Sarah Connor Chronicles Redux - Page 2

I always did wonder how did the head go through?

Why do I feel there will be a character named James and Cameron who will be too far away in terms of distance so this exchange:
Sarah: James, Cameron, come back!

Holy crap. It's the famous Jett Jackson.

And, a new terminator. And building soldiers in the past? Smart idea. Ignoring the movies, I am getting into this. Personally, it's getting better.

Just wait until Arnold, Schwartz, and Leon, who's black and is called by a bad word, show up.

So John actually makes a choice, defying his mother, and actually does something good. He's becoming something of what his future self should be I guess.

And, Brian Austin Green.

This show's not spectacular, but it is doing a bit better job than some people give it credit for... Is it that hard to believe that the robot's head could control its body remotely, or that the body might have other ways of navigating other than eyes? The terminator couldn't create its own skin because it couldn't get all the materials it needed - the scientist could. It took his eyes because he was dead anyway. The Terminators don't go running around as full-blown machines tearing everything apart because they DON'T want to alter the timeline any more than they have to to kill John Connor. If a skinless robot rampages through LA, leaving hundreds dead, it won't matter if John Connor lives, Skynet will likely never be allowed to come into existence.

Of course that brings up a massive plot hole that dates back to T2... if you can send a friendly Terminator back to save John Connor, why not just have it run around skinless causing mayhem, with a giant Skynet sticker on it? Skynet may want the future mostly intact, but the humans should want to change as much as possible, since their future blows.

The lesson: don't spend too much time thinking about anything with the Terminator label on it!

I keep expecting this to take a turn for the better, instead of just putting a different riff on everything that's already been done. To go in a direction I didn't expect. Yesterday's episode started off pretty boring, but the second half added a nice idea to the mix, that some Terminators are around solely to help prepare for the future.

The humans win, though -- that's why Skynet keeps sending Terminators back. It's also why the twist of John getting killed in Terminator 3's future is so cool. They delayed Judgment Day a few years, and in doing so, they may have seriously fucked over humanity's chances of winning the war.

As for Sarah Connor Chronicles, I'm getting into it. It's not great or anything, but I'm intrigued enough. It's easier to like if I forget the movies.

Yeah, I posted that before she mentioned it. I thought they might be working on the whole army building thing. Heck, stick a bunch of chips into a fat terminator, and you could get a bunch of processors.

damn that plastic surgeon was pretty good at his job!

And fast.

But hey, we get Dillahunt. Too bad it's in a crappy tv show.

I do like the fact that nearly every scene in that episode took place in a warehouse. About three different ones, but warehouses nonetheless.

Still, I kind of like it so far, but I could do without the lame FBI side stories.

That last episode was a bit better. Still flawed, but I'll hang on for the remaining 2-3 eps until cancellation.

I dug this weeks episode. I wonder if the Army terminator wasn't underneath the truck when they broke out. Also, it raised a good question. How long are terminators good for on a single charge? If that guy had to go into Stand-by mode to last until after judgement day?

I forget, is that the stated reason? He accomplished his mission when he initially went to stand by mode, why stay completely online? Wasn't he basically on guard in that warehouse until Judgement Day? If something goes down, he wakes up.

I doubt he was under the truck. If he was, I think he would have made a move before the end of the episode.

You know, this show is still way better than it should be. I'm beginning to think I'm just having a subliminal reaction to the (well-done) reuse of original Terminator music (completely de-synthed).

You say potato...

I can't help but think that the writers actually say "most people who watch this aren't going to question that." It's got some good ideas, but really, where can the show go? There doesn't seem to be any possible resolution that happen without cancelling out the series. What if the ratings were so huge they ran this show for 5 years? Could they stretch out the same story over and over, without watering down the time-continuity-issues until the holes in the logic are bigger than ever. That's basically what they're doing.

Oh yeah, my own personal stupid idea spoiler: I bet the FBI guy is a CPU-damaged Terminator. Wouldn't put it past them.

