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post #1 of 100
1/31/08 at 4:00am
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Can't find the old thread, so start anew?

Jason Kidd going to Dallas? Shenanigans!
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post #2 of 100
2/1/08 at 6:27pm
Im sure someone will resurrect the old thread, but I just had to continue to express my shock and excitement as a life long laker fan...

PAU GASOL IS A LAKER...and kwame brown isn't!
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post #3 of 100
2/1/08 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by Fazer View Post
Im sure someone will resurrect the old thread, but I just had to continue to express my shock and excitement as a life long laker fan...

PAU GASOL IS A LAKER...and kwame brown isn't!
Kwame Brown ain't shit. Pau Gasol, now I think the Lakers are scary. BTW, how'd you enjoy the loss last night? Heh Heh.
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post #4 of 100
2/1/08 at 6:35pm
I'm not a fan of Gasol my any stretch, but he's going to be an amazing fit in Phil Jackson's offense. I wouldn't be surprised if his scoring goes up, in spite of the fact that he'll be deferring to Kobe.

Great trade for both teams, since that Kwame money comes off the Grizzlies' books at the end of this year. I don't know if this move necessarily makes the Lakers a contender again, but it makes them awfully dangerous.
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post #5 of 100
2/1/08 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
Kwame Brown ain't shit. Pau Gasol, now I think the Lakers are scary. BTW, how'd you enjoy the loss last night? Heh Heh.
i hate tayshaun prince more than any other player in the league. The fucker is too god damn clutch.
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post #6 of 100
2/1/08 at 8:20pm
If Bynum comes back from injury, the Lakers will have the best front line in basketball. Two seven footers and Odom is a "long" 6-10, those three should flourish together as long as they dont get in each others way.
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post #7 of 100
2/1/08 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Fazer View Post
i hate tayshaun prince more than any other player in the league. The fucker is too god damn clutch.
I don't know what it is about Prince, but he always seems to step up his game when playing the Lakers, I love it.
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post #8 of 100
2/1/08 at 8:51pm
I'm with you, Fazer. Longtime Laker fan. Kwame is a terrible basketball player. You're a good man, Kwame? I don't care; go home and fuck your wife. You don't have what it takes to play basketball. You're a stiff.

And now I hear that we traded you away for an All-Star? That is a dream come true. The fact we got rid of Kwame is good news, but to replace him with 7 foot shooter, well, I have to wonder what the hell is going on with the Grizzlies. Is West still GM there?
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post #9 of 100
2/1/08 at 9:23pm
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Man, the Lakers made away like bandits with that trade. Did they at least throw in a bucket of chicken to create the illusion it was a fair deal? Pretty weird, also, that the Grizzlies got the rights to Marc Gasol in the trade- what's it like to be traded for your brother?
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post #10 of 100
2/1/08 at 9:48pm
It's a fair trade, the Grizz got a ton of cap space and a truckload of picks. All extremely valuable in the long term.

Kwame might be an awful player, but his giant expiring contract might be the most valuable piece in this trade.
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post #11 of 100
2/1/08 at 11:41pm
Total win-win trade. Leaves Memphis lots of cap space to chase free agents. I just hope they spend more wisely than Orlando.

God, it's painful to watch the Cavs get in the conversation on Jason Kidd. There's no conceivable way he'll ever end up in Cleveland - not with their negligible assets, and not from an in-conference rival. This is the team they're stuck with.
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post #12 of 100
2/2/08 at 7:23am
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Well, they have no place to play Jarvis Crittendon. And on the list of players I wouldn't want the still-developing Darko Milicic playing with, Kwame Brown rates highly. If Navarro becomes a player, then maybe they can sign a post scorer and get back into things, but I would suggest a new coach. This team has had NO LIFE this year.
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post #13 of 100
2/2/08 at 10:33am
Memphis is basically rebuilding and/or prepping to be bought out by a new owner.

They have some talent, but we won't know the real impact of this trade for the Grizz until 2010 when the picks they got come to fruition.
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post #14 of 100
2/2/08 at 12:31pm
Also, this is the first time in a long time that I am excited about the dunk contest.

Thankfully the NBA seems to be listening a little bit by instituting a fan vote in the contest and more importantly asking Dwight Howard back to the dunk contest.
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post #15 of 100
2/2/08 at 5:17pm
Lakers get Gasol and get to be rid of Kwame Brown, as a Laker fan what's not to like in that equation? Well, maybe that the Lakers are over the cap and Brown's contract was really their only valuable asset... so if this doesn't work out they are fucked for years... but I remain positive.

Depending on how the Lakers handle this road stretch/Bynum's loss, they could be poised to be a 2 seed in the west. And they could play with Phoenix and Dallas and San Antonio before Gasol got here... So if they whether this little storm, anything's possible really.

