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post #14751 of 20016
10/9/08 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Jesse Custer View Post
Humility in Victory: Obama/Biden '08!
This.

I've never been one of those "IN YOUR FACE" kind of asshole "winners", but it seems to me (completely anecdotally) that many conservatives only give a shit about rubbing a percieved 'liberal's' face in the muck. In other words, they don't care what they represent, or what they gain or lose, only that they get to "punish" liberals in some manner.
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post #14752 of 20016
10/9/08 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I think after a Bush presidency and in the case of a McCain loss, you'll see the party wanting to get some "real conservatives" and make a disastrous turn further to the right.
So, after the guy to McCain's left wins, the party moves further to the right?

Where does a Republican party that moves further to the right even go? At what point does it stop being distinguishable from naked fascism? And then what? The marriage of religious extremists and fiscal conservatives is total lunacy and it needs to end now. Kick the Christians out of the damn party, or abandon it to them and start over or co-opt an existing party. Conservatives, true conservatives, for the love of Lady Liberty stop treating our homegrown Christian Taliban like they're anything other than exactly that.
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post #14753 of 20016
10/9/08 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Nordling
I know who I'd like to shove in a three foot hole.
Aww, I don't know. I think Snaieke is kind of adorable when he's trying to make a bad joke.

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Originally Posted by JonStrickland View Post
I'm still not an "ends justify the means" kind of guy. I think that philosophy is dangerous.
The end had better justify the means. If it doesn't, something is wrong with either your end or your means. Because if the end does not justify the means, what does?
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post #14754 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Bobby Jindal. Oh please oh please let it be Bobby Jindal.
*gag*
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post #14755 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
That conservative, who was being compared to Ronald Reagan this moring by Joe Scarborough, is Sarah Palin. That is the disaster waiting to happen.
It's just like in Basketball. Everyone said x or y was the next Michael Jordan. It wasn't that anyone really thought x or y was great, we just really really missed seeing Michael Jordan in action.
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post #14756 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
That conservative, who was being compared to Ronald Reagan this moring by Joe Scarborough, is Sarah Palin. That is the disaster waiting to happen.
Yup.

McCain in my view was a way for them to move away from that, if only he had stayed with the people running his campaign in 2000 (like Murphy).
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post #14757 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by reggie-wanker View Post
So, after the guy to McCain's left wins, the party moves further to the right?

Where does a Republican party that moves further to the right even go? At what point does it stop being distinguishable from naked fascism? And then what? The marriage of religious extremists and fiscal conservatives is total lunacy and it needs to end now. Kick the Christians out of the damn party, or abandon it to them and start over or co-opt an existing party. Conservatives, true conservatives, for the love of Lady Liberty stop treating our homegrown Christian Taliban like they're anything other than exactly that.
I think some of you don't realize, how McCain pissed off many in his party with the whole campaign finance reform bill. That's when the talk radio thugs like Limbaugh really got fed up with McCain, they've never forgiven him for that. They claimed that bill muzzled Republicans because then people would only get information from the "left wing media".

Then you have the whole deal with the immigration bill. McCain was working with Kennedy of all people in that one, and nothing pisses off the worse of the "base" than illegal immigration. Snaikeye is a perfect example, illegal immigrants are a great excuse to blame all of societies problems. Disease, health care cost, and now apparently even the freaking mortgage crisis.

I know many of you see McCain as some right wing nut, but the truth is he's not really representative of that part of the party. So when you say, "who far to the right can they go", it really means you don't really know some of these people very well. You should.
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post #14758 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Do the Republicans have any "young" guns? Guys that'll be under 50 in 2012 like Obama is and like Clinton was when he ran? 'Cause I don't think the old white guy thing is going to play too well anymore.
George P. Bush.

Maybe not in 2012, but someday. The thought of it scares the shit out of me.
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post #14759 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
That conservative, who was being compared to Ronald Reagan this moring by Joe Scarborough, is Sarah Palin. That is the disaster waiting to happen.
That seems apt. Reagan was a clueless disaster, too.
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post #14760 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I know many of you see McCain as some right wing nut, but the truth is he's not really representative of that part of the party.
Yeah, all we have to go by are his campaign, his debates, his ads, and his running mate.
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post #14761 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:14pm
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Obama purchases half hour of primetime on CBS, also in talks with FOX, NBC... DEVELOPING
Game over man. President Obama.

I've been saying that's what McCain needed to do forever... At least I'll win the bets I made earlier in the year... provided these people still have money after the market crashe.s
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post #14762 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:15pm
As far as young guns in the Republican party, I think Jindall and Palin are front runners. If it weren't for that damned Constitution we have, then I would say Schwarzenegger would have been pushed hard THIS year.

While not a young gun by any means, there's talk of Newt Gingrich mulling over a run in '12 as well. So with that lineup, I think we have a clear landslide for '12 if Obama gets it this time.
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post #14763 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Caption this;
I'm gonna play the opposition like a HARP FROM HELL waughwaughwaugh
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post #14764 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:19pm
I don't see Palin on the national front. She'll be eaten by her own kind.

