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post #201 of 936
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I'm still trying to figure out how it all ties into the oft-repeated "This has all happened before and it will all happen again" mantra.
It seems to me that humanity leaves their home planet (kobol or earth), creates the 12 colonies, and then leaves for a "final planet" (kobol or earth). My guess is that they do this back and forth for eternity.
post #202 of 936
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It seems to me that humanity leaves their home planet (kobol or earth), creates the 12 colonies, and then leaves for a "final planet" (kobol or earth). My guess is that they do this back and forth for eternity.
Either that, or this is all an elaborate lead up to the Peter Pan story, and we'll discover that 'Earth' is a small island populated with Injuns, Pirates, Mermaids and Lost Boys.
post #203 of 936
I just really hope this doesn't end up being one big Shaggy God story.
post #204 of 936
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I just really hope this doesn't end up being one big Shaggy God story.
If Fred MacMurray is revealed as the final cylon, this series will transcend its medium entirely and elevate us all to a new plane of existence.
post #205 of 936
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I just really hope this doesn't end up being one big Shaggy God story.
Well in a way it already is. The colonists worship our ancient Greek gods. Either they are our ancestors or we are theirs or both (as in my infinite loop post above) It seems almost certain that the nature of the Cylons and their religious beliefs is going to radically change the perceptions of mankind concerning their origins and beliefs by the end. Someone earlier said that they think the final five cyclons created man. I think that is a good bet.
post #206 of 936
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Has there ever been any discussion/relevations regarding the personality of the 12 cylon models/lords/colonies. Meaning, is the Sharon cylon's predisposition towards relationships (as mentioned in an old episode I believe) similar to say stereotypes or belies of a certain Lord of Kobol or one of the 12 colonies? Or say the Sagitarans and their love of religion, would that be somehow mirrored by a cylon model?

If there is some relationship, you could argue that each of the revealed four of the final five corresponds to some Lord of Kobol and has some identifying trait. I don't know that this is the case but I think it would be interesting if there were parallels between the cylon models and the lords/colonies.
Moore and Eick actually talked about that for a bit in the special they showed a week before the season premier. Like I think they said Leoben is more spiritual and the Number Three's are more controlling. I don't really remember what they said about the rest.
post #207 of 936
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It's true, the models so far seem to have certain traits in common--Sharon's the nurturing one, Six is the seductress, Leoben is the most spiritual, D'Anna seems to have a curious/investigative streak, buttoned-down-suit-wearing-guy seems to be the officious and bureaucratic one, the black doctor dude...is the technically inclined one, maybe? And Brother Cavil is, oh-so-ironically, the skeptical one.
post #208 of 936
Based on the personalities of Tyrol, Tigh, Anders and Tory, what might the traits be that they are indicative of?
post #209 of 936
One of the episodes basically said that the Cyclons only see 12 different people when they look at the whole of humanity and each model is based on these archetypes
post #210 of 936
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Based on the personalities of Tyrol, Tigh, Anders and Tory, what might the traits be that they are indicative of?
I can't rightly say about the others but Tigh would be indicative of badassness, that's what!
post #211 of 936
/Puts on nerd helmet and prepares for ridicule./

Based on the ancient Greek gods:

Tigh=Ares/Mars
Tyrol=Hephaistos/Vulcan
Anders=Hermes/Mercury
Tory=Demetra/Ceres.

I'm only certain about Tyrol, though.
post #212 of 936
Those actually fit really well, stelios. I've been trying to come up with some possibilities but I've been struggling.
post #213 of 936
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It's true, the models so far seem to have certain traits in common--Sharon's the nurturing one, Six is the seductress, Leoben is the most spiritual, D'Anna seems to have a curious/investigative streak, buttoned-down-suit-wearing-guy seems to be the officious and bureaucratic one, the black doctor dude...is the technically inclined one, maybe? And Brother Cavil is, oh-so-ironically, the skeptical one.
I like this idea, but I wonder if it's that cut-and-dried. Remember that Caprica 6 had to save Hera because Boomer was going to strangle her. The Sixes we've gotten to know seem to have a very spiritual/sympathetic side to them, as well.

But if we follow through with your post and stelios' post...

Six = Aphrodite/Venus
D'Anna = (strangely enough) Athena/Minerva
Sharon = Hestia/Vesta or possibly Hera/Juno (for the mother imagery)
post #214 of 936
That was awesome, great opener.

