Sarah Connor Chronicles Redux

I liked the ep last night. I think you're misreading Sarah's comment about the blackberry. She made a smart ass comment about the numbers to the effect that "if I push 7 of them, will it still call someone?" implying that's all she needed it to do.

Also, I wonder what happened to the terminator's ability to perfectly mimic a teenager as demonstrated in the first episode. She seems to fluctuate between acting more human-like than previous models, and then being completely robotic when it serves the story.

Old thread or new thread, Series still sucks!

I couldn't even stand one episode and I like this Sci stuff. The series is all kinds of stupid rolled up and smoked.

On a certain level I miss that Cavemen show.

I can't believe they got Preparation H Raymond to guest star as the scientist. Amazing.

The First 2 episodes of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles were great, but not last nights.

While I still think it was good overall, I have to admit I fought the urge to grab the remote and switch channels when it looked like John and the terminator were veering into Veronica Mars territory with the door graffiti and suicide plot. It was a long way to go to make a point they hammered home more than once already.

Summer Glau's Cameron keeps reminding me of Summer Glau's River character from Firefly. Not in a good way.

EDIT: Hey! Look! My old avatar and quote and stuff! Ah, the good old days...

It's certainly not the worst thing on television right now.

My take on the graffiti plot is that it is going to continue. There really was no resolution as to who was doing it or why. My guess is that the person doing it is either going to try it against John or Cameron.

Maybe Cameron fried her emotion chip in the time jump because, yes, there is a huge difference in her ability to adapt from the pilot to where she is now. I suppose it could be explained away as she's now in bodyguard mode but there is a noticable difference. Her assimilation into high school plot is the one plot that I'm not looking forward to watching.

Certainly not. Compared to genre buddies like Heroes (which sucks ass but I still feel like there's potential there) or Painkiller Jane (I know it's finished, but it was a name that popped up in my head), it's awesome. I like it OK so far, and I'll keep watching.

Agreed. That scene alone has me coming back for at least one more episode.

That's how I know I should stop watching. I'm not slammin' you or anything Fleed, I'm just saying I deleted my TiVo timer about 10 minutes into that second one. God, that show's a chore to watch.

The high school stuff was all terrible. I get it, they change things from the pilot, but the difference from normal teenage Cameron to LOL TERMINATOR IN HIGH SCHOOL is annoying.

I hope they're not making Sarah a pussy. Crazy Sarah would have capped Andy the second she saw he had a GIANT FUCKING AI COMPUTER

I actually liked The Sarah Connor Chronicles so far. Summer and Lena are always a delight to watch (Though I think Lena's Sarah is a lot less of a Hard Ass than Linda's was). Interesting to watch though.

Good job, Sarah, you burned his house down. There's no way he could ever, ever build another A.I. unit, right? Right?
So stupid. T2 Sarah would have wasted him without a second thought. Of course, if she does that, the series becomes about her serial killing computer nerds worldwide.

There's also a slim possibility she didn't burn it down. There was a strike team member hanging around the house who could have also done the job. She could have been on her way to kill him and she saw the house burning and figured there was no need after that destruction of the computer.

I'm dumb. What was the deal with the suicidal chick? There's stuff on the classroom doors and everyone's staring at it and she's all broken up about it. What else?

Are we sure Sarah wasn't just playing dumb to the cellphone salesmen? Haven't we seen her use a cellphone before?

That was it. She was banging a teacher, and someone decided to be avant-garde about exposing her. It just felt really bizarre and out of place, and I have no idea if they're actually going to go somewhere with it, or if that was it.

It was definitely a joke. He was describing all the crazy things you can do with cell phones, when she just wanted to make calls.

Is John trying to look gayer each episode?

And are they trying to save some budget by using the Cylon Cgi models from Battlestar?

Well, I watched Monday's episode last night as I had been busy the last couple of days (Jericho Marathon) and I'm not sure if it was because I was dead tired or what, but I kept falling asleep through it. Not a good sign.

I believe the Blackberry (or Treo) scene was her trying to joke but at the same time being serious as lets face it, if you hadn't seen one before and some guy was telling you all of its features and those features were words you've never heard of you'd probably play it off like "it still just calls right?" at least that's how I saw it in my dazed dozing off state.

