Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

If this tries to follow MGS2's storyline at all, it's going to be hilarious.

Guess I'll have to stop dragging my feet about moving into the next generation very soon.

I'll believe it when I see a stack of these on the shelf at Target.

I don't understand the mentality of people who are finally going to purchase a PS3 once MGS4 hits. Obviously the system has gone unwarranted for purchase from the time it was released up until now. That said, what system, whether it's a PS3 or a Wii or a 360, is worth spending hundreds of dollars just for one game experience? You wait this long, get a game, play it, and then... what? Go back to realizing there wasn't anything worth playing prior and let it collect dust?

Even amongst PS3 titles, nothing about this game looked terribly overwhelming, except perhaps the difference between promotional photos and early-build graphics.

Hopefully the 5000 people working on this have made some improvements over the last two years.

Yellowhare, you fail to realize this is MGS fans we're talking about.

Also, there's the whole Blu-Ray thing. It's been aaalllmost enough to get me to buy a PS3 already, and now MGS is just the little bit that pushes it over the edge.

Exactly. And as one of said Metal Gear fan(atics), I am honestly considering using my economy stimulus check on this sucker.

Yeah, what Kimbell and Gittes said. Between that economy stimulus check and my usual tax refund, I'm going to have plenty of money to burn.

Common sense says that I should just wait another year for when the inevitable 360 port happens and not waste money on the system, but dammit I can't wait that long!

Nah, now that the format war is over, I'd rather have that Blu-Ray player.

True. I am, admittedly, not a Metal Gear Solid fan, though it's not from lack of effort (I tried to play the PS1 game two different times, tried the GameCube remake). But my point was in regards to gaming, as a whole, whether it's someone waiting for MGS4 or Zelda or Bioshock. What's the appeal in one game? You spend $400, another $60 on the game, and when all is said and done you held out on spending $500 for one experience that is 10-20 hours long. If it wasn't worth buying before, 1 game certainly doesn't make it worth buying now. If there are other games, in addition, then alright; but holding off until June 12th is saying that everything before was either unplayable or mediocre enough that it didn't warrant in you wanting to drop the hard-earned money.

It baffles the mind.

Me? I've been mad at Sony for making so many shoddy decisions since the inception of the PS3 that I refuse to give them money this time. Sure, there are games on the PS3 that I would like to play, but I'm not dying without them (not to mention that I'm beyond swamped with the other 2 consoles, as it is). It's going to take a decent size of will power, however, for me to avoid God of War 3 or a new Twisted Metal. Still, though, I'm not going to spend close to $600 for a 2-game experience when I've already got these other consoles.

I refuse to adapt until DVD goes the way of the dodo. Why pay even $1 higher for something that still has such a low install-base? While it offers clarity, the jump from DVD to Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD) isn't nearly as significant (or necessary) as it was when we jumped from VHS to DVD.

Actually, the jump in pixels square inch is far higher from DVD-to-HD/Blu-Ray DVD than it was from VHS-to-DVD.

I don't think it's just for MGS4 that these people are getting the PS3 for (correct me if I'm wrong guys).I think that it's the tipping point game for people.There are other good games for the PS3 such as Resistance:fall of man, Devil May Cry 4, and Motorstorm.But this is the big game people want to play more then anything but it's not like it's like their PS3 is just going to sit there collecting dust once they beat MGS4.

Once people own the PS3 their going to buy more games.Not to mention the backlog of PS1 and PS2 games out there.

True, but the clarity upgrade in the 2 situations are vastly different. With VHS, you went from blurred image without the full picture and ability for special features, while Blu-Ray is essentially what we already have, just... clearer.

When you see a Pixar flick or even Planet Earth on Blu-Ray it'll all make sense to you. It's fucking amazing.

When I switch from HD-DVD to a regular DVD during back to back viewing sessions, I weep tears of blood.

MGS4 isn't going to be shit for moving consoles -- world-wide -- as compared to God of War 3. That's what I'm waiting for.

Shit, God of War: Chains of Olympus is getting me to finally get a PSP so I cannot wait for the PS3 version of that game. IT's going to be fucking rediculous.

I think if Sony had just ported GoW2 to the PS3, completely intact with no changes, it would have made a significant difference come launch day.

I've seen plenty of HD footage and I don't really like it; it's almost too clear, especially with the live-action movies. Plus, I don't feel like going through the process of replacing my 500 DVD's. And I don't feel like spending the extra money on another DVD player and the additional cost of the DVD's.

Except for the fact that if you have a HD set with HDMI, then the PS3 does a pretty sweet job of upscaling all of your older dvds. But to each thier own.

According to 1up...
"Sony will also be bundling together Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots with its 80GB PlayStation 3 hardware and a DualShock 3 controller for a late Q2 2008 release. The bundle will retail for $499."
Sounds good to me!

Dang, Yellowhare! Can't you concede one single point?

As for me, I've been holding out on the next HD format, played my 360 regularly, and am happy as it stands. However, the news today about a $500 Blu-Ray PS3 with MGS4 made me think about getting it finally. It's not that MGS4 is going to sell systems (which it will - this is one way that systems are sold) it's that it's the timing of the HD war coming to an end coupled with a new release in a solid gaming franchise.

People get excited, and finally make the step up to the new system.

That's what I did 2 weeks ago, and I'm fucking loving my PS3. All thanks to Toshiba siding with Sony.

God damn. Guess that'll be what I buy.

Damn Yellowhare, if your aversion to a next gen format is that it's TOO CLEAR, then I guess it really isn't for you. Now, you gotta understand that to the rest of us, clarity is a good thing.

Still, the MGS storyline has driven me so mad in the past that I won't be continuing it this time.