The battle scenes at the beginning were incredible, dont think they top the effects from the episode were they destroy the Cyclon Regeneration Ship (cant remember the name of the episode) though. That shit was beautiful.

Did anyone else jump right out of their seat when Tigh shot Adama? I think I actually made an involuntary "gah" noise of some sort.
post #215 of 936
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I like this idea, but I wonder if it's that cut-and-dried. Remember that Caprica 6 had to save Hera because Boomer was going to strangle her. The Sixes we've gotten to know seem to have a very spiritual/sympathetic side to them, as well.

But if we follow through with your post and stelios' post...

Six = Aphrodite/Venus
D'Anna = (strangely enough) Athena/Minerva
Sharon = Hestia/Vesta or possibly Hera/Juno (for the mother imagery)
Let’s try to fill out the roster then:

The final Cylon = Zeus.

Tigh = Ares. Only worthwhile during combat and perpetually angry.

Tyrol = Hephaistos. The only perfect fit.

Sharon = Hera. The only Cylon that managed to give birth.

Anders = Mercury. Just because.

Leoben = Apollo. Apollo is closely related to prophecy and divination and Leoben always seemed to have some grasp of future events.

Six = Aphrodite. Another great fit.

Brother Cavil = Poseidon. He always acted a little above the other models and this fits with Poseidon’s status among the gods.

D’Anna = Artemis. Or is D’Anna/Diana too obvious?

That leaves Tory = Athena. That may switch with D’Anna as her character gets more developed during season 4.

Black doctor guy = Dionysus. Not so much the party god angle but the one associated with fertility. He ran the clinic in Caprica after all.

Suit guy = Hades. Continuously gloomy and officious.

That seems about right to me. You may proceed with stealing my lunch-money now.
post #216 of 936
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
Let’s try to fill out the roster then:

The final Cylon = Zeus.

Tigh = Ares. Only worthwhile during combat and perpetually angry.

Tyrol = Hephaistos. The only perfect fit.

Sharon = Hera. The only Cylon that managed to give birth.

Anders = Mercury. Just because.

Leoben = Apollo. Apollo is closely related to prophecy and divination and Leoben always seemed to have some grasp of future events.

Six = Aphrodite. Another great fit.

Brother Cavil = Poseidon. He always acted a little above the other models and this fits with Poseidon’s status among the gods.

D’Anna = Artemis. Or is D’Anna/Diana too obvious?

That leaves Tory = Athena. That may switch with D’Anna as her character gets more developed during season 4.

Black doctor guy = Dionysus. Not so much the party god angle but the one associated with fertility. He ran the clinic in Caprica after all.

Suit guy = Hades. Continuously gloomy and officious.

That seems about right to me. You may proceed with stealing my lunch-money now.
That's actually pretty good, and I'd say Anders as Mercury is far better than a "just because." Remember that the guy was a professional athlete and obviously pretty quick on his feet.

I've never been quite clear on the Lords of Kobol/Olympian God references connection on this show. Do we know if it's a one-to-one relationship? With the occasional Hindu reference, it seems there's more of a free-floating polytheism going on among the humans. Maybe it varies by colony?
post #217 of 936
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Well, "Zeus" has been referred to as "Jupiter", so we know that they do switch around the names sometimes. The Greeks and Romans tended to do that with everyone else's gods, referring to, say, Thor as Zeus, or Horus as Hercules, depending on whom they assumed the local gods were standing in for. So you could carry that over if you wanted.

However, the show seems to go out of its way not to talk about the human polytheistic religion, and while I get why they do that, I do think it's something that's going to need to be addressed by the end of the show, when we find out exactly what the big picture is supposed to be here.

I find it ironic that people spent three seasons ranking on "Lost" (with some justification) for being so elliptical about its mythology, when BSG has been exactly the same way in many areas and it's hardly been mentioned.
post #218 of 936
Well, those last posts were what I guessed about the show, but some of them I couldn't guess or make them relate. Like the Anders/Mercury relation. And it makes sense.

The thing about this whole divinity thing is a patriarchal figure as Zeus.

And let's remember the words from the hybrid in Razor:

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Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of that revelation, bringing true clarity. And amidst confusion, he will find her... Enemies brought together by the apostle, enemies now joined as one. The way forward, once impenetrable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, though still in the shadow yet clawing for the light, hungry for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all, the seven, now six self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching, the agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join in the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.
Who would fit the bill as the 5th?
post #219 of 936
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Well, those last posts were what I guessed about the show, but some of them I couldn't guess or make them relate. Like the Anders/Mercury relation. And it makes sense.

