Marines sure love puppies

Its a top story on CNN now. This guy is getting investigated by the marine corp now. What an idiot.

hahaha

and from the CNN story- "If the video is deemed legitimate, the lance corporal could face a charge of conduct unbecoming a Marine"

OMG he's a killer!

So what's the deal with the puppy tossing? Is this even legit?

So no one at ytmnd has used flash to paste Gimli's face onto the puppy yet?

Lazy cunts.

Seems fake?

This really, really wrecked me. All those videos did. Fuck.

If my feeling turns out to be correct and the moral outrage for this is bigger than when these soldiers raped and killed a girl along with her family, I'll quit humanity.

I'm kind of glad these things come out, so we know when our soldiers are fucking up and can get called out for it. But, I'm also pissed at how undisciplined our military is getting - apart from some soldiers acting like assholes (which has happened in pretty much every war) why the FUCK would any of them want to record any of the shit they're doing? Why bring a cellphone with a camera into a combat zone or theatre of operations? Isn't anyone in command monitoring what the troops are uploading onto the web? Fuck, is anyone in command, y'know, WATCHING what their troops are doing?

Court martials all around, I say.

But it's a puppy.
It looks exactly like an american puppy!!
A PUPPY!!!

We have a saying in Greece, "Fish start stinking from the head."

From the couple of years I've spent in the army and the numerous friends and family I still have there I can tell you that the behavior of NCOs and privates directly reflects the quality of their leadership. It's pathetic seeing officers using the "A few bad apples" defense to absolve themselves of the responsibility for their men's actions.

It doesn't help that the American military has had to start raiding prisons in order to have enough soldiers to continue fighting these pointless wars.

You're pretty right on that, Stelios. I have 5 friends who served along different nations armies, in different cadres, and they all said the same things about US soldiers when they worked with them. It's not very positive, and while it's clear that the majority isn't rotten, their reputation is pretty much well deserved...

And that puppy is either a plush animal or is the real deal. His paws looks like they were attached with Tie-Wraps.

Christ...

If it's the real deal, that guy should meet a french fire extinguisher. You don't kill puppies. PUPPIES.

Bah, Saddam would've probably killed the puppy anyway.
At least this way it didn't suffer...

I read somewhere that the Marine named in the vid was stationed in Hawaii. Hawaii. FUCK YOU.

This is one of those moments I'm glad my office recently blocked You Tube. I won't be clicking on that when I get home, no siree.

Oh, we'll post pics of the said puppy, flying in the air, just for you.

Animal people are scary.

I don't say this to condone what those Marines did, but are people really that surprised? We expect these boys to be killing machines one minute, then compassionate loving members of society the next? While there needs to be restraint from the soldiers, I don't think you can have it both ways. Next people are going to be shocked when an NFL player goes home after beating the shit out of another team, and smacks his girlfriend.

I'm trying to figure out what a douce is...

Hey, thanks for having my back, babe.

What? Marines are still human, and while they're trained to be precise killers in war, all of them are still meant to retain certain human morals. Like, what's right and what's wrong. As in "It's not right to rape civilians" or "It's not right to throw damn PUPPIES off cliffs".

A lot of people join the military just for the chance to play with guns and potentially have the chance to kill a man legally. Some of those same people probably threw puppies off cliffs back at home when they were kids, too. I'm not surprised something like this got "caught" on tape.

This sounds like I'm making a broad generalization about the military, but I don't mean it to sound that way. It's a small percentage of people I'm talking about here. But they're out there. I've known some of them, sadly.

There's a chance it's fake though, a moment where he could have dropped the live puppy and swapped it out for one they killed earlier.

Yeah, they're supposed to, but life doesn't work like that. You can't train and desensitize soldiers enough to be cold blooded killers and then be surprised that they now have a taste for murder, rape and torture.

I'm working on a Canadian reality show called Combat School right now; about soldiers training to be deployed to Afghanistan, and I'll tell you right now that the conditioning (or brain washing if you prefer) that these people go through to be able to do their job is extensive. Soldiers go in behaving like normal friendly guys, by the time they're ready to be deployed they are harsh, agressive, scary as all hell, and making sick violent jokes. And these are Canadian soldiers, our military is supposed to be more into peace keeping and less violent than Americans.