They better release MGS:Online with MSG4 and standalone. From what I've read about it, it seems like it won't be able to compete with COD4 and the like if it's a standalone game. But the gameplay videos have looked pretty cool.

The MGS3: Subsistence online play was so awful, I'm not holding out much hope for Metal Gear Online.

There's just something about seeing a lot of unintended detail due to the extreme amounts of clarity that distracts me.

And yes, to the top poster (forgot who it was, sorry), I can concede, but not on this topic. I just can't justify the extra expense for something I find to be a minor upgrade.

Right, because the filmmakers never expected the audience to see all this "unintended detail" when the movie was shown in theaters, on a screen that is TWENTY FUCKING FEET TALL.

You are a moron. Stop posting.

Hey did you guys here that if you buy the $500 version of Metal Gear Solid 4 you get a free 80 GB PS3 and Dual Shock 3 controller?

FUCKING SWEET!

*I'm just kidding PS3 guys, you know I love you.

There was an interview a while back, and I forget where (maybe the 1up Yours podcast), where the American producer for the game said a stripped-down version of MGS Online will be packed with MGS4 while a stand-alone game will be released at a later date.

I hope this is a good game but I'm cautious. I loved MGS and Snake Eater. Didn't mind Sons of Liberty too much, but it was obviously flawed.

It might sound silly, but I'm a sucker for the music in this series.

NERD ALERT: I actually saw these guys below live.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZfKA4b5SFq4

I'm with you in loving the Metal Gear music as well as MGS 1 & 3. Hopefully the delay from last fall to nearly summer has given them the time to perfect the game. The main thing that got to me about MGS2 (besides the beyond-convoluted story and Raiden's girlfriend) were the unending codec conversations. Every Metal Gear Solid game has had a lot of them as it is, but in MGS2 even if the characters were standing 5 inches from each other they'd have a codec coversation.

You're right. I concede. I am buying a PS3 tonight so I can happily enjoy the deep pits on Johnny Depps face that are so deep I can see the inside of his skull. Then, afterwards, I can use it to play that one mediocre game that they made for the system that I probably won't finish because, well, it's not very good.

You're God. Stop posting; start conducting more miracles.

Hey now kids, play nice.

It's my fault. I was too naive to understand that if I have an opinion to the contrary that it deems me a moron. Go figure.

Being someone that works with images and film on a daily basis, I'd rather critique film grains and image information in the film stock than focus on whether or not my DVD player is sending out the best possible representation of what was shot and processed; Blu-Ray and HD-DVD renders the latter obsolete. My PS3 is a godsend.

Back to topic: I've been a huge fan of Solid Snake since the NES days. Already pre-ordered.

And I can respect that. For me, it's simply the ends not justifying the means. Now, when DVD starts to go obsolete (via VHS: stop stocking, stop releasing new flicks, price comes down considerably with both players and movies), I'll be in the boat with everyone else.

That's cool. It is a pretty steep price to make the change. And if you don't have a TV that's 1080p, then it's even more of a caution to jump in. I'd suggest waiting until the end of the year, prices will drop.

It's not your opinion that's stupid, it's your rationale. If you want to tell me that hi-def formats are too expensive or too niche or whatever, then fine. But too much unnecessary detail? That's like telling your optometrist to make your new glasses three notches weaker than normal because you hate being able to see so clearly.

I actually already have the HDTV, but I bought it primarily due to wanting more screen-size, not because of clarity. I had someone who worked for Sony who was able to give me a ridiculous discount, so I jumped at the chance. But anyone who knows me personally knows that I don't sweat the details when it comes to HD. Is it nice? Certainly. But my set-up, while nice (surround sound, HD, over 60", etc.) could be a lot better, but I've never cared to invest in the knowledge of what cables to buy, what specific settings to set my sound to, etc. I guess it's just never been that important to nitpick over every fine detail to get the best optimization.

Now, for those who were waiting to make the jump? I totally get it. If I didn't have any next-gen system and the games on the PS3 catered to my tastes (see: they don't to mine; I'm just not a MGS fan or big on things like Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Motorstorm, Killzone...). But I already have the TV, have a 360 and a Wii and have limited enough time as it is to get to the games I really want to play, let alone adopt another system and be behind that much further on games that are sub-par compared to what I'm into.

And just to throw in another monkey-wrench, I was an early adopter of DVD when it first came out, so I'm not strictly coming from a place of resisting change or not recognizing a worthwhile investment when I see it.

If you paid attention to the bulk of my opinion, you'd realize that the bit regarding too much unnecessary detail was a small setback; it's a minor annoyance (just ask those crazy pr0nstars!), but it's not the main reason I refuse to "upgrade".

How about LittleBigPlanet? Prototype? SOCOM4? Tekken? UT3? Wipeout HD?

It's shit like this that gives 360 owners a bad name, with a library comprising mostly of FPS games - to say there's nothing on the PS3 that appeals only reinforces my opinion that 360 owners only want FPS games and nothing else.

The only thing the PS3 doesn't cater to, is your baseless dislike of the PS3.

In my opinion, of course. It also doesn't cater very well for people looking for a solid console-based marketplace.

It may seem crazy, but every single one of the titles you mentioned gets zero rise out of me. I will have a PS3 eventually, I think, but I still won't play any of those.

I'd play SOCOM but it better rock my nuts off if it plans to lure me away from CoD4.

I honestly don't see the reason to buy a PS3 if none of the games tempt you. LittleBigPlanet alone is worth the price of admission - and worth checking out since you enjoyed the Orange Box.

If you're happy with the 360 game selection and don't like HD - why not just stick with what you have?

It probably won't, but at least CoD4 being so brilliant should force them to up their game and make something worth watching if they want it to be the dominant multiplayer game for the console.

That bundle is pretty awesome. I'd buy that if I didn't have the system already.