The thing about this whole divinity thing is a patriarchal figure as Zeus.

And let's remember the words from the hybrid in Razor:

Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of that revelation, bringing true clarity. And amidst confusion, he will find her... Enemies brought together by the apostle, enemies now joined as one. The way forward, once impenetrable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, though still in the shadow yet clawing for the light, hungry for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all, the seven, now six self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching, the agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join in the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.
That description would more imply Hades, I think (rather than Zeus).
post #220 of 936
I'd forgotten how much I missed this show. And how mind-blowing the scope of the show is (especially on a t.v. budget).

With The Shield, The Wire, and Battlestar Galactica all ending this year, I'm about to watch my television viewing plummet dramatically.
post #221 of 936
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Well, "Zeus" has been referred to as "Jupiter", so we know that they do switch around the names sometimes. The Greeks and Romans tended to do that with everyone else's gods, referring to, say, Thor as Zeus, or Horus as Hercules, depending on whom they assumed the local gods were standing in for. So you could carry that over if you wanted.
It's more that the Romans co-opted the Greek gods as their own, but, yeah, those two pantheons have direct analogies. I'm more curious about the other traditions that were tossed in, like the Hindu-influenced theme song, which according to Wikipedia, includes a mantra from the Rig Veda. And then there's the astrological stuff, and the parallels to the Twelve Tribes of Israel (yeah, monotheist, but still...).

Another neat theological bit from Wikipedia:
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Saul Tigh (originally called Paul prior to production, but had to be changed due to legal issues[2]) persecuted the Cylons, then, after he lost an eye, later discovered that he was one. Similarly, Saul of Tarsus (later called Paul), persecuted the Christians, then, after he was blinded, decided to become one.
post #222 of 936
I don't think you can say that Tigh persecuted the Cylons. Persecution to me implies a position of power over your adversary. Semantics I guess. Anyway I think we're starting to read more things into this show than Moore intended.
post #223 of 936
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I don't think you can say that Tigh persecuted the Cylons. Persecution to me implies a position of power over your adversary. Semantics I guess. Anyway I think we're starting to read more things into this show than Moore intended.
Yeah, I suppose you're right about the persecution thing. I'm thinking that Moore loaded his show with these references for a reason, though. With all of the symbols and archetypes being thrown around on the show, it's custom-made for analysis, no matter whether he has the exact same thoughts on it as we do.
post #224 of 936
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I'm thinking that Moore loaded his show with these references for a reason, though. With all of the symbols and archetypes being thrown around on the show, it's custom-made for analysis, no matter whether he has the exact same thoughts on it as we do.
It's his version of a bait thread. Hey, if I'm gonna geek out at least it should be for a show this good and not Reaper.
post #225 of 936
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Also, I've been fighting it for three seasons, but I just can't anymore. I fucking hate Starbuck. She's a whiny, self-interested, self-destructive, irrational jerk who gets away with it because of the level of privilege she's granted from those in power. What reasons we have to care about her from the first season or so have long since evaporated. And this current cliffhanger just hammers it home. She's emerged from a situation that an 8-year-old would find suspcious, getting furious that people aren't trusting her random, inexplicable feelings over the more concrete evidence they've accrued so far, and not making even the slightest attempt to think things through or make her case. In spite of that, they're letting her run around as if nothing was out of the ordinary, resulting in her pulling a gun on the president because they won't let her have her way.

And that's not even considering the fact that the Razor Hybrid dude told us that she would lead them in the wrong direction. Fuck you, Starbuck.
post #226 of 936
That's it. Pistols at dawn. You're going down, villain.
post #227 of 936
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That's it. Pistols at dawn. You're going down, villain.
I'll be your second, stelios. No one talks about my Kara like that!
post #228 of 936
I'll stand with Prankster on this one. Kara's a strong character, but an annoying bitch of one at times.
post #229 of 936
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Also, I've been fighting it for three seasons, but I just can't anymore. I fucking hate Starbuck. She's a whiny, self-interested, self-destructive, irrational jerk who gets away with it because of the level of privilege she's granted from those in power. What reasons we have to care about her from the first season or so have long since evaporated. And this current cliffhanger just hammers it home. She's emerged from a situation that an 8-year-old would find suspcious, getting furious that people aren't trusting her random, inexplicable feelings over the more concrete evidence they've accrued so far, and not making even the slightest attempt to think things through or make her case. In spite of that, they're letting her run around as if nothing was out of the ordinary, resulting in her pulling a gun on the president because they won't let her have her way.

