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post #1301 of 3025

About the ending to Thick as Thieves

 

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Really, Valerie had to die? That was such a punch to the fucking gut. Damn how this book ended, just.. damn. I don't know how much more of crime fiction I can handle because there's always shit like this in them.

 

post #1302 of 3025
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About the ending to Thick as Thieves


 

Yeah, that's brutal, but it was earned. I'm wondering if he'll do another Carr novel, they left that option open.

post #1303 of 3025
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Yeah, that's brutal, but it was earned. I'm wondering if he'll do another Carr novel, they left that option open.



They didn't earn it from me damnit (I'm such a sentimental sap)! What does that even mean, earning it, I'm not being facetious, I'm curious as I've never discussed that term when it comes to books.

post #1304 of 3025
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They didn't earn it from me damnit (I'm such a sentimental sap)! What does that even mean, earning it, I'm not being facetious, I'm curious as I've never discussed that term when it comes to books.


Earned as in the death didn't feel cheap or used just for shock value.

post #1305 of 3025

So I just finished Ordinary Decent Criminal, and I kinda fell in love with it.

 

Cameron calling this a "blue-collar" Burn Notice sums it up extremely well, mostly because the main character's so calm and collected while showing off everything from how booby-trap your window to what you need to do to break into a house safely. It also shares with Burn Notice the notion that this calm and collected character is somebody you REALLY don't want getting pissed off enough to hurt you.

 

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Like how through most of the book our lead has been solving his problems with a little violence, but no killing. But when he's forced into action near the end of the book, he treats a whole car to a close-range bit of shotgun surgery and it's a big "HOLY SHIT" moment of badassery.

 

 

Just really loved this a ton.

post #1306 of 3025
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So I just finished Ordinary Decent Criminal, and I kinda fell in love with it.

 

Cameron calling this a "blue-collar" Burn Notice sums it up extremely well, mostly because the main character's so calm and collected while showing off everything from how booby-trap your window to what you need to do to break into a house safely. It also shares with Burn Notice the notion that this calm and collected character is somebody you REALLY don't want getting pissed off enough to hurt you.


Just really loved this a ton.



Next two books are even better. I'm just so crushed he passed away.

post #1307 of 3025

Anybody read Bangkok 8? I picked it up at Barnes and noble for 4 bucks.

post #1308 of 3025

I finished Blood's A Rover. All Ellroy's obsessions and compulsions are laid bare in this epic. It's Hemingway on crack, I loved it.

post #1309 of 3025
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I finished Blood's A Rover. All Ellroy's obsessions and compulsions are laid bare in this epic. It's Hemingway on crack, I loved it.



It's a weird book, full of manic energy, It's way better than The Cold Six Thousand, but nowhere as good as American Tabloid.

post #1310 of 3025
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January Magazine, including me and Rath as contributors, has put up their best crime fiction of the year. Rath has included San Diego Noir and gave my story a shout-out!

 

Part 1

http://januarymagazine.blogspot.com/2011/12/best-books-of-2011-crime-fiction-part-i.html

 

 

Part 2 

http://januarymagazine.blogspot.com/2011/12/best-books-of-2011-crime-fiction-part.html

post #1311 of 3025

One of the books I selected for that list was THE END OF EVERYTHING, which is awesome and you should all read. Because I'm a hit-whore, here's the two-part interview I did with Abbott about her book. Part One. Part Two.

 

In the interview, she talks about her next novel, which is an expansion/take-off on one of her short stories, "Cheer" (which is a fucking nasty piece of work), much the way "Queenpin" first appeared as a short story. Turns out that book has a title -- DARE ME -- and a release date, July 31.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Dare-Me-Novel-Megan-Abbott/dp/0316097772/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324556932&sr=8-1

 

Psyched. Little Brown has really been pushing her hard, and she deserves it. End of Everything was stunning, and I can't wait to see what's next.

post #1312 of 3025

Thick as Thieves was fantastic. Had to pretty much ignore my family for a significant chunk of Christmas Eve to finish the last quarter of it. This annoyed some nieces and nephews, and my mom, but, hey. Hell of a book.