Wtf with the FBI guy??


What i hate about the show is that apparently there are hundreds of terminators living at the same time doing shit for the future.
One per week. And that's just retarded.

I agree, but every episodic TV show that's not a cop or hospital drama faces this problem. Sure, the Terminator franchise has immensely more continuity baggage, but many successful shows had have difficulty stretching arcs to accommodate extended runs.


And my stupid spoiler prediction: Cameron is based on John's future wife/girlfriend.
I have no idea how that will be worked in, it's just a hunch.

Prison Break had a big shift in structure for Season 2 and it still lasted past that. Quality aside, shows have changed when continuity brings them down that path. Same could be true for Terminator.

I liked that scene with Cameron and Charile's brother. Losties are all over this show.

I still feel like Cameron is supposed to be some sort of different type of Terminator. Like one created by Humans or something instead of just reprogrammed by them. Though she seems to not understand human emotions she still seems pretty able to read them(like concluding the counselor was up to no good with Jordan) which no other Terminator appears to have been able to do. Also, in the pilot the Terminator that scanned Cameron was unable to identify her model, which youd think they would be able to do.

So John was hanging with some military guys in the jungle when he was like eight? Jeez, why isn't he badass yet?

And, is it just me or did Sarah not look like she was really doing those pullups?

Back in the day, a Terminator would've just drove a truck into that prison to get that Reese brother and shot all the guards in his way.

Good point, while I dont think Kyle's brother would have neccessarily had to have anything to do with building Cameron(just because John is a military leader AND a computer genius does mean all his lieutenants would be the same)he should have at least recognized her as a good guy. He did recognize her as a terminator seeing as he called her a metal bitch the first time he saw her but apparently was left out of the loop on her being good.

Its hard to say when in the future each of these objects came from in relation to one another so figuring out who should know about what becomes nearly impossible. Its an entertaining show but thats about the most annoying aspect of it. For all we know Cameron is from a future ten or twenty years after Reese but since they were both sent back to the same time it makes it difficult to establish a timeline since, rather bizarrely, nobody ever talks about exactly when they come from. Cameron remains vague on her background and niether John or Sarah seem concerned enough to ask for any hard details.

What about when she came back? And the exact circumstances. Cameron mentions that the Resistance was there to meet up with them and that Reese's orders weren't to kill Andy. So why exactly does she operate like she knows the advance team fairly in detail, but Reese doesn't even recognize her? Operational security means that they can't know each other's identities? That doesn't seem likely.

Because she's from further in the future than he is, would be my guess.

Oof. So glad I bailed on that show. Even a comparison to something I'm watching hurts me.

I'm still enjoying the show, it's weaving its storylines together pretty well now. I really liked the twists and turns of hoping the nice guy's "TERK" AI would lose, then after it does, he's killed anyway. Looks like his russian partner sabotaged the chess match so he could take the AI for his own.

I also really like the angst/drama of having Sarah's ex brought back by John to help save John's uncle. I was wondering how they'd merge that thread, and they did it well. You have to think he and/or Penny from LOST are gonna get wasted before long. The scene with the terminator who was also creepy whore-killer on Deadwood had some nice tension in it.

I'm entertained.

Though I know I'm asking questions that I shouldn't, since the writers of this show seem to be oblivious to some obvious continuity errors, but shouldn't Cameron know if "The Turk" turns into Skynet? Speculation on what becomes Skynet and what doesn't is kind of like if I went to the past to prevent 9/11 and had no idea who Osama Bin Laden was. Sure, other people may be involved, but missing the big key seems pretty silly.

I think you could say a lot of the information was destroyed during Judgement Day. I can't imagine that in a world where humans are held in camps and the world is rule by AI, they are going to find a lot of time to research the pre-Judgement Day world to find Skynet's origin. One would think that Skynet itself might not want the information available what with the time travel technology available.

