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IRON MAN Is The Super Bowl MVP

post #1 of 98
2/3/08 at 10:48pm
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/13...MVP/Page1.html
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post #2 of 98
2/3/08 at 10:50pm
There appears to be no link in the article.
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post #3 of 98
2/3/08 at 10:55pm
Yeah, it does look a little video gamey. But, they've got time to clean that stuff up.
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post #4 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:00pm
It looked really Gamecube-y in the end.
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post #5 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:06pm
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I'm just not that masculine
Truer words have never been spoken.
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post #6 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:08pm
"Yeah...I can fly."

I don't know how many more ways you can say that Downey's perfect for this, but he's perfect for this.
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post #7 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:18pm
Yeah, Dev captured exactly how I felt about that last scene.

Let us all clasp hands and repeat: "In ILM we trust."
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post #8 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:20pm
Everything I see about this movie makes it look great.
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post #9 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:22pm
Yeah, that last scene is terrible too look at. The background especially.
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post #10 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:36pm
The trailers were the only good SB spots. This and Wanted look like alot of fun.
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post #11 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:37pm
Thing about that last shot... I don't know what they could do to improve it. It looks great. But completely unreal. Nothing based in reality about it, unlike the other shots.

Hopefully, this isn't the case of it coming off like the completed Burly Brawl in Reloaded.
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post #12 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:38pm
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Yeah, that last scene is terrible too look at. The background especially.
Jesus fucking Christ you people are never happy. You complain about the lack of perfect CGI the way you complain about the lack of Chistian Missionary rape in Rambo. If you saw that ten years ago you would have lost your shit. I don't fucking care if the CGI is less than HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS REAL quality as long as the story is well told and any sensible fucking person would agree that is all that REALLY matters. End of rant.
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post #13 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:43pm
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Jesus fucking Christ you people are never happy. You complain about the lack of perfect CGI the way you complain about the lack of Chistian Missionary rape in Rambo. If you saw that ten years ago you would have lost your shit. I don't fucking care if the CGI is less than HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS REAL quality as long as the story is well told and any sensible fucking person would agree that is all that REALLY matters. End of rant.
But we're not getting any of the story yet, are we? We are judging the quality of FX in this recent trailer. Several people have noted how it stands out amongst the other FX shots. It is a legitimate concern. Right now, it's so disconcertingly fake-looking that it could possibly be distracting in the actual film. If the story is so good that we overlook it, great.
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post #14 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:54pm
That was awesome, but let's be honest here--the WALL-E TV spot wins the MVP award. There's just no contest.
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post #15 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:56pm
And for those that care, the WALL-E spot!!

http://www.movieweb.com/video/V08BZ5sAPgOcCi
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post #16 of 98
2/3/08 at 11:59pm
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If you saw that ten years ago you would have lost your shit.
Yeah, but it's not ten years ago, is it?

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I don't fucking care if the CGI is less than HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS REAL quality as long as the story is well told
Well, good for you. Knock yourself out.

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and any sensible fucking person would agree that is all that REALLY matters. End of rant.
A well told story IS the most important thing in any film, no matter what the genre.

But if I see CGI that looks like a cut-scene from a 1998 Capcom video game, I'm calling it out.

Fuckin' deal with it.
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post #17 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:12am
I like that Iron Man, even in costume, seems to convey Downey's flippant attitude.

The WALL-E spot was great, too.
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post #18 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:20am
I doubt the last shot will be used in the movie. It looks completely out of context. Probably made for the trailer or the video game and they included it for the rednecks.

That Wall-E spot, holy fuck the dust is astounding.
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post #19 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by The Sickness View Post
Jesus fucking Christ you people are never happy. You complain about the lack of perfect CGI the way you complain about the lack of Chistian Missionary rape in Rambo. If you saw that ten years ago you would have lost your shit. I don't fucking care if the CGI is less than HOLY SHIT THAT LOOKS REAL quality as long as the story is well told and any sensible fucking person would agree that is all that REALLY matters. End of rant.
You're whining to me because I made a critique of the end shots of the Iron Man trailer? Are you seeing the iony?

They were bad fucking CGI shots. I don't care what you say. And I, in no way, saying anything about the quality of the movie itself. I'm very much looking forward to it. And all the other CGI looked aces! So, back off.
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post #20 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:27am
Both spots were pretty amazing actually. Totally agree with the last CG shot of Iron Man, but goddamn am I excited for that flick. And Wall-E just keeps looking better and better.
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post #21 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:34am
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it doesn't look sort of like a cut scene from a video game, it looks exactly like a cut scene from a video game
I was going to say that exact thing. It looks like a really bad ass Iron Man video game opening video. Other than that shot it was all fantastic.
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post #22 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:35am
it was good, but not as good as Wall-E as far as trailers and the Pepsi Max and Coke Parade Floates were the best commercials bar none.
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post #23 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:36am
I gotta say, seeing Iron Monger helmet-less and Iron Man in the same way during the final battle gave me bad Spider-Man flashbacks.