And that's not even considering the fact that the Razor Hybrid dude told us that she would lead them in the wrong direction. Fuck you, Starbuck.
Starbuck is an irascible little minx, ain't she? What she needs is a good spanking. I mean, what ... err ... who said that?
post #230 of 936
Interesting.

My wife LOATHES Starbuck. HATES. She calls her too "teethy". Seems to be a play on her overly huge smile and irrational bite against logic sometimes. I don't have the same disdain for her character, though. She's not my favorite by a long stretch (Baltar!!!), but she's so important to the balance of the show.
post #231 of 936
So late to the lovefest. And most bases have already been covered by most of you.

But one thing has been nagging on me since I finished this episode. Maybe my memory is hazy, but hasn´t Rosslin always been a strong supporter of Starbuck´s destiny? IIRC she sent her out to retrieve the arrow of Apoll(?) and has been rather reluctant to call her out for the brat she is because they seemed to share the same religious fueled ideals about the way to earth. If I recall that right, why is she all of the sudden so denying? At the end of the day Kara proposes a way to earth that seems to be consistent with the scriptures. Something doesn´t add up for me here, or do I just plainly remember things wrong?
post #232 of 936
She is. But she's also a strong supporter of throwing Cylons out of airlocks.
post #233 of 936
Who isn´t?

ETA: But why the reluctance (beside the obvious doubts like her ship, etc.) towards Starbuck if your alternative is a "road map" that doesn´t even seem to have an endpoint but rather only a vague hope? It is just that I am missing a certain "But what if she is right" attitude. Rosslin has made other hasadeur decisions before. But yeah, at the end of the day she does like the cylons rather out of an airlock than in the brig.
post #234 of 936
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It seems like the incredibly suspicious circumstances surrounding Starbuck's return should be more than enough reason not to follow her "feeling" that they should be going in a different direction. It would be like begging to fall into a Cylon trap. I mean, girl comes back from the seeming dead, in a brand-new ship modelled to look like the one she was flying, missing time, and with some kind of signal in her head to go along with the visions and crap she's apparently been having for her entire life? She might as well have come up out of the cockpit with "I'M A CYLON" tattooed on her forehead.

And yeah, I know, she's probably not a Cylon and it's probably an elaborate red herring, but even she would have to have doubts. It's one thing to be in denial, it's another thing to expect everyone to do as you say under those circumstances. There may be an argument to be made for Starbucks' case--like "if it is a Cylon trick, why have they made everything so clumsy and suspicious?"--but she's not making the effort. She just expects to be believed, because she's Awesome Starbuck and Adama is her surrogate daddy who spoils her, and everyone is disagreeing with her because they're mean.

By the way, this touches on the question, "What do you do if you find out, or have reason to believe, that you're a Cylon, but still wish to be loyal?" It's nice that TTA&T are talking about putting a bullet in their heads, but since you have no idea when your Cylon programming will kick in and cause you to do something disastrous, what's the point of delaying it? Seems to me the obvious thing to do is come forward and tell Adama and Roslyn everything (since they can't both be Cylons) and then at least offer to sit in the brig for the immediate future.

Of course, then you have the question of whether your programming will let you do that, which I really don't like because it removes free will from those particular characters.
post #235 of 936
If I were Roslyn, I'd have no reason to believe that Starbuck 2.0 isn't a Cylon. Adama jr. sees her die, and then she shows up several months later in a brand new viper? It's airlock time, baby!

Edit: What Prankster said.
post #236 of 936
I can understand the logic but at some point you'd think, if she WERE a Cylon wouldn't they have given her a better excuse for what happened? Wouldn't they have made sure that the ship she was getting didn't look brand new?