I'm pretty sure when John went to his house, the ex did mention that he looked the same. So, yes, they'll have to address it in some way otherwise they are just overlooking something much to large.

Well, it's been pretty much established that the TV show picks and chooses what it wants from the movie. It's been said before that if you are expecting it to stay true to the movies you will be disappointed. I really don't have a problem with them not knowing how Skynet was created. It is the premise of the show - destroying Skynet before it was created, so, hey, let's blow the premise because of something that happened in the movie.

When one of the Terminatiors scanned her Cameron registered as unknown and he bailed. Not sure if that means the humans builr her or was built much later than the current Terminators.

But it doesnt have to mean Cameron is more advanced to be recognized as unknown, just different. If you showed me a car only sold in Europe I probably wouldnt recognize it, but I also wouldnt just assume it was more advanced because Id never seen it before.

Technically, Cameron could be more advanced. Even ignoring the timeline issues of her simply being from later in the future.

Remember in the DC of Terminator 2, Skynet intentionally set limitations on the terminators they send back. The T800 had its processor set to read/write or whatever by Sarah and John.

Human built terminators might not have that limitation.

You guys haven't realized it yet have you?

Cameron is built in the past by the same guys that built the time machine in the bank vault. Later we'll meet up with her "father", the guy who built her!

Her info about the future has been put in her CPU by the same guy and she probably doesn't realize it herself.

Surprised no one has mentioned the FBI agent finding the severed robotic arm (covered in human flesh!). Surely that has to get him questioning some things, what with the fake blood and all...

She's not from the past. She said she was built at that warehouse in future in the last episode. She even indicated where in the room.

The reason Skynet could not be stopped can be because the only way to stop Skynet is to send someone from the future. No one wanted to stop Skynet in the timeline that Skynet unleashed a nuclear holocaust and Skynet needs to exist in order to inspire someone (or Skynet itself) to create a time machine in order to send someone back to stop it (or in the case of Skynet better prepare itself). The real defeat of the machines is in the future, it could never be stopped. Like the Time Macine with Guy Pearce....

[edit]Didn't they say in the movies that Skynet created the time machine? So really you can't send a human to the past to stop Skynet, because Skynet built the device that allows you to send someone back. It would be a paradox.[/edit]

That's a bad analogy. Bin Laden is a financier. He didn't mastermind the plot, and he didn't commit the act. Considering Skynet was a military backed project (meaning specific info would be restricted), that Skynet most likely targeted military insallations, that nuclear blasts kill electronic equipment and burn paper there is no guarantee that any databases or physical records would remain to let survivors in the future know who exactly was fundamental in creating Skynet, and that it seems likely Skynet would have some period after the launch with no real human resistance to wipe out any specific compromising info about itself so people couldn't easily render an off switch. They'd probably have to rely on survivors who have unspecific pieces of information to piece it together. The one thing they would all know for sure is when the world ended.

I for one am going with Cameron being the visage of John's dead kid.

edit: I acknowledge that the show has no interest in maintaining any sort of logical consistency.

All she said was that she was made in 2027. The specific date she mentions is April 19, 2011, when Skynet goes online, two days later triggers the holocaust.

Yeah I thought that was an excellent "cliffhanger". I can't wait to se where they'll go with that.

Maybe we'll see Sarah's ex and the FBI guy band up with the Connors and Cameron at some point.

Well I don't buy that. That is just her "memory". Her CPU could very well be from some future destroyed robot which was brought back to the past where they then built the rest of her. Or some similar shit like that.

The reason I think this is because of some old interview I read a long time ago, where someone on the the production said something along the lines of "All Terminators aren't necessarily from the future". I have looked and looked for it but can't find it, but ever since we first met Cameron I have been thinking that she's from the past.

Who knows for sure, this is the kind of show that'll completely rewrite itself over and over.

There is not a big chance of it, but what if this show is still running when T4 is coming to theaters? Then it could get real complicated!

Anyone have some ratings numbers?