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post #401 of 3038
2/26/10 at 5:30pm
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've been meaning to get some Block. Looks like I'll start with The Sins of the Fathers and move forward unless there's a better way.

Also looks like I need to check out Don Winslow and Connelly. Will do.
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post #402 of 3038
2/26/10 at 7:34pm
That's the way to go.
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post #403 of 3038
2/26/10 at 9:01pm
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've been meaning to get some Block. Looks like I'll start with The Sins of the Fathers and move forward unless there's a better way.

Also looks like I need to check out Don Winslow and Connelly. Will do.
Its interesting starting Scudder from the start. You pick up on little things. The characters age in real time, so he becomes a different person over the course of the books. New York itself is a character in the books and Block chronicles how its changed over the decades as well.
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post #404 of 3038
2/27/10 at 9:56pm
Reread a couple of 80s classics this weekend - The Crosskiller, by Marcel Montecino - pretty sure Shawn Ryan read this before coming up with The Shield - and One Police Plaza, by William Caunitz. Both guys gone now, sadly.
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post #405 of 3038
3/5/10 at 12:12am
I guess word is Oliver Stone is directing Don Winslow's new book...maybe Cameron has more info.
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post #406 of 3038
3/5/10 at 12:18am
Somebody's too busy jerking off Peter Berg and Michael Mann to read the main page!
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post #407 of 3038
3/5/10 at 3:49am
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I guess word is Oliver Stone is directing Don Winslow's new book...maybe Cameron has more info.
Oh, I have lots. Some I can't share.
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post #408 of 3038
3/5/10 at 12:34pm
I picked up Two Way Split by Allan Guthrie and Bury Me Deep by Megan Abbott. I'm looking forward to reading those.
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post #409 of 3038
3/5/10 at 12:38pm
Have you read any of Abbott's other stuff, Nathan?
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post #410 of 3038
3/5/10 at 6:07pm
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Somebody's too busy jerking off Peter Berg and Michael Mann to read the main page!
I did read the main page - that's how I got the news...
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post #411 of 3038
3/5/10 at 6:21pm
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I did read the main page - that's how I got the news...
What wasn't reported is Don is writing the screenplay.
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post #412 of 3038
3/5/10 at 6:36pm
Nice. I liked his work on UC: Undercover.
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post #413 of 3038
3/5/10 at 7:15pm
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Nice. I liked his work on UC: Undercover.
That's a show that died before its time.
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post #414 of 3038
3/5/10 at 9:15pm
Yeah, still waiting on the DVDs...
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post #415 of 3038
3/6/10 at 12:22am
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Have you read any of Abbott's other stuff, Nathan?
Yeah, I've read Die a Little, Queenpin and The Song is You and thought they were all pretty good.
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post #416 of 3038
3/6/10 at 12:25am
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Oh, I have lots. Some I can't share.
Quit being such a tease.
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post #417 of 3038
3/7/10 at 7:28pm
Found today in immaculate condition at the Melrose Flea Market for $20:

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post #418 of 3038
3/7/10 at 7:46pm
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Found today in immaculate condition at the Melrose Flea Market for $20:
The Grifters and The Killer Inside Me are amazing. Jon Hamm was born to play the sheriff in Killer.
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post #419 of 3038
3/7/10 at 8:37pm
A little worried; just got an email from Ridley Pearson's mailing list which refers to the Lou Boldt series in the past tense. I sure hope he's not done with it.
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post #420 of 3038
3/11/10 at 5:53am
i finished 'Bury Me Deep', what a superbly haunting book. Ms Abbott has been getting better and better, her gift fpr prose is evident, she describes people and places with such vividness.
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post #421 of 3038
3/11/10 at 11:50am
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Megan Abbott is the modern heir to James Ellroy, and probably in the top three crime writers of her generation.

