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Life on Mars (BBC Original)

post #1 of 25
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I'll be buggered if I can find the original thread on this, search function rejects Jean and Simm and I really don't want to trawl through the dozens of pages to find a thread which in all probability doesn't exist.

Finally managed to get a hold of Season 2 (I'm two episodes away from finishing it) and I still wonder how this awesome, quirky, little show is going to fit into an American Enviroment for it's US remake. What makes the show work is that it uses the setting as a narrative device, the only real moments of nostalgia come through when Sam Tyler goes completely loco, so having the US be like That 70s Show would probably break the one thing the show does well.
post #2 of 25
Is the entire series just the two seasons? It's not available in the US yet, but they have a Series 1 & 2 box available on Amazon.uk (for over $80).
post #3 of 25
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Just the two seasons, 16 episodes in total.

It's well worth it though, it's an awesome, awesome, show.
post #4 of 25
Yes, it was just two seasons. BBC America just wrapped up showing it last week, I believe. Although I'm sure it was edited down as the run time on UK TV was over 50 minutes a show.

Great series if you can find it.

I'm a bit concerned with the US remake. I really like the UK standard of short runs, with a definitive story arc in those runs. It produced some quality TV. The US system doesn't seem to allow for a completed story to be told as too much depends on the whims of the network. I would hope they follow the 12 episode short run. Maybe something good will come out of the strike with Networks having completes runs of shows before airing a sigle episode.
post #5 of 25
Great Show. Just watched the last episode. Great stuff. Just like with Jekyll, wish some shows on the BBC had longer runs. I will watch the Americanized version-should be interesting
post #6 of 25
I thought the U.S. remake of this was canned after the Pilot episode?
Life on Mars is one of my favourite things ever, I remember breathing a sigh of relief when I read the Yankee version had been aborted but that could have been a dream maybe. A wonderful, happy dream.
post #7 of 25
They haven't shot the Pilot in the US yet, it has Cheif Obrien from Star Trek as Gene Hunt, so it should be good.

Life on Mars sequal begins airing mid-Feb in the UK by-the-way. It's called Ashes to Ashes.
post #8 of 25
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Saw the trailers for that after Torchwood, looked quite good.
post #9 of 25
Who's coming back in the UK sequel?
post #10 of 25
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Who's coming back in the UK sequel?
Just Hunt from the looks of things, it's set in the mid 80s.
post #11 of 25
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Just Hunt from the looks of things, it's set in the mid 80s.

Gene, Ray & Chris are all back for A2A. Ray has an awesome perm, by the way. I don't know if you've read up about it much, but apparently it's a young female officer (she's in the police psychology dept, I think) who wakes up in the 80's after an accident, to find herself teamed up with Gene, Ray & Chris. Apparently the link is made from her having been sorting through Sam Tyler's records and journals of his experiences just before her accident.

And Tieman, buy it. It's worth every single penny. 16 of the best hours of TV you'll ever watch in your life, I swear. At the very least, you'll adopt the line "<do whatever action applicable>, or I'll come around your house and stamp on all your toys, got it? Good kids>". Hell, it only took Sam two episodes before he found himself saying it.
post #12 of 25
A sequel? Set in the 80? Sounds interesting. Good to hear that some familier faces are back. BBC America is becoming my favorite network. Can't wait for it to go HD (at least in my area) next year. Oh.. and no one says "Basterd" better than Gene Hunt.
post #13 of 25
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A sequel? Set in the 80? Sounds interesting. Good to hear that some familier faces are back. BBC America is becoming my favorite network. Can't wait for it to go HD (at least in my area) next year. Oh.. and no one says "Basterd" better than Gene Hunt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL7-2Mtkj4Q

There ya go. The promo ad for Ashes To Ashes that aired after Torchwood on the Beeb this week, apparently.

And Johnny . . . you mean as in, "Don't move! You're surrounded by armed bastards!"? I will readily admit to that being my phone's message alert tone.

EDIT: If you want a much, much trippier (and extended) trailer for A2A . . . check this shit out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enn6z...eature=related