 

I've never read any Jack Reacher, but discovered my dad's become a big fan over the past year, burning through the catalog after being tipped to 'em by his brother (gave me Without Fail to check out, I haven't cracked it yet). He recently picked up Baldacci's latest, Zero Day, and is fairly scandalized by the obvious Reacher riff. Baldacci's protagonist is, apparently, a muscular 240-lb 6'4" hyper-competent baddest-ass military investigator with a penchant for head-butting who's named, of all things, "John Puller." When he told me this, I just started laughing out loud. Is it really a naked grab for Child's market, or is Baldacci merely having some fun with a friend and colleague's creation?

 

In completely unrelated news, keep an eye out for my new tough-guy thriller series starring muscular 240-lb 6'4" hyper-competent baddest-ass former green beret lawyer with a penchant for head-butting, Jake Grabber.

 

ETA: Pop came through on the wishlist, and got me for Xmas The Power of the Dog, The Winter of Frankie Machine, and Savages. So, at long last I'm about to board the Winslow love train.


Edited by Trav McGee - 12/28/11 at 11:17am
post #1313 of 3025

 

Quote: Trav McGee

In completely unrelated news, keep an eye out for my new tough-guy thriller series starring muscular 240-lb 6'4" hyper-competent baddest-ass former green beret lawyer with a penchant for head-butting, Jake Grabber.

 

 

 

I ain't gonna lie here, I'd kind of read the fuck out of that.

 

 

Honestly though, I've read exactly one Reacher novel and that was pretty much enough for me.

post #1314 of 3025

I maintain that KILLING FLOOR is a really good, really entertaining pulp novel. It's perfect summer beach reading.

 

Currently in the middle of Spiegleman's RED CAT, which I am really enjoying, although it's pretty grim. Not as grim as CHOKE HOLD, however, because hoo boy, that was bleak bleak bleak.

post #1315 of 3025

I borrowed my dad's copy of The Affair (newest Reacher) over Xmas. Pretty entertaining and only took me a couple of days. I can't say Child is the greatest (nor am I educated enough to do so as I've only read this and Persuader), but I've read worse.

 

Just finished Bobby Z. Enjoyed it, but probably my least favorite Winslow so far. Frankie Machine, California Fire & Life and Dawn Patrol are all leagues above it, in my opinion. Savages and Gentlemen's Hour are next.

post #1316 of 3025

Finished Time To Murder And Create. Damn Scudder books are bleak. And make me want bourbon and coffee. I always see a run down George Clooney in the role. Or a depressed Don Cheadle.

post #1317 of 3025

haha don't ever read a dance at the slaughterhouse then.

post #1318 of 3025
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Finished Time To Murder And Create. Damn Scudder books are bleak. And make me want bourbon and coffee. I always see a run down George Clooney in the role. Or a depressed Don Cheadle.

Same, re: Clooney. Read When the Sacred Ginmill Closes recently. So much to love. There was some movement on DJ Caruso directing Scott Frank's (reportedly very good) A Walk Among the Tombstones script earlier this year, but haven't heard much since. Not sure Caruso has the clout to get Clooney, who seems to work exclusively with A-list filmmakers these days, but if he's looking for a new franchise...

post #1319 of 3025

You all are nuts re: Clooney. Give it to my man Dennis Quaid, or, if you want to get meta, make Jeff Bridges take a shower. 

 

Bebe Newirth as Elaine, please.

post #1320 of 3025

I always imagine Jonathon Banks as Matthew Scudder.

post #1321 of 3025

Quaid is a good choice. Harrison Ford was supposed to play him back when Carnahan was at the helm. As much as I'd want to see that version, Ford wouldn't be my first choice.

post #1322 of 3025

If we're going for adaptations though, I'd want a do-over on Eight Million Ways to Die.

post #1323 of 3025

I was pretty surprised that Tombstones was the one picked to adapt, if for no other reason than it's arguably the darkest and most violent Scudder book. Then again, Hollywood loves serial killer films.

 

Eight Million Ways to Die is pretty bad, but gotta love that poster.

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post #1324 of 3025

I came across this blog by Megan Abbott and Sara Gran, some wonderful crime fiction analysis in there (and other weird assorted oddities)

 

http://abbottgran.wordpress.com/2011/04/

 

 

post #1325 of 3025

Love 'em both! Great blog!

