight. I would love to see how Edgar would do against a great LW striker and how Gomi would do against a great wrestler with a huge gas tank.

Randy Couture is picking Tim Sylvia to beat Nog by stoppage. Link.

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“I think it’s going to be a good fight,” Couture said. “I’m a fan of the sport first and foremost. I think it’s an interesting match-up. Nogueira’s strength tends to be on the ground and in the submission game, and Tim is just a long, strong, hard-to-take-down guy who’s got great striking abilities. It’s a classic match-up and for the interim title, so they both have a lot on the line.

“I like Tim’s chances in that fight given Nogueira’s performance against Heath Herring in the last fight. I like Sylvia in a stoppage of some kind.“
Randy picked Gonzaga over Cro Cop. Then again, he also picked Babalu over Chuck. With Sylvia and Nog, I have a hard time seeing a guy who lacks a killer instinct and whose last 4 fights went the full distance stopping a guy who has never been stopped in 35 fights against some of the best HWs in the world.
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post #64 of 98
1/28/08 at 9:12pm
Total bummer about the Gomi deal, was looking foward to seeing him more.
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post #65 of 98
1/28/08 at 9:52pm
I'm guessing Brock Lesnar is off the juice now:

THEN:




NOW:



Looks like his lost his traps and got a penis tattooed on his chest. Not a good trade.
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post #66 of 98
1/28/08 at 10:04pm
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I wonder what the conversation was like when Lesnar finished getting his tat. Did he stand up, check it out in the mirror, hit a few poses and slip the guy a couple of bills?

"Dude--that's f*ckin' excellent!"

Honestly, I can't believe that he didn't just reach across and throttle him. If I had to go through the rest of my life with that thing pointing at my chin, I'd be desolate.
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post #67 of 98
1/29/08 at 1:20am
I'm very dissapointed about the Gomi deal falling through. He's one of my favorite fighters. He's beaten good wrestlers before in guys like Kawajiri and Ishida. Gomi is a very good wrestler himself, he does have trouble in submission defense. When he lost to Diaz he actually took Diaz down and Diaz got the sub off his back. When Aurelio subbed him he got him to the ground when Gomi missed a haymaker and put himself in bad postion & offbalance. I'm not saying he's got insane takedown D like GSP or Penn but he isn't easy to take down either. I'd pick Gomi keeping the fight standing and eventually landing a haymaker. Maybe Gomi will eventually sign with the UFC and we'll found out. For now I'm just torturing myself thinking about it.

I'm pumped for 81. My picks on the fights I'm looking forward to the most:

Nog
Mir
Marquardt
Griffin
Martin

Martin/Eastman is going to be a slugfest, hopefully we get to see it since it's on the undercard. The Griffin/Tibau fight is also listed as a prelim but I doubt we won't see that one. They only have 4 fights listed so I'm thinking they made a mistake and probably should have listed the Griffin fight as the swing-bout.
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post #68 of 98
1/29/08 at 9:08am
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I'd really like to see Horn beat Marquardt in UFC 81. He might be on the home stretch of his career, but I'm hoping that he has another good fight left.

For those of you with a high-speed connection at home and nothing better to do with your time, Rio Fights are on again tonight. I haven't watched it lately, but the production level is just about zero, and there is something disturbing about the way the whole thing operates. But I'll still try to catch some of it.

http://www.toughsportslive.com/?page...6page%3DrhHome
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post #69 of 98
1/29/08 at 12:11pm
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For those of you with a high-speed connection at home and nothing better to do with your time
Sounds like I'm in!
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post #70 of 98
1/29/08 at 9:07pm
It looks like they are starting to leak fighter names for the upcoming season of The Ultimate Fighter: Luke Zachrich Tapped for "The Ultimate Fighter 7"

Luke is legit. My step-brother is one of his really good friends. I got to watch him fight cageside at an event last Summer. He's a beast with pretty good grappling and submission skills. I don't know that he's really been tested yet against UFC-level competition. It'll be cool to see how he stacks up to the other guys in the house.
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post #71 of 98
1/29/08 at 10:53pm
Jesus christ, what happened in that last Rio Heroes fight? The guy got slammed onto his neck.. next thing you know the fight is over, the guy is spasming on the floor, and when they stand him up there's a huge puddle of vomit on the ground.