Because I'm going to an Edgar Awards event next month, I'm going to start to make my way through the Edgar nominees again. Dennis Lehane's short story "Animal Rescue" is one of the saddest goddamn things I've read in a while.
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post #422 of 3038
3/11/10 at 9:38pm
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Interviewing Sophie Littlefield, have ideas of what to ask her, but go ahead and give me your Q's.
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post #423 of 3038
3/12/10 at 12:28am
This might be dumb/already have been answered, but was there anything in particular that gave her the idea to write Bad Day For Sorry/the sequel?
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post #424 of 3038
3/16/10 at 6:52pm
In preparation for FX's Justified, just re-read Deadly Force by Carsten Stroud, a primer on the US Marshal's service. At one time Stroud was one of the best crime writers in North America; he has, unfortunately, lapsed into the role of a right-wing stooge over the past decade. But his first several novels were top notch. Highly recommended.
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post #425 of 3038
3/17/10 at 4:02am
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In preparation for FX's Justified, just re-read Deadly Force by Carsten Stroud, a primer on the US Marshal's service. At one time Stroud was one of the best crime writers in North America; he has, unfortunately, lapsed into the role of a right-wing stooge over the past decade. But his first several novels were top notch. Highly recommended.
I've heard that name, always wondered if he was good.
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post #426 of 3038
3/17/10 at 5:35am
I finished Two Way Split which I thought was ok but kind of clunky in terms of character and dialogue, the plot was interesting and I liked the way Guthrie used a clock as a way of flicking back and forth between the characters.
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post #427 of 3038
3/17/10 at 11:32am
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I've heard that name, always wondered if he was good.
Just avoid the ones with Newt Gingrich's stamp of approval displayed prominently.
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post #428 of 3038
3/17/10 at 8:43pm
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I finished Two Way Split which I thought was ok but kind of clunky in terms of character and dialogue, the plot was interesting and I liked the way Guthrie used a clock as a way of flicking back and forth between the characters.
Hard Man by Guthrie is hilarious.
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post #429 of 3038
3/18/10 at 6:08am
Almost finished reading California fire and life by Don Winslow, holy shit, what a terrific book, I guess you could call it a standard conventional thriller but Winslow writes with style and the goings on in Jack Wade's head are alternately hilarious, laid back and conversational. Jack Wade is my new hero.
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post #430 of 3038
3/18/10 at 4:18pm
Yeah, Wade's probably my favourite of the Winslow protagonists as well.
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post #431 of 3038
3/18/10 at 4:22pm
Team Art Keller, motherfuckerrrr.
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post #432 of 3038
3/18/10 at 7:33pm
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Team Art Keller, motherfuckerrrr.
Poor Bobby Z and Neal Carey!

Seriously, I have mad love for all of them, and I'd spaff if he wrote an epic bringing all his protagonists together.

(I like Boone best. Jack Wade now feels like an early try at Boone, but angrier. I picture Aaron Eckhart as Jack Wade)
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post #433 of 3038
3/18/10 at 7:36pm
Man, you guys are gonna make me go get that book after work. I hope it's at the local library so that I don't have to dick around at the Fairfax branch.
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post #434 of 3038
3/18/10 at 7:37pm
ARGH, it's not at either one. Oh well. Gonna put that sucker on hold. And now that I think about it, I revoke my Keller vote for Boone. Boone's cooler.
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post #435 of 3038
3/18/10 at 7:57pm
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ARGH, it's not at either one. Oh well. Gonna put that sucker on hold. And now that I think about it, I revoke my Keller vote for Boone. Boone's cooler.
Art Keller is an asshole, I love the way Winslow sets up Keller and Adan. Keller's work and his little pissing contest is his life, Adan, however, goes to work and comes home almost every night for dinner and is actively involved in his family's life. Art's obsessions take away his.
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post #436 of 3038
3/18/10 at 9:51pm
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(I like Boone best. Jack Wade now feels like an early try at Boone, but angrier. I picture Aaron Eckhart as Jack Wade)
Funny how it works. For me, Boone feels like an attempt to build on Wade.

I wouldn't mind seeing Paul Walker as Wade.

Second favourite is Frank.
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post #437 of 3038
3/18/10 at 10:18pm
Another vote for Jack Wade here. I haven't read Bobby Z or The Dawn Patrol yet so i can't comment on those guys.
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post #438 of 3038
3/18/10 at 11:20pm
Ain't nobody got no love for High Tide and Johnny Banzai? I know I do.

I think my favorite would have to be Frankie Machine, followed by Boone.