I was horribly upset when I watched that video, it made me feel sick as hell actually, but I'm a little amused that so many people seem so shocked. What do you think war is? What do you think these people do for a living? You wouldn't be surprised to see Ted Bundy or Ed Gein throw a puppy off a cliff.

I don't know where to start with that comparison.

(And I guess I would be surprised to see Gein do that. You're offending the military AND graverobbers with that statement.)

And again, some folks who dug around are saying this guy's doing maneuvers in Hawaii.

I'll admit it is an extreme comparison, but I don't think it's too far off the mark. These people are trained to be murderers.

We like to sugar coat that and say it's different in war, there are different rules, these people are the enemy, blah blah blah, but killing people is still killing people. You have to be either really well trained and desensitized or really crazy to be able to do that.

That's what snopes is saying. There's also pretty good reason to believe it's a fake.

I didn't see anyone above being "shocked" by this. But it's kind of like saying that people shouldn't be shocked when a kiddie rapist gets out of jail and molests another kid. Of course, no one's going to be shocked, per se. That doesn't mean it's not worthy of some sort of reaction.

I don't think the desensitization excuse makes all that much sense, either. If military training somehow leads to undisciplined, violent civilian behavior, the court system and prisons would be flooded with veterans who committed atrocities after returning home from war. People have been undergoing military training since the beginning of time, but this is the first "soldier throws a puppy in a ravine" story I've ever heard (if it's even true). You'd think if there were a predisposition toward this sort of thing, I could cite countless precedents for it.

Or has an underground place for illegal dog fights, eh?

Also, whose not to say that puppy had ties to Al-Qaeda? (What? I couldnt think of a good joke for the prison humor thread in the humor forum).

Seriously now, I think its a fake video, but if its real, everyone involved deserves to be court martialed.

I just don't see how this is fake. I don't see a toy striking that "picked up by the scruff" pose, and then being able to flail once thrown. There's not enough time in the shot to "swap" the dog for a toy. Marines shooting shit on their phones or whatever aren't going to ADR yelping puppy sounds. Sorry, this thing seems real.

You have a really narrow view of what a soldier is and what murder is.

Yes, soldiers have never commited unimaginable atrocities before. Preposterous!

There's no training required to be an asshole. Acts of cruelty are committed by people from all walks of life. And there's nothing to stop these types from joining the military. Well, there's psych tests, but most of these people can function normally enough in society and still be the most cruel, vile human beings you've ever met. Give them a camera and they're likely to film themselves doing the same things they would be doing back home after throwing back a few beers and having nothing better to do on a Saturday night. The only difference would be the uniform they are wearing.

Where did the whole image of throwing a cat in bags in a river come from? Was that standard practice to dealing with cat overpopulation back in the day?

I think I have a pretty good understanding of what those words mean. I simply consider killing people in a war to be just as bad as killing people anywhere else. Government sanctioned murder is still murder. You can call it eliminating a target, or engaging the enemy, and you can say it's legal and even give people medals for it, but that doesn't make it any better; or change the fact that you need to be really cold and desensitized to be able to do it.

Not all soldiers who go into war end up killing anyone, but they're all trained to do it.

Did I say they haven't? Military training doesn't necessarily make one more inclined toward committing them, though.

If it did, the incidence of non-wartime violent crimes perpetrated by veterans would be noticeably higher than the incidence of non-wartime violent crimes committed by non-veterans. As far as I know, this is not the case. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

That's totally true, too. Some people are just assholes.

Read your definitions again.

If you kill somebody in self defense, do you consider that murder? Re-read your definition.

Are all policemen who have killed somebody in the line of duty murderers? Re-red your definition.

Soldiers are trained to do their duty. Yes, sometimes that duty involves taking another human life. You seem to suggest that soldiers are trained to be bloodthirsty, cruel, inhuman merchants of death. I've known plenty of soldiers who've had to take a life (my father being one of them) and the reactions and thoughts are a lot more varied than you suggest.

I'm not saying all soldiers are murderers or bad people, or that killing people is always wrong no matter what. I'm saying that they are trained to be killers and to be desensitized to violence as much as possible, and that that can easily lead to more violent behaviour in general.

And DaveB, I don't know for sure how war vets compare to civilians in the violent crimes department, but there are plenty of stories out there about vets who have committed violent crimes after coming home.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us...=1&oref=slogin

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/ju...ilitary.ukguns

Once again, not saying all soldiers are bad people or bloodthirsty murderers.