The fact is that her return is really weird but I don't think the oddities about necessarily make her a Cylon. The trouble is that the only thing human leadership can think of to blame for the change are the Cylons.
post #237 of 936
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By the way, this touches on the question, "What do you do if you find out, or have reason to believe, that you're a Cylon, but still wish to be loyal?" It's nice that TTA&T are talking about putting a bullet in their heads, but since you have no idea when your Cylon programming will kick in and cause you to do something disastrous, what's the point of delaying it? Seems to me the obvious thing to do is come forward and tell Adama and Roslyn everything (since they can't both be Cylons) and then at least offer to sit in the brig for the immediate future.
I imagine they're reluctant to do this because it might mean the airlock rather than the brig.
post #238 of 936
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I can understand the logic but at some point you'd think, if she WERE a Cylon wouldn't they have given her a better excuse for what happened? Wouldn't they have made sure that the ship she was getting didn't look brand new?

The fact is that her return is really weird but I don't think the oddities about necessarily make her a Cylon. The trouble is that the only thing human leadership can think of to blame for the change are the Cylons.
Well, there hasn't really anything (that we've seen, anyway) on the level of someone A) Coming back from an obvious death after several months and B) Claiming to have completely circumvented the laws of time and space (albeit with no real memory of it). Even in a universe filled with Cylons, Arrows of Apollo, hallucinations and weird dreams, that's a pretty damn inexplicable, almost supernatural, occurence. So of course their initial reaction is going to be that the Cylons are responsible.
post #239 of 936
Yeah, I dunno if its cylons behind Starbuck's missing time, but my immediate reaction is to think that its actually earthlings who want to send humanity (and the destructive cylon force) away from their otherwise peaceful, enlightened existence on Earth.
post #240 of 936
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I can understand the logic but at some point you'd think, if she WERE a Cylon wouldn't they have given her a better excuse for what happened? Wouldn't they have made sure that the ship she was getting didn't look brand new?
Well yes, like I said. But Starbuck's hasn't thought that through. She's throwing a hissy fit because she's not getting her way.

And yes, you'd think that whoever set up this whole scenario--Cylons, 13th tribe, God, Ben Linus--would have at least tried to give Starbuck a halfway-plausible explanation for why they should believe her. Unless, of course, the whole point is to send her on a rampage.
post #241 of 936
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Well yes, like I said. But Starbuck's hasn't thought that through. She's throwing a hissy fit because she's not getting her way.
I don't look at it like that at all. She losing it because she believes she's the one shot at finding Earth, it's a limited time offer, and that Roslin is fucking it up. That combination is leading to feelings of panic and anger.

I guess that could be described as "throwing a hissy fit becuase she's not getting her way", but I don't think her actions are motivated in the selfishness that phrase implies.
post #242 of 936
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I imagine they're reluctant to do this because it might mean the airlock rather than the brig.
But if you're a Cylon, and you're loyal to humanity, your life options shrink pretty narrowly anyway. I can easily imagine Tigh, at least, being happy to let them fire him out an airlock if it means he dies being faithful and helpful to the human race.

Furthermore, given the leniency they've shown to the Cylon who shot Adama in the stomach, I don't think I'd worry to much about being airlocked if I played straight with the bosses.
post #243 of 936
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I don't look at it like that at all. She losing it because she believes she's the one shot at finding Earth, it's a limited time offer, and that Roslin is fucking it up. That combination is leading to feelings of panic and anger.

I guess that could be described as "throwing a hissy fit becuase she's not getting her way", but I don't think her actions are motivated in the selfishness that phrase implies.
If she would stop and think about it for two seconds, she'd have plenty of reason to be suspicious of her magic Earth-finding signal. She hasn't rationalized it in any way, shape or form, even after trying to come up with explanations that don't involve her being a Cylon. What does she think, that FTL jumps are somehow affecting her memory? Where does she think this magic feeling is coming from, if it's not Cylon-related? The jumps are clearly physically affecting her.

I can buy being in denial over that, but literally expecting everyone to drop everything and do as she says, to the point of threatening the President's life? That's Starbuck being Starbuck. She always expects people to do things her way, and has done so throughout the series. She's a spoiled brat.
post #244 of 936
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If she would stop and think about it for two seconds, she'd have plenty of reason to be suspicious of her magic Earth-finding signal. She hasn't rationalized it in any way, shape or form, even after trying to come up with explanations that don't involve her being a Cylon. What does she think, that FTL jumps are somehow affecting her memory? Where does she think this magic feeling is coming from, if it's not Cylon-related? The jumps are clearly physically affecting her.

I can buy being in denial over that, but literally expecting everyone to drop everything and do as she says, to the point of threatening the President's life? That's Starbuck being Starbuck. She always expects people to do things her way, and has done so throughout the series. She's a spoiled brat.
I don't disagree, but I still think it's a fairly believable reaction regardless of the character.