Just wow.
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post #72 of 98
1/30/08 at 1:09am
Thread Starter 
ARGH! I'm stuck at work and didn't see anything. I'll have to check it out tomorrow if it's still up.
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post #73 of 98
1/30/08 at 2:32am
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog View Post
HunterRose--

Do you have some inside scoop on the movie? Mamet is so unpredictable, and he's obviously obsessed with BJJ. Plus, the strangeness of any movie that would have Ricky Jay, Ray Mancini and Tim Allen in it kind of makes my head spin. It would be a kick to see Dan Inosanto in a movie again (I've stopped waiting for Sharkey's Machine II). But, to be honest, the potential suck factor looks pretty high.
I somehow missed this before.

No, I don't have any scoop on it. I love Mamet too, but Tim Allen?? So weird. When I see someone like Mamet attached to a martial arts flick, and then that cast, I can't help but feel like Mamet thinks he's going to be 'slumming' or 'having fun' and he's inviting his friends along for the ride.

Also the plot from IMDB: A fateful event leads to a job in the film business for top mixed-martial arts instructor Mike Terry (Ejiofor). Though his(sic) refuses to participate in prize bouts, circumstances conspire to force him to consider entering such a competition.

 If this is real, I'm guessing Mamet is a super gigantic fan of the TV show Kung Fu, and this is his modernized, Hollywood version of it. In any case "Forced to fight" is a tired martial arts movie device.
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post #74 of 98
1/30/08 at 10:01am
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As far as Redbelt goes, I'm hoping that we at least get some great Mamet dialog out of it. Stylized, rapid fire banter in offices, soundstages...dojos. Of course, it could get very strange. I suddenly had a vision of Joe Mantegna and Dan Inosanto shouting obscenities back and forth at one another.

It's Allen that's the big sticking point for me. I will concede that he can play comedy with some shading, but a classic Allen buffoon at the center of the film sounds terrible. Allen holds a very personally creepy place in my heart, and I can imagine him completely ruining this. I guess that we'll see as the April 25th release date closes in on us.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what to do about the fight this weekend. Mrs. Nid Hog has left a stack of recent satellite bills laying around with not-so-subtle annotations ("WHAT IS THIS FOR???") under the pay-per-view charges. Watching this one at the sports bar down the street might be in the cards. I just hate to have to cozy up to the increasingly creepy MMA fanbase (or admit to myself that I'm part of it).
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post #75 of 98
1/30/08 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog View Post
Mrs. Nid Hog has left a stack of recent satellite bills laying around with not-so-subtle annotations ("WHAT IS THIS FOR???") under the pay-per-view charges. Watching this one at the sports bar down the street might be in the cards. I just hate to have to cozy up to the increasingly creepy MMA fanbase (or admit to myself that I'm part of it).

Hilarious!

I agree with the MMA fan base embarassment. It's disgusting. That's why I discuss MMA online almost entirely here on CHUD, as opposed to Sherdog or mma.tv where I was a member since '99. I can't stand the place anymore.
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post #76 of 98
1/30/08 at 4:25pm
Sherdog sucks ass. Once in a while I'll post on mmaweekly but I prefer to talk MMA here(at least in the messageboard world, I speak about it quite frequently with my brother and a few friends).
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post #77 of 98
1/31/08 at 4:34pm
Here's the UFC 81 lineup with my picks in bold:

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Tim Sylvia
Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir
Nathan Marquardt vs. Jeremy Horn
Tyson Griffin vs. Gleison Tibau
Ricardo Almeida vs. Rob Yundt

Preliminary Bouts (subject to change):
Terry Martin vs. Marvin Eastman
Keita Nakamura vs. Rob Emerson
Chris Lytle vs. Kyle Bradley
David Heath vs. Tim Boetsch

Sylvia by Decision
Mir by Sub, Rd 2
Marquardt by Decision
Griffin by Decision
Almeida by Sub, Rd 1
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post #78 of 98
1/31/08 at 4:52pm
Thread Starter 
I like your picks, and I realize that as much as I'd like to see Horn win, I'm not going to put any money on him to do it.

What about Mir winning in the standup? Think there's any chance of him taking it without going to the ground (or maybe after finishing a round under Lesnar)?
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post #79 of 98
1/31/08 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog View Post
I like your picks, and I realize that as much as I'd like to see Horn win, I'm not going to put any money on him to do it.