Very, very exciting.
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post #16 of 100
2/2/08 at 5:34pm
People on the East Coast have now heard about The Blazers.
My team must be doing something right.

and a beloved triple-doubling All Star is what we have in Roy.

It's been a long, dark decade, but the light is ahead.
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post #17 of 100
2/6/08 at 12:40am
HOLY SHIT.

Game 1 of the Lakers Re-Loaded (2.0) and Pau Gasol looks like a fucking superstar again. Jesus christ I had goosebumps at the end of the LA-NJ game. This could be something very very special.
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post #18 of 100
2/6/08 at 3:42pm
This knee-jerk reaction by the Suns is a horrible mis-step. I pray that Shaquille fails his physical. I could almost understand it if Shaq's contract was expiring, but how in the name of god do you commit yourself to 2+ seasons at an insane salary for an injury prone player who doesn't remotely fit into your offense? It's almost like somebody said "We need somebody with legs worse off than Grant Hills to take attention off of his injury risk. Any ideas?"

I don't even hate the idea of trading Marion for an inside presence who can key the fast break and keep teams honest inside, but Shaq? This is so disheartening. Almost as disheartening as listening to the fans around here trying to convince themselves it's a good move.
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post #19 of 100
2/6/08 at 10:43pm
Okay, let's address this first: if we can get 25-30 quality minutes out of Shaq a game, I think it's a good trade. However, that's a big "if."

The Suns weren't going to go deep in the playoffs this year. Our record against the good western conference teams demonstrates that. So, a change needed to be made. I think this trade will work out (again, note the caveat above) because Stoudamire is a better power forward than a center. Shaq can't put a team on his shoulders anymore, but with Nash and Black Jesus, we might be a little better against teams with big men than without.

Then again, who the hell knows.
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post #20 of 100
2/6/08 at 11:13pm
I like the Shaq trade from the Heat side...Shawn Marion and Dwayne Wade should be a very dynamic duo. The Miami Herald indicates that GM Pat Riley could sign free agent Elton Brand. They also could have a top 5 pick which would also help. Miami may have won their title with an aging but future Hall Of Fame Center, but at least they won a title before falling to the point that they may have the #1 pick a mere 2 years later.
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post #21 of 100
2/6/08 at 11:39pm
Elton Brand is the prototypical good player on a bad team. On a contender, he's a third option at best. I'm always astounded at how highly regarded he is.

I think Mike D'Antoni is going to have a hell of a coaching job to do. If he manages Shaq's minutes well, both in terms of situation and volume, the Suns will be a much improved team. If he isn't able to keep that balancing act going, this trade could implode the team. But Nash's window is closing fast, this is probably a good move all things considered. They need to make their run now.
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post #22 of 100
2/6/08 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin K View Post
Elton Brand is the prototypical good player on a bad team. On a contender, he's a third option at best. I'm always astounded at how highly regarded he is.
He was pretty great on the 05-06 Clippers, which went to the second round. He averaged 24.7 points, 10 rebounds, 2.6 blocks, and 1 steal.

I think that Miami hosed Phoenix in this deal. If Marion doesn't resign they will have 32 million in cap room and a top-five draft pick. If he stays, they have two athletic stars and the ability to drastically improve before the next season. Phoenix is stuck with an aging Shaq for two more years.
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post #23 of 100
2/7/08 at 4:53am
The idea that the Miami Heat signed Shaq to an absurd extension, and, instead of being punished for it, get Shawn Marion instead... well, I just don't know what to say.
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post #24 of 100
2/7/08 at 5:45am
You want some NBA chatter? The league is in danger of complete irrelevance (when looking at television ratings), the populace at large doesn't like the players, NBA players are getting their ass kicked in international competition by teams who know how to play fundamental basketball, and the "3 seconds in the key by the defense" rule needs to be scrapped as it encourages one on one shenanigans.

Also: the Phoenix Suns GM just joined Brian Sabean (Francisco Liriano AND Boof Bonser AND Joe Nathan!!! for one year of AJ Pierzynski), Dan Duquette (Scott Kazmir and a prospect for Victor Zambrano) and Wayne Krivsky (Austin Kearns AND Felipe Lopez AND Ryan Wagner for an injured Gary Majewski, Royce Clayton, and three scrubs who nobody can remember) in the "I have completed one of the four dumbest trades in the last ten years club."
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post #25 of 100
2/7/08 at 6:49am
Thank you Steve Kerr for allowing the Heat to possibly be contenders in the East in the near future, instead of having to wait for Shaq's terrible contract to expire.