Looks freakish, but at certain points I can't help but picture Flight Of The Conchords' Jermaine saying "I'm David Bowie" . . .
post #14 of 25
Watched one and a half seasons of Life On Mars, but gave up about halfway through the second season. And my guess is that an American remake would probably surpass the original. It's exactly the type of show that the Americans have down to a science so please, somebody, explain to me what part of this show the remake couldn't match or potentially better? The "cases" were generally laughable, and the overall arc was pretty much non-existent - unless you count 5 seconds of some creepy girl on a television to be an arc.
post #15 of 25
What do you mean Americans have this kind of thing down to an exact science? Examples? I have yet to see an American remake of any british property that was superior. The Office is the only thing that comes even remotely close.
Life of Mars isn't just some shitty sci fi/police drama, most of the episodes involved some level of Fredian/Jungian phsycology behind them, almost like the whole show is exploring the mind set 70's english culture using Sam Tyler as a modern reference point to show how we have developed emotionally and intellectually and also to some extent, how we have failed to develop. American television is generally flat and pretty much all on the surface, so outside making a few "arent the 70's hilarious" kind of gags I really don't see them acing this one.
Also it's pointless dissing the arc of the show if you didn't watch the final episode and I disagree strongly with the Tylers Arc. if you think the bulk of it was carried out through the girl on the tv then you were not paying attention. Sorry.
post #16 of 25
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American television is generally flat and pretty much all on the surface, so outside making a few "arent the 70's hilarious" kind of gags I really don't see them acing this one.
Well if that's your opinion of American genre fare, then I'm afraid there's not much I can say to convince you...
post #17 of 25
Thats weak sauce Quarant and I would have expected better from you. What current genre stuff is out there at the moment that you can say has this stuff down to an "exact science" that can compare to Life on Mars exactly? Outisde of Battlestar Galactica, which is the best thing ever, I dont see anything out there at the moment that is so brilliant that one would expect and adaptation of this property will be a piece of piss. Fuck they couldn't even get Flash Gordon done properly.
Also; what have the Americans ever adapated from a british source that ended up resulting in a superior property? Ever?
post #18 of 25
Whoa..just saw the trailer for Ashes to Ashes (thanks NZ!). Its whats-her-name from Spooks/MI-5 (Im too lazy to look up her name). Seeing Gene Hunt on a boat like that..with that tie..almost dare I say Miami Vice-esqu?

As for British to US imports..werent there,ironically, a ton in the 70s ..Sanford & son, Threes Company, All in the Family..more recently Friends. But those were comedies. An apples (comedy) vs orange (drama) comparison. Suddenly.. I feel very old
post #19 of 25
Well, I am pissed off. I don't have BBC America, but I was able to watch Series 1 On Demand. Now, they just started showing Series 2, and they skipped the first 3 episodes. Cocksuckers.
post #20 of 25
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Thats weak sauce Quarant and I would have expected better from you. What current genre stuff is out there at the moment that you can say has this stuff down to an "exact science" that can compare to Life on Mars exactly? Outisde of Battlestar Galactica, which is the best thing ever, I dont see anything out there at the moment that is so brilliant that one would expect and adaptation of this property will be a piece of piss. Fuck they couldn't even get Flash Gordon done properly.
Also; what have the Americans ever adapated from a british source that ended up resulting in a superior property? Ever?
Sorry about the initial, dismissive, response. It was 1 in the morning, and I was tired. Anyway, when I said Americans have this down to an exact science, I wasn't refering to remakes but to wacky episodic genre stuff - Lost, BG, Pushing Daisies etc... Even Journeyman does the man out of time thing - not quite in the same manner, but it does it fucking well. LOM isn't The Office, Fawlty Towers or even Cracker - shows whose greatness relied on the singular talents of those involved. Yeah, Gene Hunt is awesome, probably the best part of the show, but I doubt he's irreplaceable.

Also, I'm in no position to argue the show's Jungian or Freudian implications, but I can tell that I found the stories themselves to be pretty fucking weak and far too easily concluded. I thought the concept was incredible, and felt let down by the execution.

And as far as a remake being nothing but "That 70's Show" type of observations, I really doubt David E. Kelley (who's taken on the remake) would go that route.
post #21 of 25
I'm not going to argue the individual cases in each particular show, as I wasn't watching a police procedural show and if you were I can undrestand your disappointment with the show.

It was a character driven show. When it come to cop shows US audence live in the hour where characters stay the same and they rely one that. No ongoing drama, no loose ends, everything tied up in the neat hour long show and when's it's done they can be happy there's another on next week.

There really isn't much like it. The premise was whether this was all in Sam's head or not. It challenged the audience in that in the end everything they watched and cared about might have been a figment of Sam's imagination. I can see where some would never get past that initial idea and I'm pretty sure which side the American version would fall.
post #22 of 25
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Sorry about the initial, dismissive, response. It was 1 in the morning, and I was tired. Anyway, when I said Americans have this down to an exact science, I wasn't refering to remakes but to wacky episodic genre stuff - Lost, BG, Pushing Daisies etc... Even Journeyman does the man out of time thing - not quite in the same manner, but it does it fucking well. LOM isn't The Office, Fawlty Towers or even Cracker - shows whose greatness relied on the singular talents of those involved. Yeah, Gene Hunt is awesome, probably the best part of the show, but I doubt he's irreplaceable.