What about Mir winning in the standup? Think there's any chance of him taking it without going to the ground (or maybe after finishing a round under Lesnar)?
I think Mir will have the advantage on the feet. He's got some decent boxing skills, pretty heavy hands, and he won't be too worried about takedowns. He could really hurt Lesnar if Lesnar decides to trade. But he went for a takedown almost immediately against Min Soo Kim (the only fight of his we really have to go on). He will probably try to do the same here.
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post #80 of 98
1/31/08 at 9:20pm
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I just watched the Min Soo Kim fight on YouTube. Not much to go on, is it. I have to give Kim credit for lasting as long as he did in the mount--or else his nose was stuck in Lesnar's abdominal muscles. I read on Sherdog or somewhere that Mir has been training with huge grapplers (nice to hear that they're getting some post-college work), so I hope it pays off.
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post #81 of 98
1/31/08 at 9:40pm
My picks (or the ones I'm bothering with), for better or worse:

Tim Sylvia vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira via round 2 submission
Frank Mir vs Brock Lesnar via round 1 submission
Jeremy Horn vs Nate Marquardt via round 2 submission
Marvin Eastman vs Terry Martin via round 1 (t)KO

Luckily, I never bet money.. so the only thing on the line is my reputation, and that's good as garbage anyway!
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post #82 of 98
2/1/08 at 2:03am
Mine in bold

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Tim Sylvia
Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir
Nathan Marquardt vs. Jeremy Horn
Tyson Griffin vs. Gleison Tibau
Ricardo Almeida vs. Rob Yundt

Preliminary Bouts (subject to change):
Terry Martin vs. Marvin Eastman
Keita Nakamura vs. Rob Emerson
Chris Lytle vs. Kyle Bradley
David Heath vs. Tim Boetsch


I cant help but think: Lesnar will take Mir down, and Mir will sub him from his very dangerous guard.

And, I think Sylvia will sprawl and jab a dec victory.
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post #83 of 98
2/1/08 at 8:36am
Thread Starter 
My picks are in bold:

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Tim Sylvia
Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir
Nathan Marquardt vs. Jeremy Horn
Tyson Griffin vs. Gleison Tibau
Ricardo Almeida vs. Rob Yundt

Preliminary Bouts (subject to change):
Terry Martin vs. Marvin Eastman
Keita Nakamura vs. Rob Emerson
Chris Lytle vs. Kyle Bradley
David Heath vs. Tim Boetsch

Nog by submission in the 2nd
Mir by TKO in the 1st [clock him in the standup, beat him on the ground]
Horn by submission in the 2nd
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post #84 of 98
2/1/08 at 2:00pm
Rumor of Chuck vs. Shogun in June. Not sure how reliable this is though.
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post #85 of 98
2/1/08 at 6:38pm
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Tim Sylvia
Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir
Nathan Marquardt vs. Jeremy Horn
Tyson Griffin vs. Gleison Tibau
Ricardo Almeida vs. Rob Yundt

Preliminary Bouts:
Terry Martin vs. Marvin Eastman
Keita Nakamura vs. Rob Emerson
Chris Lytle vs. Kyle Bradley
David Heath vs. Tim Boetsch
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post #86 of 98
2/1/08 at 7:56pm
To tell you the truth, I'm a little surprised no on is picking Lesnar. If he can survive a full round or so, Mir is going to get tired. Who knows how good his sub defense is, but I'm guessing he can power his way out of a few sub attempts. I still think Mir will catch him, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
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post #87 of 98
2/1/08 at 8:00pm
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To tell you the truth, I'm a little surprised no on is picking Lesnar. If he can survive a full round or so, Mir is going to get tired. Who knows how good his sub defense is, but I'm guessing he can power his way out of a few sub attempts. I still think Mir will catch him, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
I really want to. I think it could be THE upset of the night. But everytime I want to get in Lesnar's corner all I can see is Tim Sylvia's arm snapping. I also think I've got the Pro Wrestling bias working on me too, even though a NCAA wrestling title is impressive.
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post #88 of 98
2/1/08 at 8:30pm
As much as I'd like to pick Lesnar, I'm too realistic, Mir is not a rookie. And Tim Sylvia all the way, I have a hard time seeing Nogueria taking him out, Sylvia will neutralize him like hes done to so many other fighters.
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post #89 of 98
2/1/08 at 8:43pm
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I still think Mir will catch him, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
Too late!


I put money on Mir, Sylvia, Horn and Eastman.
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post #90 of 98
2/1/08 at 8:54pm
Thread Starter 
More on Chuck v. Rua:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=11107
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post #91 of 98
2/1/08 at 9:15pm
YES.

I really hope Shogun goes into this fight 200%. I mean, he's absolutely destroyed the guy who's given Chuck the most problems lately (Quinton), what do you guys figure his chances are against ol' Iceman?

June just became the month to watch for.
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post #92 of 98
2/1/08 at 10:56pm
Thread Starter 
Slightly off topic but...