Then again, no one ever went broke underestimating blah blah blah...
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post #14765 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
I don't see Palin on the national front. She'll be eaten by her own kind.

Then again, no one ever went broke underestimating blah blah blah...
The worst non-Palin nominee will devour her whole on stage. Tommy Thompson will slap her around.
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post #14766 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Caption this;
"... five dollar foot looooooooongs..."
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post #14767 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by Louris View Post
The worst non-Palin nominee will devour her whole on stage. Tommy Thompson will slap her around.
Provided she doesn't get the VP position next, I think she'll probably take Ted Steven's seat in the Senate, get some gravitas there, and run for president again. If we do see her on the national stage again, I'll assume she won't be the persona we're seeing this time around.
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post #14768 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by Nibblonian View Post
The end had better justify the means. If it doesn't, something is wrong with either your end or your means. Because if the end does not justify the means, what does?
I think you misunderstand the idiom here. Or you misunderstand what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that you can't allow yourself to go to any lengths to achieve your goal just because you think your goal is worthwhile. . . i.e., the end justifies the means. If you do that, you cheapen the goal in the first place, you undermine your position and your credibility, and you stand a good chance at following that same philosophy in other pursuits. You might win the battle, but you'll lose the war (to torture another metaphor).

Right now, Obama's campaign is, for the most part, not falling victim to the "end justifies the means" philosophy. If it was, it would be using every dirty trick in the book to win. After all, winning is what's important, right? What's the big deal in ignoring truth or decency if it means a win? Well, it'd mean putting yourself in the position to fail further down the road, when it matters even more.
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post #14769 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:29pm
Well said, Jon.
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post #14770 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
Provided she doesn't get the VP position next, I think she'll probably take Ted Steven's seat in the Senate, get some gravitas there, and run for president again. If we do see her on the national stage again, I'll assume she won't be the persona we're seeing this time around.
She can't not be the persona we're seeing this time around. She can cover it up for brief stretches, but four years in the senate won't change the fact that she has zero intellectual curiosity and is at best a mediocre mind. Say what you will about George W Bush, the guy at least seemed to have an interest in politics. Palin, not so much.
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post #14771 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:36pm
The Mayor of Atlanta presides over more people than the Governor of Alaska.
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post #14772 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:36pm
The thing I've liked most about the Obama campaign so far is that it has had one philosophy and it has stuck with that philosophy the whole campaign. Part of the reason it has obviously is that it won them Iowa, and then got them ahead in February and they haven't hardly been trailing since.

Still, when Palin got picked and everyone was freaking out, the campaign just kept an even keel. And they avoided picking the obviously political beneficial VP of Hillary Clinton and instead chosen to do most everything on their own terms.

If Barack Obama does manage to win the presidency, I don't see him owing a lot of huge favors and many new congress people and senators having gotten in behind him. It would put him in a very good position for trying to get his goals accomplished.
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post #14773 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Game over man. President Obama.

I've been saying that's what McCain needed to do forever... At least I'll win the bets I made earlier in the year... provided these people still have money after the market crashe.s
http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/obama-primetime.html

Also, I don't think people have thanked Obama and McCain enough for pumping hundreds of millions of dollars in to the television, radio and sign making industries.
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post #14774 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:37pm
I'll lay money we never hear from Palin again after this. Her own party sees her as a political stunt; she's got nothing else to give. She might weasel into the Senate, but she'll never see another convention with her name one it. Maybe in 20 years she'll make some headlines by insulting the first black GOP candidate.
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post #14775 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:38pm
I don't know, even if they don't win, Palin would be a great 'paid her political dues'-type narrative and if she came back clearly well versed in all the policy and positions she needs to manage the primary she'd be a very strong candidate for the party.
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post #14776 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:40pm
Palin's a puppet. A barely intelligible puppet. She'll be remembered as a punchline, not a "political dues" story.
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post #14777 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:42pm
Greg, your avatar is killing me.
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post #14778 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:44pm
Joe Scarborough = Face Palm. He's a mean sonofabitch, and I think he wants to angrily face fuck both Sarah Palin and Mika Brzezinski.

In other McCain gaffes, according to Yahoo News, he has lost scientists over his "Planetarium" remark.
I didn't even know there was a "science voting block", but leave it to McCain to offend them!

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The logo for Senator John McCain's campaign has a star in the middle. I wonder what his guide star is? It can't be the same one that ten million children have seen at the Adler Planetarium. Why should anyone want their star to dim? Senator McCain needs to reconsider his dismissal of "planetariums and other such foolishness," or he is likely to be seen as the Scrooge of modern science.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl78
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post #14779 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/obama-primetime.html

Also, I don't think people have thanked Obama and McCain enough for pumping hundreds of millions of dollars in to the television, radio and sign making industries.
I remember when Ross Perot did that in '92. I would be surprised if McCain doesn't follow suit. It's a good idea and October 29th is a good day to do it.
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post #14780 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:48pm
"I bet that overhead projector never displayed any images of JESUS!!!!"
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post #14781 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:52pm
Scientists didn't leave McCain when he put Palin on the ticket?
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post #14782 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
"I bet that overhead projector never displayed any images of JESUS!!!!"
They did use it for a Pink Floyd laser light show though.
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post #14783 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:54pm
How much would a buy like that cost for Obama? Could McCain afford to match him?