Also, I'm in no position to argue the show's Jungian or Freudian implications, but I can tell that I found the stories themselves to be pretty fucking weak and far too easily concluded. I thought the concept was incredible, and felt let down by the execution.

And as far as a remake being nothing but "That 70's Show" type of observations, I really doubt David E. Kelley (who's taken on the remake) would go that route.
That really surprises me, man. I actually found the cast of LoM to be one of the greatest things about the show. Each character was well drawn and vividly imagined, in my opinion. Ray Carling and Annie Cartwright, in particular, were such strong support characters with their own motivations, story arcs, just really well-rounded, I thought.

For me personally, it more than just Gene's never-ending quotability. The interaction between all characters made it a great viewing experience for me, as well as the way they went about creating an air of believability amongst the everyday aspects of an unbelievable concept. Annie, for example, is not the conventionally (ie - TV-wise) attractive female lead/love interest, but she's certainly no slapper, either. And in that final scene in the last episode, where she smiles at Sam outside the pub, her entire face lights up, she's stunningly gorgeous, and you know exactly why Sam feels the way he does about her. She's obtainable, and that's her greatest strength when put against someone like, say, Jaime Murray.

The other thing that really struck me about how they made the world seem so believable was the subtlety of the 70's representation. Apart from a few tracks, the majority of the music used was not a "The Greatest Hits Of The 70's" compilation, which is where alot of shows would fall down. If you used every major hit of the era, it makes it very obvious that you're referencing the era too much, but just playing the songs that were on rotation at the time doesn't stand up and yell "IT'S THE 70'S, GET IT?!" . . . you just soaked it all in.

I'm not saying that a US remake wouldn't be good. I'm sure with the right people involved, they could do a great job. But I've always wondered where the point is in remaking a show that is, essentially, perfect? It's all personal opinion, of course. Why not try to take something that didn't quite work the first time around and improve upon it if possible? I mean, there's a reason they remade '3:10 To Yuma', not 'The Good, The Bad & The Ugly', right?

As i said, it's just personal opinion and nothing more . . . but I reckon if it ain't broke (and that show certainly wasn't broke in any way), then don't try to fix it.
post #23 of 25
Just saw the first six episodes this past weekend. I quite enjoyed it and thought Mr Simms was alot of fun. At times though a few episodes seemed to sort of wind up being just more of a regular cop show than a sci fi fish out of water thing. Some episodes Simms seemed like he forgot he was in the 70s.

Disc 4 should arrive today though so I will keep you updated
post #24 of 25

I finally managed to watch this series through to the end--I'd had trouble getting hold of S2--and while it's a good, fun show, I've heard people proclaim it to be the greatest TV show ever, something that it manifestly is not. In fact, I found the ending to be kind of disappointing on several levels. On the extras, the show's makers talk about how they'd planned to end S2 with a cliffhanger and then wrap the series up with a special, the way British shows sometimes do, and I really think they should have stuck to their guns there. The final episode seems incredibly rushed and small-scale. I really, really think they needed to end with [SPOILERS]

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Sam walking into the light, then done a special with him spending more time in the real world/the present/the imaginary future/whatever the hell that was. The incredibly perfunctory feeling of the 2006 scenes was no doubt intentional, to make it feel kind of "wrong", but it means that we don't deal with lots of nagging issues and ideas that the show has been building up to. I mean, the serial killer aspect was just completely dropped, for Pete's sake. And the time travel element was also abandoned, which was probably the most disappointing aspect to me, especially after the S2 premiere seemed to promise that they were going to deal with that in greater depth.

 

I'm also sort of baffled by what the creators were trying to say--the most logical way to read it is as a real downer of a statement about the seductive nature of giving into your emotions, and retreating into an unhealthy fantasy world. That's pretty cool and dark, but I really don't get the sense that that's what they intended. If they actually meant Sam's return to 1973 to be a good thing, then the show becomes a bizarre celebration of police brutality and corruption, combined with the kind of "yay for feelings!" bullshit that I've become heartily sick of in movies and TV.

 

Don't mean to rag on the show so hard, but I really do feel they dropped the ball to an extent. I liked it a lot more than Evi, apparently, but I agree with some of his points, particularly the fact that the "arcs" on this show were a non-starter.

post #25 of 25
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They actually expand on the finale of Life on Mars in it's sequel show Ashes to Ashes. The third season of that in particular deals with exactly what the 1970 was and who Gene Hunt actually is. From what I can tell there was supposed to be a third season of Life on Mars which dealt with all that stuff, but Simm wouldn't sign up for it so they expanded the concept into Ashes to Ashes. 

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