Battlestar Galactica: Season 4 - Page 3

It never actually focused completely on the soap opera stuff. Instead, the real problems in season 3 were due to disjointed storytelling caused by a major subplot being dropped.

I loved the whole season except the boxing episode. The first half is clearly stronger than the second, but I still think the whole thing works. They're not good at creating seasons that have arcs, but the show could have worse problems. It could be shit. Or Heroes. Or Stargate.

You could have left it at shit and it would have been fine.

I loved the boxing episode. It was an excellent depiction of folks working out their personal shit.

There was an ad on xbox live for downloading the season premiere, which is great since I dont get scifi channel

The boxing episode was actually one of my favorites from Season 3. I love that BSG is a sci-fi show that can put plot and season wide arcs aside and just focus on characters sorting shit out between them. I'm also very interested in general to the whole love/hate, sex/violence juxtaposition and I enjoyed that aspect of the episode.

Well according to Ron Moore, it's none of the principle characters:

"Eleven Cylons now have been revealed, so who is the 12th and final Cylon? Contrary to fan speculation, Moore swears it isn’t one of the show’s primary humans. Not Starbuck or President Roslin. Not Admiral Adama (Edward James Olmos) or his son, Lee (Jamie Bamber). Or even the ever-dubious, Cylon-shagging Gaius Baltar (James Callis). “Even if you guess correctly, it’s still just a guess,” Moore says. “There’s no way anyone can figure it out without knowing exactly where we’re going with the final season.”

Since much of that remains to be filmed, the cast is clueless. “We’re going along for the ride, just like the fans,” Trucco says. “We don’t even know where the four new Cylons fall in Cylon chronology. Are we predecessors? Or did we come afterward? Are we divine?” "


http://www.tvguide.com/news/080404-01

It's Billy. Billy is the final Cylon. Hey, it makes as much sense as any other theory. And, just for arguments sake, he was going to be supported by Madame President for whatever official purpose he decided to put his hand to, he was a good guy and it would be a total mindfuck to see him bust out at the end.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Starbuck. Yes, it seems like the obvious answer, but this isn't fucking Lost. Not everything has to be a surprise or pulled out of their ass. Also, in descending order, the President (another gimme, and the only reason Starbuck is higher on the list because of the cancer and prophetic dreams), Gatea (he's so damn nice. He just wants everyone to make good.) and Dee (no one expects her. The minx.). Or maybe it's Six and they pull a double cross on us! Oh shits! Seriously, though.

So you think Moore is lying in that interview?

I'd love if it was Boxy...we only saw him in the original 'mini-series' and never since...just hope he has a Cylon 'attack-Daggit' or 3 with him, whilst lounging, cross-legged, eating chocolate, on a throne made of human skulls.

Another thought. Where is Bulldog ? 'Hero' was one of the best stand-alone episodes of season 3. And Bear Mcreary did some of his best work there.

What subplot was that?

My half baked theory on who the final cylon is? Admiral Cain.

My half baked theory on who the final cylon is? Admiral Cain.

errr, why?

Bluelouboyle, use the quote button under the post you want to quote, because your posts are kinda hard to follow when you just copy-paste a sentence.

Remember the episode called The Woman King where Bruce Davison was killing the sick folks who wouldn't receive traditional medical care? That was intended to set up an arc about those folks (the Sagittarons) that would later play into Baltar's trial. But when they actually began writing Baltar's trial, they didn't like the way it was going, and they tried to edit the Sagittaron stuff out of the episodes they had already shot, which just made those episodes awkward and confusing.

Of course, something else that contributed to the disjointed nature of season three was Scifi's insistence that they do more standalone episodes.

No problem. This doesn't start until the 15th here in the UK, so I should probably stay out of this thread for about 10 days. Guess I'll re-watch some of the better episodes, no problem there!

That reminds me, which are your favourite episodes?

Mine are:

33 - first and one of the best

The Farm - love the final scene, when Anders gives Starbuck the arrow - the music is fantastic - although I can't really enjoy it in the same way now, for obvious reasons.

The episode when they discover the astronomical map to earth.

The one where Starbuck is trapped on desert planet, and has to escape in the Cylon fighter.

The hand of God - Great flying sequences.

And the first 2 episodes from season 3 - when Galactica jumps into the atmosphere.

I had forgotten about that, yeah and Felix was supposed to be involved somehow. That makes more sense as to why he had such an inexplicable character shift toward the end of season three.


As for my theory on Cain, it just seems like if they are finding ways to tie Razor to season four (outside of the Hybrids), it might make sense.

Like I said, half baked.

I guess its the nature of the beast that they have to change it up as they go. How many series have there been that put out a product not subjected to the whims of audience favor, exec muddling, or reconfiguring to account for failed plots? ...Not enough?

I think it's fairly obvious that the Cylons created 'us' and not the other way round...

I'm sorry...I obviously need to increase my medication...

Well just watched all 3 seasons to see if it lived up to the hype. Loved the first 2 seasons, liked the third. Still have to see Razor.

The reveal of the 4/5 of the final 5 had me puzzled. Reading up and Moore saying he came up with these 4 in S3 is a bit lame but if he can make a good backstory as to how and why it can slide. Did the drop clues to them being cylons in the 3rd season?

And given that Moore said the 12th Cylon isn't one of the main cast I'll say that cylon is on Earth already and we'll see it then.