 

I was in the middle of reading The End of Everything fairly recently, but I have no idea what happened to my goddamn book, and it's making me rather upset.

 

Thankfully I had The Gentleman's Hour to tide me over, and it was pretty damn great to dive back into the Dawn Patrol gang. Love the little bits Winslow drops on everything from Martial arts history in California, to geology and it's effect on the housing market. Plus I couldn't help but get a smile out of Red Eddie being back.

 

 

Now I'm starting on Choke Hold, which opens more explosively than most crime novels end. In short I'm deeply in love with Christa Faust.

post #1326 of 3025

I said this in the link up above, but I like how Gentlemen's Hour is so intense because, after Savages, you know Winslow has no qualms about killing every motherfucker in the room. I was really afraid everyone in that book was going to die.

post #1327 of 3025

I'll say one thing, Jones is one of the most unnerving characters I've seen in a long time. I mean the creepy torture specialist at this point has popped up in so many crime novels that it's almost a cliche, but Winslow's smart enough to keep his scenes to a minimum to make him all the more effective.

post #1328 of 3025
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I maintain that KILLING FLOOR is a really good, really entertaining pulp novel. It's perfect summer beach reading.

 

Currently in the middle of Spiegleman's RED CAT, which I am really enjoying, although it's pretty grim. Not as grim as CHOKE HOLD, however, because hoo boy, that was bleak bleak bleak.



I like to imagine the (great) John March series as an alternate universe of Gossip Girl where Chuck Bass ditched his wealth to become a small town cop and then P.I.

post #1329 of 3025
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I'll say one thing, Jones is one of the most unnerving characters I've seen in a long time. I mean the creepy torture specialist at this point has popped up in so many crime novels that it's almost a cliche, but Winslow's smart enough to keep his scenes to a minimum to make him all the more effective.



My favorite Jones scene is him looking at some young women in bikini's and imagines them wincing in pain and then thinking about ice cream. So little, but says so much.

post #1330 of 3025

I'm starting Gillian Flynn's Sharp Objects, I've heard she's pretty good.

post #1331 of 3025

I heartily recommend Assumption, a new novel from the always great Percival Everett. Though not the first plot-driven thriller he's written, it's his first straight up crime (detective) novel. The guy is great, and defies categorization, and I heartily recommend any of his books (Erasure and I Am Not Sidney Poitier for starters).

 

Anyway, Assumption is about a genial, mixed race Sheriff in  a small town in New Mexico, and his adventures over three unrelated homicide cases that follow one another. It's a quick, deceptivley simple and engaging read, until the last third, when it becomes...something else, let's say. I don't want to say anything more, for fear of spoiling it, but suffice to say the book you finish reading isn't the one you started. I think it's right up you're guy's alley, especially yours Cameron.

post #1332 of 3025

Figured I'd cross-post this from the TV section:

 

Anyone else reading Raylan? I'm about 2/3 through it, and I have to say that I'm just not feeling it. A few comments below; please note that there's the odd spoiler.

 

I will admit that it's been a few years since I read anything new from Leonard, so it might just be that the natural decline of a writer getting on in years feels more abrupt to me. And Pronto was never a particular favorite (I didn't go back to Riding the Rap or "Fire in the Hole" till after I began watching Justfied), so maybe it's just that there's a connection that Leonard has with the literary version of the character that I just don't get.

 

Even given all that, this really does not read like anything close to prime Leonard IMHO. I don't know what prompted him to try and conflate the TV series with his existing template for Raylan (money? doubt he needs it), but it's a weird amalgam, and I wonder if it reads better to someone who's never seen the series: I keep waiting for changes to pay off (swapping out Bennetts for Crowes; giving Gutterson one line of dialog and never seeing him again; no romantic involvement with Ava, and only the barest of nods to his history with Winona), but the story as it's being laid out here is far less interesting than either previous season of Justified.