I hated Riley extending Shaq's contract when it happened. When the Heat traded for him they had a two to three year window to win it with him, not five. Why extend his contract when it was inevitable that his play would start to slip, his age would force his injuries to take longer to heal, and then there's his weight issues? A starting lineup with Wade, Marion, Haslem, FA PG, and hopefully either Beasley or Love seems good to me. Once again, thanks Steve.

Dumb move by the Suns. What was the point of this? Is it to counteract with the Lakers move? Shaq is too slow for their offense. Kerr made a comment about their past trade for Kurt Thomas and how they were still able to run their offense. Difference is it takes away Shaq's best qualities. How are you going to force teams to double team him when he's still at half court? Do they want a defensive presence? If that's the case, what a fucking waste of $20 mil.
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post #26 of 100
2/7/08 at 11:59am
Okay, so you're Phoenix. You got an super-star point guard and a great big-man playing out of position. One of your team-members would rather not be there and is playing like that. You have a great team, but with glaring weaknesses that your opponents know how to exploit. Odds are, you will not make it deep in the play-offs, let a lone win a title. The locker room is glum and yellow lights are starting to flash. What do you do?

Miami calls you with an offer for Shaq. You have the best medical and rehab staff in the NBA and they have done wonders with Nash and Hill. It's a risk -- but it fills a hole. Shaq can't carry a team anymore, but with a talented cast you think...hmm...maybe he can do it.

A lot depends on Shaq's health, true. However, you got Nash and Stoudamire. All the Suns need is for Shaq to be competent, and it may work out great.

It could also be a complete clusterfuck. But the Suns needed to make a move. Their roster wins a lot of regular-season games, but I doubt it would've won a championship.
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post #27 of 100
2/8/08 at 5:59am
Their problem has always been defense, and they just traded away their best defender. They could've made a move earlier in the season and he goes by the name of Andre Kirilenko.
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post #28 of 100
2/13/08 at 6:46pm
Looks like Jason Kidd is going back to where he started.

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The New Jersey Nets have agreed to send Jason Kidd and Malik Allen to Dallas for Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, DeSagana Diop, Devean George, Maurice Ager, two first-round picks and $3 million, sources have told CBSSports.com.
Dallas must be trying to win right now.
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post #29 of 100
2/13/08 at 7:29pm
And somewhere, Byron Scott smiles.
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post #30 of 100
2/14/08 at 2:33am
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I guess everyone in the West is playing Can You Top This? How long before Houston gets Latrell Sprewell on line four?
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post #31 of 100
2/14/08 at 3:44am
Whilst here in Detroit we're quite alright with our team.
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post #32 of 100
2/14/08 at 4:52pm
For arguments sake, let's just assume that the Kidd deal never goes through.

I would like to thank Devean George for finally doing something right for the Lakers, by stopping a team from getting better. All those years as Laker stiff, and you've finally done something to validate your three rings. Thank you.
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post #33 of 100
2/14/08 at 4:58pm
Latrell Sprewell getting his house/boat repossessed as bankruptcy looks makes me smile. Schadenfreude, indeed.
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post #34 of 100
2/15/08 at 6:01pm
Jerry Stackhouse is a moron. Time to ship Kidd to Cleveland!

(I haven't taken leave of my senses; I know that's never gonna happen.)
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post #35 of 100
2/15/08 at 6:58pm
All-Star Festivities have kicked off here in New Orleans. Its been really good so far, the weather hasn't been great, but so far I hear the city is getting a big boost from this.

Also, the team with the best record in the Western Conference: The New Orleans Hornets. Did not think I would be saying that this year. Its been awesome.

There is talk of the Hornets making a trade for either Ben Gordon or Pietrus or Mike Miller, with a Gordon trade actually almost happening before the Hornets backed out.
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post #36 of 100
2/15/08 at 7:21pm
I think the NBA has'nt been this exciting in years. The promise of epic playoff battles in the west and in the finals will hopefully continue the resurrection of league. (A Boston/Detroit series might be exciting as well). I would love nothing more than to see the Lakers win a championship on Boston's court!
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post #37 of 100
2/17/08 at 8:33am
Wow - I haven't enjoyed a dunk contest since Vince Carter won the crown in 2000 but that was fun. Props to Superman Dwight Howard for really bringing some fun and creativity back and giving the seemingly terminally ill event the kiss of life. Hell, gimmicky as it was, Green's blowing-out-the-candle dunk brought a smile to my face, too.
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post #38 of 100
2/17/08 at 12:24pm
I was worried Green's dunk was going to suffer from "we can't tell what you did, so let's assume it was an 8-9itis" much like Howard's backboard slap from the year before. That was a lot of fun. Plus the looseness of the TNT guys perfectly complements an event like this. Barkley saying he would say hi to Terrell Owens, but he didn't want to make him cry was gold.
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post #39 of 100
2/17/08 at 4:53pm
I missed it and was expecting to see something sick, the way ESPN was making it out to be, but sorry, Howard mistiming his jump, coming way short and throwing the ball in, is underwhelming.
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post #40 of 100
2/17/08 at 6:02pm
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Mike Bibby to Atlanta... Nice to know the Hawks give a shit about winning. Not nice to see how he's going to screw up team chemistry and slow the ball movement down. Bibby's been on a helluva downward spiral lately, almost Marbury-like- I think he's finished.
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post #41 of 100
2/18/08 at 10:00pm
I too thought the "Superman" dunk was a bit overrated. It was fun to watch, but there's been a lot of talk of it being one of the best ever. His other two were excellent, especially his first one from behind the backboard.