Also, Paul Walker had his shot at a Winslow protagonist, and blew it. I'll never get your hard on for that guy, Subotai.
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post #439 of 3038
3/18/10 at 11:50pm
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Also, Paul Walker had his shot at a Winslow protagonist, and blew it. I'll never get your hard on for that guy, Subotai.
Paul Walker was the least of the problems with that movie.
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post #440 of 3038
3/19/10 at 12:40am
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Paul Walker was the least of the problems with that movie.
Winslow, like Leonard, would be hard to adapt because he can't be pigeon-holed. His narration skills would be lost in translation, for starters.
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post #441 of 3038
3/19/10 at 1:51am
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Winslow, like Leonard, would be hard to adapt because he can't be pigeon-holed. His narration skills would be lost in translation, for starters.
This is true. Winslow's books are much more suited to an HBO adaptation or similar to bring his narrative skills and understanding of the intricacies of the criminal and law enforcement worlds fully to bear. Not many guys have the same skillset in the North American market, that understanding of street level crime and the big picture - the late Roderick Thorp, Andrew Vachss, Michael Connelly, Carsten Stroud, David Corbett...

And yeah, Walker wasn't the problem with TLADOBZ.
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post #442 of 3038
3/19/10 at 2:42am
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This is true. Winslow's books are much more suited to an HBO adaptation or similar to bring his narrative skills and understanding of the intricacies of the criminal and law enforcement worlds fully to bear. Not many guys have the same skillset in the North American market, that understanding of street level crime and the big picture - the late Roderick Thorp, Andrew Vachss, Michael Connelly, Carsten Stroud, David Corbett...

And yeah, Walker wasn't the problem with TLADOBZ.
A Michael Mann or Peter Berg California Fire and Life would be amazing. You'd have to use V.O. though because the fire education stuff is absolutely essential.

I was having dinner with Lisa Lutz tonight(She's great, the comparisons to Janet Evanovich are wrong and stupid), and we were agreeing that Michael Connelly is one of those crime writers that totally earned his blockbuster success. He's often called the new Chandler, but I liken him more to Hammett.

I've never read Roderick Thorp, despite how much I love Die Hard. I've heard its shockingly faithful to The Detective.

David Corbett's new book Do They Know I'm Running? is amazing. Its about a Mexican kid that has to go to El Salvador and smuggle his uncle and an arab across the border.
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post #443 of 3038
3/19/10 at 5:47am
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A Michael Mann or Peter Berg California Fire and Life would be amazing. You'd have to use V.O. though because the fire education stuff is absolutely essential.
That reminds me, Don researched the hell out of this book, Mann would probably get a hard on with the amount info Don throws at you, it doesn't overwhelm the story, though.
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post #444 of 3038
3/19/10 at 11:21am
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And yeah, Walker wasn't the problem with TLADOBZ.
Didn't we ban automatic proposals for HBO adaptations, like, years ago?

Also, one good movie does not a reputation make.
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post #445 of 3038
3/19/10 at 1:33pm
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David Corbett's new book Do They Know I'm Running? is amazing. Its about a Mexican kid that has to go to El Salvador and smuggle his uncle and an arab across the border.
Yeah, great book. Good man too.
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post #446 of 3038
3/19/10 at 5:49pm
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Didn't we ban automatic proposals for HBO adaptations, like, years ago?

Also, one good movie does not a reputation make.
You did. Doesn't mean they aren't a good idea.
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post #447 of 3038
3/19/10 at 11:13pm
There is not a single Don Winslow book -- and I haven't yet read Dog -- that wouldn't work just as well as a movie as a series. I know Dawn Patrol was originally a pilot script, but the book as it stands works just as well. In fact, very few crime novels that I've read and loved recently would work better as a series. (This is why I'm frustrated about Mystic Arts of Death being optioned for a series.) Part of this also has to do with the fact that nobody makes movies for adults anymore, and there's a great vein of stuff that's not being tapped into for film.
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post #448 of 3038
3/23/10 at 12:02am
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Don Winslow's Savages and David Corbett's Do They Know I'm Running? are fighting it out in my head as best thriller of the year. Tell you this much, done right, Stone and Don could very easily make this their Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. The ending is a stunner.
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post #449 of 3038
3/23/10 at 7:02am
I'm late to this, but I don't know about you but Callan was my favorite from The Power of the Dog. Frankie, Jack, Boone, the entire Dawn Patrol. Too many awesome characters...

Anyone read The Gentlemen's Hour? Good stuff. Is Winslow planning on writing more shit about Boone & Co.?

I thought Savages was coming out in May until I find out today it's actually July. Broke my fucking heart...
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post #450 of 3038
3/23/10 at 7:34am
I finished Drama City by George Pelecanos, I liked it but it felt kind of underwhelming to me. It felt like Pelecanos is treading old ground, almost like a greatest hits album, I still liked it though, had flashes of greatness here and there.
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