 

As you may have read, it's really not even a novel so much as some short stories stitched together into a loose framework. The first one (involving organ theft) hews very closely to the "book" version of Raylan: among other things, he does a piss-poor job of investigation, and walks into a trap that we all see coming, but which isn't even resolved in a clever way (he just awakens from a drug injection faster than the baddies expect). The middle section is about Carol from the coal company, and compared to the version in the show, it just drags terribly. In some ways, I like this version of Carol---she's much more hard-headed and cold-hearted about the inevitability of the miseries that coal mining inflicts---but she's so casual about condoning murder that she comes off as an unprofessional loose cannon, and having Boyd follow her around was fine as a subplot in the series, but since that's all he's given to do here, it feels like a waste.

 

And what prompted me to fire this off before I've even finished the book is that Leonard just had Raylan shoot a hat off an armed thug's head; this despite the book more than once reminding us that Raylan doesn't draw unless he's going to shoot to kill.

 

Maybe the last 60 or so pages will pull it all back together for me, and I'll regret having said all this. But I'm not particularly confident.

post #1333 of 3025

I finished Gillian Flynn's Sharp Objects and really liked it's southern gothic tone and Camille Preaker is a fascinating complex character. The book uses the twisted relationship between Camille, her mother Adora and half-sister Amma to go over topics such as the mean girl complex and the nature of violence in women (although that's probably too broad), it's interesting that I find this book has alot in common with We Need to Talk about Kevin in that they both deal with a loss of connection to children. The book has stayed with me, you can't ask for much more than that.

post #1334 of 3025

Man.....Choke Hold is fuckin' BLEAK.

 

Also Angel Dare would fucking kill Lisbeth Salander in some no-holds barred girl fight.

post #1335 of 3025
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Money Shot would be great for an "older" actress like Carla Gugino, Elizabeth Banks, or Vera Farmiga. (My choice is Vera based solely on Running Scared)

post #1336 of 3025

I pretty much visualized Carla Gugino in my head throughout all of Money Shot, and Choke Hold....weird.

 

Vera Farmiga needs to be saved for whenever I become successful and my Robert Crais-meets-dykes imaginary novel is optioned into a feature film.

post #1337 of 3025
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Man.....Choke Hold is fuckin' BLEAK.

 

Also Angel Dare would fucking kill Lisbeth Salander in some no-holds barred girl fight.



I agree:

 

http://www.mulhollandbooks.com/2012/01/19/review-choke-hold-by-christa-faust/

post #1338 of 3025

Also does anybody have opinion on Zoe Sharp? Because I need a female character driven action series like a fish needs water.

 

Note: I might have picked up one of the books in the series, but I was so busy dealing with personal stuff at the time that I don't remember much about it.

post #1339 of 3025
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Also does anybody have opinion on Zoe Sharp? Because I need a female character driven action series like a fish needs water.

 

Note: I might have picked up one of the books in the series, but I was so busy dealing with personal stuff at the time that I don't remember much about it.



If you liked Alias without the Rimbaldi stuff, you'll like her.

post #1340 of 3025

Sold.

post #1341 of 3025

SAVAGES was pretty much my book of the year last year...

post #1342 of 3025
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SAVAGES was pretty much my book of the year last year...



Okay. And...? We all love Savages here, but elaborate, dude.

post #1343 of 3025

Just getting caught up on a long, LOOOOONG thread (27 freaking pages, seriously?!!), and that is the thought that popped into my head while reading what y*all have wrote.  DAWN PATROL was great, THICK AS THIEVES was great (although, as organic as the ending was, I do understand people being upset about *the death*), and other than for that I am trying to scan all the crime novels I have read in the last year or so.  Last week, I read BREAKOUT, NOBODY RUNS FOREVER, ASK THE PARROT, and DIRTY MONEY, the last four Parker novels by Richard Stark (aka Donald Westlake) before he passed away, and they pretty much brushed away all the other crime novels I have read recently, because even though he was old as hell, the dude knew how to write.  So yeah, they brushed away a lot, except the Monty Haaviko novels, which you guys already attended to earlier in the thread, and I agree with everyone in that it is a total shame the dude is dead.