Contrary to popular opinion, Gerald Green's best dunk was the one in his socks. Coming from someone who's had some hops in his days, I can attest to the difficulty of that dunk. It didn't help that he'd gone between the legs on the previous dunk or that the whole between legs thing is played out.

Plus, I think Allen was definitely deserving of the MVP. Nothing against Lebron, but Allen kept the West in it in the fourth, the only time when anyone was trying anyway.
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post #42 of 100
2/21/08 at 3:18pm
Are the Phoenix Suns stuck in a time warp? At some point they have to think that maybe, just maybe, they might have to start playing on both sides of the court.
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post #43 of 100
2/21/08 at 6:09pm
The Bulls are such a huge disappointment. All that energy and work ethic has been reversed.

And it looks like the Bulls are trying to cut their losses and trade Ben Wallace and Chris Duhon to Cleveland. Seattle might be involved(Wally to Cleveland also).

Bulls would probably get Larry Hughes and Grew Gooden.

Looks like it might be official crap for crap
I hope it helps the cap.
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In a three-way trade with Chicago and Seattle that has been submitted for league approval, NBA front-office sources say that Cleveland will come away with four new teammates for James, headlined by Ben Wallace from the Bulls and sharpshooter Wally Szczerbiak from the Sonics.

The league office was notified of the deal before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trading deadline, sources said, and is currently reviewing the trade details as required for formal approval.

The Bulls, apparently abandoning their gamble on Wallace less than two seasons into the lucrative four-year deal they used to sign him away from Detroit, would get Cavaliers forward Drew Gooden and swingman Larry Hughes along with Cavs reserves Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown.

The Sonics, shedding Szczerbiak in the name of additional payroll flexibility, come away with the expiring contracts of Cleveland's Ira Newble and Chicago's Adrian Griffin as well as Cavs veteran Donyell Marshall.
ugh
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post #44 of 100
2/21/08 at 6:13pm
I wish the old thread hadn't disappeared, so I could gloat about my statement back in October about how awful the Bulls were going to be this season and how they had to make the Kobe trade at all costs. Although gloat probably isn't the right word. What a miserable season.

Still against that Kobe trade, Guttenberg Fan Club?
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post #45 of 100
2/21/08 at 6:22pm
the old thead is still around. I think they fixed the problem. No Bulls fan wants to see it.
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post #46 of 100
2/21/08 at 6:38pm
The old thread is cut off after about four posts, so my post is still missing about how the Bulls should trade some of their guys while their value is still high. All those people who were saying that you don't dare trade Luol Deng for Kobe deserve to be ridiculed right about now. They're getting off easy.
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post #47 of 100
2/21/08 at 9:43pm
Please tell me the Bulls are getting some sort of cap benefit from this in the next few years. I mean, Christ, that's an ugly looking deal.

edit- Yeah, Kevin... I was one of those people (I don't think I actually posted about it) who didn't want to have to give up a bunch of the young guys for Kobe. It was more than just Deng, but even still it sure looks like they made the wrong decision.
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post #48 of 100
2/22/08 at 12:49am
Danny Ferry should walk around with a fucking crown on his head after that deal. Giving Lebron a crew he doesn't want to kill everytime he's on the court is a bonus, and you also rid yourself of the Hughesbatross. Not the level of fleecing of Gasol for shit sandwich and Kurt Thomas for a high five, but still pretty good stuff to get in just before the deadline.
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post #49 of 100
2/22/08 at 2:27am
it could be worse, you all could be pacer fans!
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post #50 of 100
2/22/08 at 3:19am
this is feeling like a classic season
Last nights Lakers Suns matchup felt like a playoff game

with all the trades, damn, its the Lakers with the real steal

I can see why other teams would be pissed,.

CLE did well for themselves today.

Yay for Beaks.

lol
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