If not Roslin, then I put my bets on Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson as the final cylon.


a) She was on a Cylon basestar with Boomer.
b) She was present (with Boomer) when Adama was shot.
c) She piloted the Raptor that took the group to Kobol.
d) She discovered New Caprica.
e) She and Athena found the Lion's Head Nebula.
f) She was present on the dying basestar.
g) She quickly offered to be Athena's ECO.
h) She always seems to be nearly blowing up, but escaping each and every time.
i) She was on the Galactica when most everyone else was hanging down planet-side. Which seems to have bumped her way up on the pilots' roster - to the lead Raptor pilot?
j) She has become the (one of the?) flight instructor(s) for the newest batch of pilots.

So, what really sticks out at me - she's always involved with the major discoveries/and several of the big happenings. She's been slowly working her way up the ranks (which the other four have already or seem to be in the process of doing). She's constantly close to Boomer/Athena, which, being a Final Fiver, might be part of her "programming"/Cylon god status - to keep an eye on the "true" Cylon, Athena 8, and the first Hybrid, Hera, on board.

Personally, I think Starbuck is a hybrid.

After watching "Maelstrom" again and all the stuff her mom (and Leoben) were saying..it really made me think. BTW, that was an stellar episode. I also love "Unfinished Business" - the boxing ep. Love it. Love it lots.

After rewatching Season 3, I was laying my suspicions that Roslin was a cylon, since she was picking up on Athena's and Caprica Six's projections.

But the interesting possibility is that the 12th Cylon is already on Earth. Or Earthlings are the 12th model.

This is probably gonna sound dumb (I couldn't find anyone else talking about this so if it's just treading old ground I'm sorry) but who is that in the S4 commercial sitting in one of those Cylon pods? The one saying "You will lead them to their doom" or whatever. It looks like Selix.

Already watched the premiere twice thanks to a screener, and yes, definitely prepare for awesome. Those season 3 doldrums appear to be over.

I like the way you think.

Whoa...as I'm studying, watching Battlestar Galactica on the teevee (background noise) and the "Legend...or Leader" spot featuring Lee Adama comes on.

Something else has hit me. Knowing there is a rumor of Roslyn's death mid-season, I realize the "Leader" part is showing Lee being sworn in.....as President?

Possibly?

Kent, the person in the Cylon pod is some kind of precog or mother figure on the Cylon base ship. She was in the third season when Baltar wandered around on the Cylon base ship if I remember right.

Summer smile, you know your stuff, but I think Racetrack's prevalence owes more to her being a good looking female on a science fiction show.

There is. Only. Oneman. Who canbe. The 12th Cylon:

Teh SHATNER!

Yeah, I knew about that "mother figure" thing. I just looked up and it kind of surprised me. I actually wondered if that was the lady in the pod but it just didn't look like her from that angle.

That's one interpretation, sure. But what if Lee was manipulating Romo? As Cylons are wont to do? And I miss the Fat Suit.

Well then. They're never going to be able to top that firefight.

Nuts to the firefight, they'll never be able to top the total eye fuck that Raider gave Anders.

But seriously, that firefight was beyond excellent. Absolutely thrilling, and the eye scan was great.

Or that Anders gave the Raider.

I'm totally on board with Starbuck right now. Fuck Roslin.

Man what a way to come back. And yeah, it's looking more and more like Roslin is the fifth. Although I like Summer's theory about Racetrack.

The stuff with Gaius is surprisingly heartfelt, I hope they stay away from the back and forth persona of Baltar and give him a deeper role this season.

That shot from the Viper cockpit launching from Galactica and out into the battle was fantastic.

I think they planted plenty of seeds tonight as to who the fifth Cylon could be. Roslin? Kyra? Lee? All three had little moments where it seemed possible. I'm glad they didn't just telegraph one person. And the Baltar stuff was stellar.

And dammit if I didn't think they were actually going to off Adama there for a moment.

Congrats on 1000, Swice!

Also, I find it very interesting that Lee is becoming more accepting of the Cylons, given the hard line he's held all along. That, with him being poised to move into government, should make for a decent arc for him.

Yeah, I'm liking the direction they're taking Baltar this season.

I went looking for this on Live, but couldn't find it. I NEED to see that firefight in HD, dammit!

What a great episode. Almost too much to take in, it went by so fast. I may have to watch the midnight repeat.

Loving the discussion on the possible 5th. But i've always been bugged by that note Adama was given ("There are only 12 Cylon models"). Who gave it to him? How do they know, exactly?

And then there's the usually right Leoben. "Adama is a Cylon"?

Jesus! Joseph Adama?

I always assumed it was Baltar who left the note, based on what Caprica Six had told him before the attack. No real evidence to support that, though.

I'd be leaning more toward Zac, but it seems to be a bit on the nose that Lee would bring up a reference to Zac being a Cylon in the season opener. I'd like to believe his name was spoken because he's part of their history, not part of their future.

If we're going strictly by the Adama reference, the last could be Dualla.

Anyway, I'm doing the rewatch right now.

Goddamn, thats crafty.

Its not available to download till april 5th.

I've been leaning in this direction since Romo brought up Joseph's fascination with humanity's capacity for inhumanity.

remember, Moore insists none one of the main characters are the final cylon:

"Moore swears it isn’t one of the show’s primary humans. Not Starbuck or President Roslin. Not Admiral Adama (Edward James Olmos) or his son, Lee (Jamie Bamber). Or even the ever-dubious, Cylon-shagging Gaius Baltar (James Callis). "

www.tvguide.com

Thomas Zarek.

The real question is how does that third, shadowy party, the one behind the final (or maybe first?) five cylon models and the number Six in Baltar's head and this Kara appear to be omnipotent?