I'm saying I think they'd be more likely to be comfortable with throwing a puppy off a cliff than your average civilian would, since they are trained to be violent and desensitized to violence. I know there are a lot of nice guys who join the army, but I think you'd be a lot more likely to find puppy throwers in a group of hardened soldiers than you would in a group of guys who design software or something.

And as Nexus-7 said, a lot of these guys join the military just for the opportunity to use guns, kill people without getting in trouble, and be douchebags.

Hey, have you even considered that maybe the dog was a trained soldier killing dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkDrraiI1Lw

I get your point. Some soldiers are trained to enjoy killing the enemy (think Jarhead, the theatre scene), but we're speaking about a puppy. Killing puppies for fun is close to killing women, children, disabled.

That is pretty close to psychopathic, and most soldiers that were somehow involved in killing others don't become like that.

Man, Cobretti's gonna rip Werewolf Girl's head off in a testosterone-fueled rage if she keeps it up. (I kid.)

Count me as one who's on the "the military attracts its share of assholes" side over "the military creates assholes" side.

But it only matters if they'd be more likely to be comfortable with throwing a puppy off a cliff than they would have been had they not enlisted. Basketball players are more likely to be tall, but not because playing basketball makes you grow.

If you're saying violent people are more likely to sign up, that may be true, but it looked earlier that you were saying the military creates violent people, and that's different.

How much do you really know about the military? Because it seems you're going off of what you've seen at the movies or read in books.

You're assertion that the military is attractive to a certain psychological profile is true to an extent but maintaining that what they teach you makes you "more violent" or "more desensitized" is a falsity. How many cases of animal cruelty do you see in the United States every day? A lot-perpetuated by men, women, children from a wide range of backgrounds.

Funny story: Yesterday, one of my NCOs brought a puppy to work. Named him George. Everybody was all like, playing with it and stuff and making silly noises. AND THEN WE FUCKING MURDURED THAT PUPPY. Because we're bloodthirsty killing machines, the lot of us, we've all been brainwashed, apparently. Not sure when that would've happened (you'd think I'd remember something like that), but I guess some people who don't have a fucking clue how the military operates would definitely know better than me. I guess watching war movies will tell you everything you need to know, right?

That was a lie about murduring the puppy, by the way.

This one.

I know a guy who signed up from my hometown because he "wanted to feel what it was like to shoot a raghead" after 9-11. I certainly agree that joining the military while being an asshole can exacerbate the asshole factor, but murderous assholes will always exist, regardless of whether or not the state gives them a green-light to kill people.

I'm sure there are plenty of cases of assholes joining, thinking they're the toughest person alive, getting chewed up by the training process, and get dumped out as a mentally unstable ball of emotions, and those are the ones you probably want to worry about.

But I also know plenty of genuinely good people who signed up, and they all reacted differently. While the pacifist/war-hater in me wants to scream "How in the fuck can they be good people when they signed up for a job that would allow them to kill other people?", the part of me who grew up with or got to know these people realizes that a) half of them signed up before Iraq was even a glimmer in Cheney's eye, b) over 2/3 of them are either no longer or have never been ground-pounders, and c) they honestly feel like they're doing their due diligence for the country.

Then the pacifist/war-hater part starts spouting shit about how they're still willing, brainwashed cogs in the military-industrial death machine, but I digress. I'm trying to be as understanding as I can of their decisions, even if I don't agree with them.

But it's safe to say that the same kid who jerked off with freshly-eviscerated bullfrog corpses and kicked litters of kittens to death when he was ten is more than likely not going to have any issues with headshotting a civilian at 500 yards, much less tossing a puppy off of a cliff. Different strokes for different folks, and while I'd love to see more mental health evaluations and oversight for our enlistees(for their benefit as well as everyone else's), it'll never happen.

I'm sort of saying both, actually. I do think that most people who join the military are violent to begin with and are looking forward to getting the chance to use guns and blow shit up, but I also know from my job that a large portion of the training they undergo is to get them used to the idea of shooting someone, and the idea of being shot themselves. Being aggressive is also a huge part of being a soldier, and they are encouraged to be as aggressive as possible. I don't think that all of them would be able to turn that aggression off at the end of the day.