Over all, meh. It made sense though, we picture Sarah as a badass do anything yada yada kinda girl, but has she ever really killed anyone not machine before? In T1 or T2? I'm almost positive she hasn't. So it fits with the story elements. Also, kinda intrigued by the growing of skin on the Terminator and I guess we're left assuming this scientist guy wasn't relevant to the future but I bet one of the names he mentioned is, and will be referenced later on. ... also.. I kinda think Miles Dyson is alive. Why else would they have a different actor playing him from the original, unaired pilot to the first episode last week? (I got curious about the differences).

Wait, what? I haven't seen T2 in years, but wasn't he blowed up real good? How--and why--would he still be alive? I mean, I'm presuming that T2 is canon, while T3 is not.

If you don't connect the series to the flicks, it's kinda watchable. Sure, it still is horrible with poor writing, mostly bad acting and amateur special fx, but it's somehow not a complete waste of time. I try to think of it as a cute indie production, nothing serious.

It'll be interesting to see how far they'll get; Nielsen ratings state that Terminator already lost 10m of their 18m pilot viewers.

The actress and son from the unaired pilot are the same but the actor who plays dyson is different from the picture they show (the family picture that the FBI guy shows at the police station)... there are only one reason for this, they plan to have him in one of the 9 episodes remaining.

I will say however, it could be a flashback that he appears in... so, I could be wrong about him being alive but definitly we will see Dyson in the next 9 episodes.

I just assumed since they dont have the same wife and kid they didnt want to go to the trouble of photoshopping Henry from Eureka into a family photo. Plus to have him even in a picture wouldnt they be required to pay him royalties or something? Also, since obviously Sarah and John look drastically different from their movie counterparts I dont see how you can read too deeply into Dyson looking different too.

I envision you furiously clicking in the spot where the reputation icon used to be, screaming in a sad voice ... "WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!???????"

This series is pretty good. I'll continue to watch. My main, problem that's already been mentioned, Cammeron. IS she trying to be more human or not.
Also, if you reference the movies you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out the timelines. All the questions i've asked myself about John's dad, Skynet being built, and how many freakin terminators are they going to send back through time to kill Sarah and/or John.??!!!

And about this episode, why would the Terminator need to seek out a scientist to give him prosthetic skin if he's there just to kill John?? Who cares what he looks like, is there really a need for him to blend in with society?

Infiltration.

Sure. You can go balls in about it and get FUCKED UP since EVERYONE can see you coming. OR you can blend in, retrieve information more effectively, sneak up on your targets, and BLAM take them by surprise.

Hey it took me two years to reach the 350 post plateau and my rep was getting repectable....What happened.

I was more confused as to why he'd need someone else to do the science for him if he'd just written down the formula himself, it seems he would have been able to do it himself if he wanted.

Well, the whole scientific formula had me a little baffled as well. But i'm still tryingto figure out how the hell he was able to travel through the time portal if in the Terminator universe nothing metal can go through, as we were told by Kyle Reese in Terminator 1 and also why you must be naked on "the other side".

Bodies produce a electro-handwavey field that lets human bodies go through. Clothes are dead. Apparently that ignores hair.

And Sarah beats the shit out of that guy that licks her in T2. And threatens to inject Silberman? After breaking his arm.

Seriously, I hope John gets pissed off and actually does some hardass shit. At this point, I'd be surprised if he could inspire a puppy to storm the wire.

Oh, and from dialogue, it seems at least somewhat implied that John knew how to fight beforehand. "But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk." -Reese (T1)

If he's teaching them to fight, then it seems like he must have been pretty badass beforehand.

It doesn't necessarily follow that he's talking about "fighting" in the hand-to-hand, martial arts sense. From the context of that dialogue, it seems like Reese is saying that John taught humanity not to be complacent, not to accept their fates in the internment camps, but to rise up and fight. In that sense, John taught them to fight.

Side thought: why do the machines have "camps" anyways? Isn't their goal the elimination of humanity?

True. But, I was thinking more of guerrilla-esque fighting with guns and stuff. Kind of like how even in T3 John could make those explosives.