As far as she remembers, nothing odd (aside from finding Earth and not knowing how) happened. She was gone, at least to her recollection, for a hand full of hours. She gets back to the Galactica and finds out that not only have months passed, but she's supposed to be dead. On top of that, she lacks any real explanation for what happened, but genuinely and completely believes that she can offer them salvation and that the opportunity is being squandered.

Should she take pause at the obvious question marks and inconsistencies? Yes. But would any person in that situation really be thinking all that rationally? Probably not. Especially if you believed time was running out and that using logical political or military channels would take too long.
post #245 of 936
That's Starbuck's character though. She gets pissed when she doesn't get to do whatever she wants (or more substantially, what she BELIEVES to be the right course of action). Normally the fact that she's an insanely good Viper pilot makes up for her antics but in some of these cases, that don't revolve around that her personality has blown up a number of situations.

From the very start, she's been impulsive, irrational, and self-destructive. In the mini-series alone she (rightfully) punches Tigh and then later refuses to accept his apology. Obviously she's had different motivations and different scenarios throughout the series, but I think her self-destructive tendencies have always been high on the list.

I don't think it's out of character for her at all to pick a completely random way to try to address this situation. If she's not in a Viper or killing someone, she's probably doing whatever it is she's trying to do wrong..
post #246 of 936
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Right. If this was the first time she had acted this way, it would be one thing; they're obviously trying to tie it in with her (newfound?) religious faith. But she's always been like that. She does impulsive, irrational things, then expects everyone else to adjust. And they do!

It doesn't matter if she's right, as she often is (like going back to save Anders, probably her noblest deed on the series to date, and still one that was motivated by self-interest)--the deck is stacked in her favour, because she's one of the heroes. It doesn't make her likable, though.
post #247 of 936
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It doesn't make her likable, though.
To you. It appears a large portion of us seem to like her just fine.
(I'm done stating the obvious)
post #248 of 936
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But if you're a Cylon, and you're loyal to humanity, your life options shrink pretty narrowly anyway. I can easily imagine Tigh, at least, being happy to let them fire him out an airlock if it means he dies being faithful and helpful to the human race.

Furthermore, given the leniency they've shown to the Cylon who shot Adama in the stomach, I don't think I'd worry to much about being airlocked if I played straight with the bosses.
You're confused. Boomer shot Adama and was later killed by Callie. Since then, she has been firmly with the Cylons, coming back to Galactica only when the Cylons and humans met over the algae planet. You're thinking of Athen, who committed no transgressions against the humans.
post #249 of 936
I don't think anyone on Galatica is thinking things through:

1. Galactica and the fleet are caught dead to rights, about to be destroyed by an overwhleming fleet of Cylons when

2. The Cylon fleet turns tail for no reason whatsoever (as far as Adama and Roslin know) BUT

3. They fiendishly send Starbuk to lead the fleet into a trap?!

4. Moreover, why send Starbuck in a brand new Viper?

Some other random questions/thoughts:

Why can't Starbuck remember the events depicted in Maelstorm? If she could she could tell Adama there is a 3rd party involved, one with supernatural abilities and a seperate agenda.

Did the Cylon Raider scan Anders, or did Anders send a command to the Raider to break off the attack? Anders could have acted according to subconcious programing, just like Sharon did in season one.
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Originally Posted by Owen View Post
You're confused. Boomer shot Adama and was later killed by Callie. Since then, she has been firmly with the Cylons, coming back to Galactica only when the Cylons and humans met over the algae planet. You're thinking of Athen, who committed no transgressions against the humans.
Yes, I know, but it's nitpicking considering that Athena said she had all of Boomer's memories. She's still a member of the race that annihiliated their homeworlds, and was a knowing participant in those events until she switched sides. The point is, if they've shown leniency to her, why wouldn't they do the same towards a group of people who, yesterday, were loyal officers and friends, and are now taking the most logical step to prevent themselves from doing harm?

Starbuck being part of a straightforward Cylon trap obviously seems unlikely, given that they could have wiped out the human race before she showed up, but there's still a lot of other stuff that could go wrong. Especially since the Cylons have said they're looking for Earth. Look at it the other way around: if it's an attempt by the friendly 13th Tribe, or God, or whoever, to lead them to Earth through Starbuck, couldn't they have presented her in a somewhat less suspicious manner?
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