Have any of you guys been to a UFC event live? A couple of my buddies and I have been talking about taking a weekend and catching one of the fights somewhere later this spring. I used to go to fights in smaller venues a lot, but I've never been to a UFC/Pride type promotion. Any advice?
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post #93 of 98
2/2/08 at 5:27am
I've been to one, and I've been a cornerman for other mma events. I went to UFC 5o something - where Quarry was KO'd by Rich Franklin. Here's my take on UFC live:

1) Unless you are in like, rows 6-10, your view isn't so good and even if you are in those rows, nothing compares to the camera perspectives. I spent most my time turning my head to look at the big screens to see the cameras and I was in $300 seats.

2) The crowd sucks. So many people are drunk. Fights break out, the seats are uncomfortable. There was a guy screaming about how Kevin Jordan had no right being in the ring because he was a "N*gger" and the crowd was mostly white.

3) You hear no commentary from Joe or Goldie. Some people may like this.

In contrast, cornering and witnessing amateur mma events is a total rush. You see everything close up, it's usually a puncher's ring so the action is fast, and the crowd isn't so drunk, they are usually more hardcore mma fans and totally focused on the fight.

It's like the difference between rednecks at a bar and rednecks at a strip club. In a bar, they are drunk and maybe looking for trouble, in a strip club, they are totally mesmerized by the entertainment.
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post #94 of 98
2/2/08 at 10:17am
Mir looked like he was in really good shape at the weigh-ins so maybe his conditioning won't be an issue.

I'm sure this was answered in the old thread, but could someone explain to me how the weigh-ins work. Martin and another fighter weighed in a pound over their weight classes. When I was a high school wrestler I'd still have to cut that pound. But at the pay-per-view you'll still see fighters at a half pount to pound over (in the tale of the tape) After the official weigh-in I'm aware that fighters will gain a whole lot of weight back and will be well over their weight class. I know its just a pound at the weigh-in, but still. What's the deal?
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post #95 of 98
2/2/08 at 5:50pm
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Mir looked like he was in really good shape at the weigh-ins so maybe his conditioning won't be an issue.

I'm sure this was answered in the old thread, but could someone explain to me how the weigh-ins work. Martin and another fighter weighed in a pound over their weight classes. When I was a high school wrestler I'd still have to cut that pound. But at the pay-per-view you'll still see fighters at a half pount to pound over (in the tale of the tape) After the official weigh-in I'm aware that fighters will gain a whole lot of weight back and will be well over their weight class. I know its just a pound at the weigh-in, but still. What's the deal?
For non-title fights, they give you an extra pound.
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post #96 of 98
2/2/08 at 7:29pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HunterRose View Post
In contrast, cornering and witnessing amateur mma events is a total rush. You see everything close up, it's usually a puncher's ring so the action is fast, and the crowd isn't so drunk, they are usually more hardcore mma fans and totally focused on the fight.

It's like the difference between rednecks at a bar and rednecks at a strip club. In a bar, they are drunk and maybe looking for trouble, in a strip club, they are totally mesmerized by the entertainment.
I agree about the amateur events. I used to go to lots of club fights and small venue events when I lived in Chicago, and it was fantastic. Everybody was totally into it. The largest promotion that I saw live was the Ironheart Crown, when Stephan Bonnar won big for the first time. It still wasn't in a very large place--an auditorium out in Hammond, Indiana--and everybody there came for the fights (well, to be fair, there were a lot of girls in the audience who looked like the were on the clock).

From what I can see and hear of UFC audiences, they're just a bunch of drunk loudmouths. I can't imagine that they're still yelling and booing when a fight goes to the ground. I'd hate to shell out the money for a plane ticket to Las Vegas, a hotel and a ticket and then be pissed off. It's like you get a free UFC ticket if you buy three WWE tickets (come on Chewers--only kidding). Maybe It would be more fun if my buds and I just got together somewhere to watch the fight on a big screen.
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post #97 of 98
2/3/08 at 3:28pm
Dude - just save your money and go to a show in Japan! THAT would be awesome. Something at Saitama Super Arena or Tokyo Dome. Man, I wish.

Decent UFC last night. My picks were 50/50. I put down $40 and made $6. haha.

I think 6 more months of training, and Brock would have won that match.

I've never been so happy to lose money with Tim/Nog though. That was great. Nog is the UFC champ! Man that's kick ass.

I was really disappointed in Horn. He was JUST starting to maybe turn it around, and then he dug his head in too deep.
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post #98 of 98
2/3/08 at 3:35pm
I'm not trying to be THAT guy, but the old MMA thread was resurrected last night.
We should decide where to go from here, before too many posts get split between the two.

The original thread is here: http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85198

I agree with you Hunter, I was really impressed with Lesnar. He defended the arm bar attempts great, which I think helped set up the kneebar.
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