Probably more efficient to create camps and do some type of mass murder thing. Like furnaces or something. It's not without historical precedent.

Well, that's the thing. He needs to develop as a character. Not everyone can start out as greatness. In fact, it would be kind of boring if he was freakin' Captain America as a teenager. I can accept that he started as a whiny little douche.

However, I don't know if the show is going to have the time, or even the intention, to actually make him someone that could be this great military leader.

They seem to kind of be going that way though. I'm doing that arm thing on the guy that could have been his step-dad. His questions about the Turk. Him being pissed off that he couldn't help that girl. It's developing, but he's still way too much of a "whiny little bitch" right now.

"Trained with guns while living with Enrique" sounds like "Wrestling with Uncle Herb" to me.

Remember, his mom is super over protective and won't let him any where near danger. Sure he's been trained to use guns, but so far he hasn't been given a gun to use.

He's proven that he has badassery left in him. First episode he went back and tried to save his mom, dispite the fact she was being kept captive by a terminator. Second episode he snuck out to see his mom's ex-fiance and broke into his house. In the last episode he tried to run up the stairs to save the girl and was stopped by Cameron. It looks like he's got a buncha bad assery in him but everyone's holding him back to prevent him from being hurt so he could lead mankind.

John Connor nearly got killed, twice, by terminators from the future. The first found his mother in a club. The second found him on the streets. The third found him in fucking school. Now what do you do if your son experiences assassination attempts on a regular basis, due to being too much "in the grid"? You send him back to school? FUCK WHAT? Risking the most important man of the future for having him learn algebra?

Yeah, right.

That's what pisses me off most. The series could easily have shoddy fx and a complete alt. continuation of T2, if only they stuck to the first movies. Making Sarah BADASS. Not only cautious and sweaty, this girl should be able to kick major ass, like Ripley. John doesn't need to be the same, but he should mature real fast.

And he's got the best Realdoll ever.

I think the only reason he was in school because they believed the threat to be over. When the jumped in time, they got new IDs, so they thought, oh what they hey?

Cameron is fucking hot.
Coming out of the blood bath was awesome.

I thought maybe he didn't go through time, but was hanging around for a the better part of the decade before seeking out the scientist and restarting his search. It still doesn't make sense how he knew what year John Conner and co. jumped to or why he couldn't develop the fake skin himself and pluck out any old body's eyes. I know the purpose of the scene was to show the whole science run amok...curiosity without considering the consequence(they even restated the Oppenheimer quote). But you have to ignore the plot holes for the point to come across.

That's the problem with the show, it's entertaining enough, but there are gaps in logic which keeps it from being considered a good show.

Also, I realize the sarah conner is hot, but I'd still be uncomfortable standing so close to my naked mother after jumping through time.

I wanted a Terminator TV show following the basic Half Life 2 vain. Evil enemies herding down beat and broken humans in camps, slowly killing them off etc, only to have the lone warrior rise to the challenge and spark the resistance.

That's such an awesome idea. I truly believe the only reason they didn't do that is the AVP effect. Grocery stores and high schools are cheaper and easier for lazy set designers to set up.

I agree. It's nothing to take too seriously, but I've been entertained by the first couple of episodes. And if there's less than 10 episodes left, I'd be interested to see where they take it...

Holy shit. Maybe it won't make it to show all the episodes.

I always thought that was a cool little rule, but didn't explain why they didn't put some of that 'skin' over a supercool laser weapon and bring it through time with them...

It would've made more sense if he didn't go through time, but his head clearly went through the portal (or whatever) to 2007. His body was in a junkyard, and it would've been more logical to see it put itself together ala Iron Giant from 99 to 07. Possibly with a musical montage!

God I love the multi-quote!

I'm guessing the explosion destroyed the bank leaving only rubble whixh was shoulved up and dump somewhere. If there was a search it would be for body parts, which, as they declaired Sara Conner dead, they never found. So the dsestruction would have been pretty total.

Come on, everyone knows that a headless body, be it robot, zombie, or skeleton, will seek out the head which it was removed from. The hand, on the other hand, always seeks out the body.