 

Somebody somewhere wrote that they had just finished Bobby Z, and that they liked it but it wasn*t head of the class.  I am with you on that, BUT, in a kind of behind-the-scenes/directors-cut sort of way, I do have this to share:  Winslow, at the time of writing Bobby Z, was on an international investigation gig that essentially demanded that he be totally sub rosa, and take the bus from Torrance into LA every freaking morning.  While on the bus, blending with the people (because how awesome is it that a writer of great fiction is also, pretty much, one of his own characters?), he wrote Bobby Z longhand, with pen to paper, with no revisions.  Once I had read the interview where Winslow divulged that, I went and re-read Bobby Z, and I have to say, if you read it as a guy writing manically, full-speed, with no time to look back on what he has written, that really, REALLY shows through.

post #1344 of 3025
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Just getting caught up on a long, LOOOOONG thread (27 freaking pages, seriously?!!), and that is the thought that popped into my head while reading what y*all have wrote.  DAWN PATROL was great, THICK AS THIEVES was great (although, as organic as the ending was, I do understand people being upset about *the death*), and other than for that I am trying to scan all the crime novels I have read in the last year or so.  Last week, I read BREAKOUT, NOBODY RUNS FOREVER, ASK THE PARROT, and DIRTY MONEY, the last four Parker novels by Richard Stark (aka Donald Westlake) before he passed away, and they pretty much brushed away all the other crime novels I have read recently, because even though he was old as hell, the dude knew how to write.  So yeah, they brushed away a lot, except the Monty Haaviko novels, which you guys already attended to earlier in the thread, and I agree with everyone in that it is a total shame the dude is dead.

 

Somebody somewhere wrote that they had just finished Bobby Z, and that they liked it but it wasn*t head of the class.  I am with you on that, BUT, in a kind of behind-the-scenes/directors-cut sort of way, I do have this to share:  Winslow, at the time of writing Bobby Z, was on an international investigation gig that essentially demanded that he be totally sub rosa, and take the bus from Torrance into LA every freaking morning.  While on the bus, blending with the people (because how awesome is it that a writer of great fiction is also, pretty much, one of his own characters?), he wrote Bobby Z longhand, with pen to paper, with no revisions.  Once I had read the interview where Winslow divulged that, I went and re-read Bobby Z, and I have to say, if you read it as a guy writing manically, full-speed, with no time to look back on what he has written, that really, REALLY shows through.



Full disclosure, Don is a buddy of mine, so I was interested in your thoughts. Bobby Z might be one of his weaker novels (Though it's really not. ), but the creative process of it is really cool. I actually like Frankie Machine the least. Love the flashbacks, but find the present bits a little dull. The Dawn Patrol, being a San Diegan, might be my favorite. It is un-doubtedly a great novel wherever you're from, but as a native, I love the dark love letter pop song aspect of it.

 

post #1345 of 3025

Power of the Dog or Savages are probably the best things he's ever written, but I enjoy The Dawn Patrol probably most of all. It's so breezy and fun without sacrificing an inch of grit whatsoever.

 

I also think California Fire and Life is a seriously underrated book, or at least one that doesn't get mentioned nearly as much. His educational tidbits on everything from proper arson investigation to the structure of the Russian mob  is never not fascinating.

post #1346 of 3025

Winslow's process on Bobby Z is very cool to read about. It's a great, fun book, but it just didn't hit me like his other novels have. Totally agree Fire & Life is underrated. I could have read an entire book just about the education process of an arson investigator. Fascinating stuff, and his style makes those chapters fly. I wish Winslow would write text books.

 

Still, for an author to have so many great books is a pretty great feat. The slight comedown going from Dawn Patrol to Bobby Z is nothing like the fall I had after reading the LA Quartet and then attempting only a few chapters of Brown's Requiem before taking it back to the library. Practically got the bends. Not recommended.

post #1347 of 3025

Gillian Flynn definitely has a talent for creating interesting, complex female characters, I really dug Dark Places even if it was reaching towards the end, I'm excited to see what Flynn comes up with next.

post #1348 of 3025

I'd like to see WInslow set a novel in New York.

post #1349 of 3025

Quite a little bit of Power of The Dog is set there.

post #1350 of 3025

Yeah, but most of it is on the West Coast and Central America.  Love to have Winslow write a detective novel set in the Big Apple.  Been a long time since the Neal Carey series.

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