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post #451 of 478
I'm sorry, but the attitude from Ice Cube about "owning and taking back" the word is such arrogance. Bill Mahr may be an asshole, but using the word doesn't mean anything outside of his context of using it. Ice Cube gets this much right when he said the word could be used as either a "tool or a weapon".

So tell us Ice Cube how the word can be a tool but Bill Mahr isn't allowed to utter anyway.

It's because people are afraid and sensitive to words that have a past. That's what all the bitching is about. Hearing, but not enough listening to what a word means in its deliverable intent.
post #452 of 478

Here's the other discussion he had with Michael Eric Dyson...

 

post #453 of 478
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Yeah, because he's a white male comedian he can get away with it much like Louis C.K. does. If it had been a white woman oh man there would have been torches and pitchforks.

 

Ice Cube had a very interesting and well-thought out take on this when he asked Maher if this was a comedy show or political show. Maher ducked and gave a sort of half-assed response, to which Cube then continued "I think its a political show". His point was that's why Maher shouldn't and can't use the terminology in question, his is a showcase for political discourse, which is absolutely the wrong format to use the n-word, as it legitimizes it. Whereas Louis CK is a comedian who's specialty can be described as social commentary, where it may very well be an appropriate discussion topic.

post #454 of 478

Meh. Maher will always be the second-billed star of Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death to me. That others choose to see him as some important political crusader is beyond me. And we've reached a point where his followers will actually defend his "right" to use a word designed to hurt and oppress an entire race of people. I don't get it.

post #455 of 478

He did something dumb. He was openly criticized for doing something dumb, including on his own show. It feels like enough.

 

There's this idea in the Internet outrage culture that a mistake FOREVER TAINTS someone. There's less a desire for justice than there is an appetite for ten pounds of flesh. It's unhealthy and it's beneath people that claim to be liberal-minded.

 

There are people in positions of power that are truly oppressing and harming women, people of color, children, the elderly and the poor on a daily basis. The amount of focus I've seen on Maher is akin to turning away from an approaching train to investigate jangling keys.

post #456 of 478

Louis CK is the hipster darling so he always gets a pass. Didn't he masturbate in front of a bunch other female comics. He's funny though.

 

Bill has always been a pompous asshole, but I like his show. Bill's shitty joke didn't oppress anyone. The outrage over it is overblown. But everyone was up in arms after the Kathy Griffin picture. When something like that happens everyone always is more alert to being outraged again over something else for a week or so. He made a bad joke in poor taste.

post #457 of 478

I agree Farsight. The real issues aren't easily solved so we focus on something trivial to make ourselves feel like we've done something when we've really done nothing.

post #458 of 478
Now we can get down to the serious business of discussing why some people in this thread keep dropping the "e" from his surname.
post #459 of 478
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He did something dumb. 

 

You know what's dumber?  People who get upset over a word. 

post #460 of 478

It's not just the word Maher used but it also highlights what people have been saying about Maher for years now.

 

Last Friday's episode was a complete PR show and Maher's apology was as insincere as it gets.

post #461 of 478
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It's not just the word Maher used

 

You're right, it's also about the sensitivity police and irrational thought. Maher apologizing is fake because he knows he didn't do anything wrong to begin with. 

post #462 of 478
I'm sure it was insincere. Guy doesn't want to lose his show and apologizing was, irrespective of any argument any of us could make, the quickest way not to do that. No one who is pissed at Maher actually cares about his sincerity. It's never about that with any of this stuff. They wanted him to answer to them and so he threw out some pride to make room for his pragmatism and did that.

I'll say this: I don't care for the way this shook out, but I also don't care for what Maher has become over the years, so if it gets him to come down from some of the ugly, baser aspects of his commentary, then fine.

Edit: Of course, as has been noted, if this was Amy Schumer, it would be fucking curtains even if she begged on her hands and knees.
post #463 of 478
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I'm sure it was insincere. Guy doesn't want to lose his show and apologizing was, irrespective of any argument any of us could make, the quickest way not to do that.

 

Since it's on HBO and therefore you don't have to worry about upsetting advertisers and the like, is this an actual issue?  At least it would be less of an issue, surely?

post #464 of 478

I think if enough people were pissed off, that would be reason enough. But then, this show kind of thrives on people bitching about it. I feel relatively certain this episode was the most watched, most discussed one since Milo Yiannopolis showed up, and that's probably the metric HBO values most. Maher would have to fuck up royally to get fired at this point, like Bill O'Reilly style.

post #465 of 478

Yeah, I think there's a large gap between a comedian making a snap joke call that was 110% the wrong thing to say VS multiple allegations of sexual harassment.  But that's me - individual outrage may vary.  Ice Cube touched on it being a matter of perspective in that he views the show as a political one and not a comedic one after all.

post #466 of 478

Things got interesting on the Overtime segment of Real Time last night.

 

Malcolm Nance confronted editor in chief of Breitbart, Alex Marlow....

 

post #467 of 478
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Things got interesting on the Overtime segment of Real Time last night.

Malcolm Nance confronted editor in chief of Breitbart, Alex Marlow....



That moment was intense.
post #468 of 478
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That moment was intense.

 

I can't say I was surprised to see Marlow get all defensive and lash out at Nance.

 

Marlow could have easily said...."well, I apologize and it's horrible and I adamantly refute any person that had threatened you and your family"..... but of course he didn't.

 

Marlow, as Eddie Izzard plainly pointed out, tried to turn it around on Nance and place the blame on Nance's previous comments for 'starting it'.

 

The asshole ghost of AB, like some trollish Deadman, seems to still be in control of his legacy.

post #469 of 478

Tweet presented without comment:

 

 

This N Korean thing is getting tense! I mean, I think it is, I'm on vaca. The ladies at my nail salon are freaking out, that's what I know!

— Bill Maher (@billmaher)

July 7, 2017
post #470 of 478

Ever wonder what somebody crawling up their own ass and dying there looks like?

 

Wonder no more.

post #471 of 478
Maher's back tonight and had an amusing bit where an Obama look/soundalike came on and performed all the crazy shit that Trump has uttered. Maher then asked what everyone thought the Right's reaction would've been had Obama actually said them. Interesting exercise.
post #472 of 478

Ralph Reed is one smarmy/slimy motherfucker....a fundamentalist Patrick Bateman, if you will. 

post #473 of 478
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Maher's back tonight and had an amusing bit where an Obama look/soundalike came on and performed all the crazy shit that Trump has uttered. Maher then asked what everyone thought the Right's reaction would've been had Obama actually said them. Interesting exercise.

Especially when Obama said "you can grab 'em by the pussy!" and made a tasteful hand gesture.
post #474 of 478

Oh man, I can’t wait to watch Bill Maher’s new Netflix special

 

 

post #475 of 478
Should be interesting this week...

post #476 of 478
It’s always weird when he pulls guys like Crystal and Martin Short a few weeks ago to talk politics.

Seeing Short especially talking Trump, etc was weird.
post #477 of 478

Russell Brand came across as a highly intelligent, yet manic, jackass. Not in a bad way, I guess. I was impressed that a Brit could, on command, provide a detailed, nuanced, and quite short description of what American gerrymandering is.  But I find his antic way of speaking annoying and all over the place. I don't believe he's quit the coke. 

 

Also, at this point in his life (and maybe mine), seeing Crystal talk about nearly anything is just... vaguely comforting. 

post #478 of 478

his beard is too neat and it's off-putting. Something about Brand's look makes it seem like he's an SNL character or something.

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