But, still, Robert Downey, Jr. is playing Iron Man in a big budget summer movie. That's STILL almost surreal to think about.
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post #24 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:50am
I liked the last shot. I don't know really how you would improve it. It's not that the CG is particularly bad, but in that shot there just appears to be a fuckton of it. Every element looks stylized in a way that doesn't really 'fit' with what has been shown before.

But it's goddam cool so who gives a shit amirite?
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post #25 of 98
2/4/08 at 12:54am
I thought Iron Man vs the tank was the best part of the ad. Also...I think Robert Downey JR as Tony Stark looks Super...Man.
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post #26 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:14am
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Hopefully, this isn't the case of it coming off like the completed Burly Brawl in Reloaded.
One of the best special features on the Matrix Box Set I just sold back to a pawnshop was the evolution of the Burly Brawl, and I was astonished to see that it actually looked better before they added polish to it for the finished film. There's an intermediate version cut to different music and with some different angles and such, and it's not only more kinetic (which is enough to make up for some of the sub-par effects) but the animation, for being a little rougher, felt more authentic.

But yeah, I was oddly disappointed when I know that Stan Winston and Co. had built fully functional suits for the show and the very last shot of the trailer was entirely computer generated. The effects were pretty damn good, but I think my knowledge of the production constantly mentioning how they didn't want to CG things up just for the sake of CG led me to go "awww" when I saw a completely computer generated scene being presented as the moneyshot of the advertisement.
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post #27 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:20am
Attention CHUD readers:

Commercials for CG heavy films use unfinished shots, which are labeled as 'trailer ready' in the FX pipeline.

It will look awesome I'm sure. There's no need to worry.
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post #28 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:23am
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Originally Posted by HunterRose View Post
Attention CHUD readers:

Commercials for CG heavy films use unfinished shots, which are labeled as 'trailer ready' in the FX pipeline.

It will look awesome I'm sure. There's no need to worry.

And whether that is true or not, there is still the example of the Burly Brawl in Matrix Reloaded. People saw the trailer and thought it would improve for the final film. It didn't.
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post #29 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:26am
Yeah that last shot...it's a bit dodgy, but you guys are exaggerating. No it doesn't look like a video game, especially not any Gamecube Game or a 1998 Capcom Game. As HunterRose point out it is also fairly common for trailers to use unfinished effects shots. I suspect that's what we're seeing here.
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post #30 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:28am
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Both spots were pretty amazing actually. Totally agree with the last CG shot of Iron Man, but goddamn am I excited for that flick. And Wall-E just keeps looking better and better.
That was cute, but I kept imagining Wall-E sticking his robotic dick into the nozzle of the shop vac. Don't worry, it's less perverted since they're both mechanical.

At least his little friend is okay. And that dust looks great. It even clumps up into little lumps too.

As for Iron Man, Jon Favreau and company seem to have a handle of the movie so far, so I'm not too worried.
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post #31 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by Isildur's Bangs View Post
Yeah that last shot...it's a bit dodgy, but you guys are exaggerating. No it doesn't look like a video game, especially not any Gamecube Game or a 1998 Capcom Game.
I mean more like a video game cutscene. Not actual game engine graphics. Because it looks amazing. Just not real.
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post #32 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:32am
Not exactly 100% real? Yes, but it doesn't look like a video game cutscene either.
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post #33 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:32am
That trailer was the shit.

Great game, too. Too bad you had to miss it, sports-hating losers.
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post #34 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:34am
Actually...I think it WAS a CG cutscene from the Iron Man videogame.

No no, I'm serious. Think about it. Not just the quality of it, but also where they are...it looks like a warzone or John Connor's future. It just doesn't fit with what we've seen so far of the movie. Not to mention that the final shot has Iron Man looking cool for the sake of looking cool.

I would bet my money on it being a cutscene from the Iron Man game, or game trailer, or the final shot of the movie itself.
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post #35 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:38am
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Actually...I think it WAS a CG cutscene from the Iron Man videogame.

No no, I'm serious. Think about it. Not just the quality of it, but also where they are...it looks like a warzone or John Connor's future. It just doesn't fit with what we've seen so far of the movie. Not to mention that the final shot has Iron Man looking cool for the sake of looking cool.

I would bet my money on it being a cutscene from the Iron Man game, or game trailer, or the final shot of the movie itself.
And that's what I mean. Video game cut scenes have come to look pretty nice. They don't care about realism, so they amp up the coolness of everything. That's the feeling I'm getting from that last shot. It doesn't feel like it's from the same film.

As I said, it looks great. It looks cool. I don't know what they could do to make it look better. It just doesn't feel real as the other shots in the trailer. And Radb, I agree with you. The filmmaking going on in those two shots doesn't feel consistent with the look we've seen in other trailers.
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post #36 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:40am
Yeah the cg at the end looked like crap, but overall I thought it was a really good thirty second spot.
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post #37 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:48am
Everything looks good, especially Downey, but I'd like at least a hint of what the conflict of the movie is supposed to be. Internal or external.