And yeah, unless something really big happens, this election is over.
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post #14784 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
I remember when Ross Perot did that in '92. I would be surprised if McCain doesn't follow suit. It's a good idea and October 29th is a good day to do it.
I'd be interested to know what that cost and if McCain can put together the scratch. He already has to run ads in states where he shouldn't have to run ads (Indiana, North Carolina)... can he afford a national prime time spot and sacrifice targeted ads?
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post #14785 of 20016
10/9/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by dontEATnachos View Post
They did use it for a Pink Floyd laser light show though.
Which, let's face it, is as close as many of us will ever get to heaven.
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post #14786 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
I'd be interested to know what that cost and if McCain can put together the scratch. He already has to run ads in states where he shouldn't have to run ads (Indiana, North Carolina)... can he afford a national prime time spot and sacrifice targeted ads?
I don't think McCain can fill up 30 minutes of airtime with what he'd want to do for the country. It would be fun to have gossip church lady voice over person do a mega 30 minute anti Obama ad though. My guess is that next week McCain is just going to start calling Obama the "n" word. Why the hell not?
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post #14787 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
It's just like in Basketball. Everyone said x or y was the next Michael Jordan. It wasn't that anyone really thought x or y was great, we just really really missed seeing Michael Jordan in action.
You're an idiot through and through.
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post #14788 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
unless something really big happens, this election is over.
I think we've seen that the McCain campaign, guided by Rove protege Steve Schmidt (sp?), is willing to create big events in hopes of influencing the election.

With luck, any attempts to do so will fall as flat as his campaign 'suspension'.
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post #14789 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:12pm
The only people who miss Reagan are a. idiots and b. Nancy.

That Snaieke would say something like that makes me laugh when Iconsider how bent out of shape he gets about the "credit card" nature of Government fiscal policy.
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post #14790 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:13pm
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post #14791 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
How much would a buy like that cost for Obama? Could McCain afford to match him?

And yeah, unless something really big happens, this election is over.
OK, the election being over, we still have to make it to the inauguration in one piece. There's two months where everything could completely fly off the rails. I hope that most of November and all of December are incredibly, incredibly boring months. I hope to be bored to tears of joy.
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post #14792 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:23pm
even though I will vote for obama(and I kinda think its a empty gesture as it were)...I have become so jaded and cynical to the american political system that anything short of revolution...nothing is ever really going to change..

Republicans and Democrates are just two sides that feed the same goddamn mouth...

Ya know what, I am just getting angry in writing this..because I have personally seen and been effected by the american political system..and it just feels so goddamn hopeless..
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post #14793 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by flindip View Post
Republicans and Democrates are just two sides that feed the same goddamn mouth...
Sorry, but bullshit. My brother tries to pull this "both sides are the same" crap on me to justify not voting. It's ignorant, and it's just plain wrong. Leaving aside whether I think one side is right and the other wrong, there are plain ideological separations between the two. Is there plenty of corruption on both sides? Of course. But to say that it all turns out the same is simply incorrect.
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post #14794 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
Bobby Jindal. Oh please oh please let it be Bobby Jindal.

The Republicans will be too scared to vote for an Indian for President. He lost the first time he ran for Governor and only won on his second try because Louisiana was coming off of four years of having professional dumbfuck Kathleen Blanco (who, despite being a Democrat, should easily accept as much blame for Hurricane Katrina as Bush does) in charge. Also, he had like four other people running against him which split the opposition vote.
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post #14795 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Caption this;
"Flaccid."
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post #14796 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:40pm
States' Actions to Block Voters Appear Illegal

Someone needs to sue the ever-loving fuck out of those responsible for this. It's the only way to even begin to address this problem.
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post #14797 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by myk View Post
I'd be interested to know what that cost and if McCain can put together the scratch. He already has to run ads in states where he shouldn't have to run ads (Indiana, North Carolina)... can he afford a national prime time spot and sacrifice targeted ads?
The RNC has been holding back about $100,000,000 in funds for quite some time. Get ready for a "Shock and Awe" type of character assassination barrage from the Republicans during the last two weeks of the election. The entire Obama campaign is anticipating it.
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post #14798 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:47pm
Yeah, but the RNC can't drop that kind of money bomb on the Presidential race when it looks like there's going to be serious losses in the House and Senate, and the public ire is directly pointed at them. Better to save it for 2 or 4 more years.
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post #14799 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:49pm
I can't believe that even they would be dumb enough to blow that kind of cash on a losing battle. They must know what their odds are at this point.
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post #14800 of 20016
10/9/08 at 6:51pm
How many swift boat-style attack ads does a hundred million dollars buy?

That's just a staggeringly absurd number to have in "reserve".
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