Wall-E is the only movie trailer that even seemed to be interested in hinting at the actual story, as opposed to a random selection of money shots.
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post #38 of 98
2/4/08 at 1:48am
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And whether that is true or not, there is still the example of the Burly Brawl in Matrix Reloaded. People saw the trailer and thought it would improve for the final film. It didn't.
Whether which part is true or not? Trailer ready FX versus finaled film FX?

Per your one Burly Brawl example, you could find, from this forum alone probably, 10 examples of trailer FX greatly improved by the time the show hit the big screen.
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post #39 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:02am
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Whether which part is true or not? Trailer ready FX versus finaled film FX?

Per your one Burly Brawl example, you could find, from this forum alone probably, 10 examples of trailer FX greatly improved by the time the show hit the big screen.
I meant whether or not the last shot is truly one that was OKAY'ed for trailer but is still being worked on (since we don't know for sure).

I don't doubt that FX get improved on. I know how rushed a pipeline can be when a studio wants a money shot in time for a hard deadline like the Superbowl. But my one example is enough to say that it is a risk. It has happened before. And it's not like Reloaded was some small movie without the time and budget to do better.
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post #40 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:08am
At this point, the last shot works if you think of it as a VR training scene.
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post #41 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:12am
Wait the burly brawl didn't look better on the big screen than in the two seconds you saw of it on your tv screen or in shitty streaming video or better but still really tiny quicktime format? They didn't even show the particularly bad parts.

Classic example of fanboy nitpicking. They were right, but still...
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post #42 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:15am
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But my one example is enough to say that it is a risk. It has happened before. And it's not like Reloaded was some small movie without the time and budget to do better.
Understandable. But in all fairness, the Burly Brawl was literally a VFX tech experiment on screen. I think the problems with that tank shot are just clean up issues. Iron Man's walk looks like rough animation, the background isn't fully rendered out, the lighting's off, etc. Just standard stuff imo, which is why I am guessing that it will improve. But, it's really weird that it's SO out of place with the rest of the trailer. Now, if it were, no offense to anyone, The Orphanage or Zoic doing the FX, I'd be worried, but it's ILM and after Transformers last year, I can't imagine them fucking up.
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post #43 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:15am
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Originally Posted by Isildur's Bangs View Post
Wait the burly brawl didn't look better on the big screen than in the two seconds you saw of it on your tv screen or in shitty streaming video or better but still really tiny quicktime format? They didn't even show the particularly bad parts.

Classic example of fanboy nitpicking. They were right, but still...
They had good sized Quicktime trailers. It wasn't THAT long ago.

EDIT: And way to choose one of the worst quality trailers I've ever seen. That was terrible. It was also the teaser for both films. Can you find me the one that came out for Reloaded closer to its release?
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post #44 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:19am
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Understandable. But in all fairness, the Burly Brawl was literally a VFX tech experiment on screen.
One of the reasons it was such a failure as a film. It was almost a VFX testing reel first.

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... but it's ILM and after Transformers last year, I can't imagine them fucking up.
Remember the Scorpion King in The Mummy Returns? Unless that was outsourced to a smaller house, that was ILM too. And that was a pretty high profile movie. The schedule must've been really tight for that one.
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post #45 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:20am
In 2003, 640 x 480 quicktime was top quality.
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post #46 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:24am
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I think the problems with that tank shot are just clean up issues. Iron Man's walk looks like rough animation, the background isn't fully rendered out, the lighting's off, etc. Just standard stuff imo, which is why I am guessing that it will improve.
I agree that the lighting and background is off, but I feel fairly certain that Iron Man himself is a live action element. It seems like it'd be rater pointless to animated him for a scene of him walking when they have a perfectly good suit built from the good people at Stan Winston Studios. Poor compositing is probably why it looks shitty.
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post #47 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by Isildur's Bangs View Post
I agree that the lighting and background is off, but I feel fairly certain that Iron Man himself is a live action element. It seems like it'd be rater pointless to animated him for a scene of him walking when they have a perfectly good suit built from the good people at Stan Winston Studios. Poor compositing is probably why it looks shitty.
But the suit moves like motion-captured Beowulf.
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post #48 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:30am
I suspect it's just the suit itself that looks CGI. Have you seen the still images of the actual suit? Not a one of them look real.

EDIT: Motion Captured Beowulf moved like real life.
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post #49 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:32am
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Originally Posted by Isildur's Bangs View Post
Have you seen the still images of the actual suit? They all look CGI.
I'm talking about motion.
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post #50 of 98
2/4/08 at 2:34am
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In 2003, 640 x 480 quicktime was top quality.
The official site had one that was 1000x540.
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