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post #51 of 79
3/6/08 at 4:33pm
So he still brought a puppy to work? Aaaaw...

I think that using this as the yardstick in which to judge the miltary forces is damaging to everyone. Let's just say that there are douchebags in all walks of life, I've met shitstains who'd sooner stab you than help you out walking out in the world and I've met wonderful soldiers who are some of the best people in the world.

Does it surprise me that they did this? A little, but shit like this goes on all the time, it's just the others don't happen to have a camera filming it all.
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post #52 of 79
3/6/08 at 4:38pm
Yeah he was a cute little german shephard. <3 puppies
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post #53 of 79
3/6/08 at 4:41pm
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How much do you really know about the military? Because it seems you're going off of what you've seen at the movies or read in books.

You're assertion that the military is attractive to a certain psychological profile is true to an extent but maintaining that what they teach you makes you "more violent" or "more desensitized" is a falsity. How many cases of animal cruelty do you see in the United States every day? A lot-perpetuated by men, women, children from a wide range of backgrounds.
I'm going off of what I've seen from real Canadian soldiers in Petawawa, training for deployment to Afghanistan. I've been watching nothing but stands, drills, LAV training and live fire exercises for the past 3 months.

I formed this opinion after listening to the soldiers conversations, after action reviews and a bunch of really boring power point presentations about the effects of adrenaline and proper use of force. Is it really that hard to believe that soldiers are trained to be aggressive when aggression and violence are a key part of their job?
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post #54 of 79
3/6/08 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl View Post
Being aggressive is also a huge part of being a soldier, and they are encouraged to be as aggressive as possible. I don't think that all of them would be able to turn that aggression off at the end of the day.
But that aggression is always supposed to be tempered by discipline. An uncontrollably aggressive soldier would be a danger to his comrades.

In my time in the military, I encountered no more or no less raging macho assholes than I have in civilian life. People that thrive in an authoritarian environment tend to gravitate to the military, true, but no army wants or needs soulless bloodthirsty automatons. Duty, training and skill are emphasized over mindless killing. At least in my experience.
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post #55 of 79
3/6/08 at 4:50pm
Just want to quickly add, combat, obviously, can change a soldier. Blame war, not the military.
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post #56 of 79
3/6/08 at 5:14pm
Jacob Singer for the win! Nice summation of the point I was trying to make. There's more to being a soldier and learning how to be a solider than "killing"

And you're point about combat was spot on. I was going to include some of my father's (and Uncle, Grandfather, and Brother who all saw war from frontline combat roles) thoughts on war and my own personal opinion about the effect it has on a soldier but I was afraid it might steer the conversation somewhere else.
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post #57 of 79
3/6/08 at 5:46pm
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Just want to quickly add, combat, obviously, can change a soldier. Blame war, not the military.
That's really all I'm trying to say, although I think war and the military are pretty inextricably linked.

The experience does change people, and can lead to post traumatic stress disorder and/or violent behavior in some cases. Just look at that New York Times article.

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But that aggression is always supposed to be tempered by discipline. An uncontrollably aggressive soldier would be a danger to his comrades.
It's supposed to be. I'm sure it usually is. But a look at the soldiers in that puppy throwing video show that this is not always the case.
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post #58 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:18pm
That was awesome.
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post #59 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:30pm
I wouldn't say they're encouraged to be as aggressive as possible. They're not trained to be wild ferocious animals. They are trained to attack on command, not to be dangerous at all times. Any other way they'd be dangerous to their own.
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post #60 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:35pm
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Count me as one who's on the "the military attracts its share of assholes" side over "the military creates assholes" side.
Add to that the difficulty the various branches have been having meeting their recruitment goals, and how they've been gradually lowering their standards to admit more and more marginal humans to the forces in order to serve as cannon fodder in the desert. Twenty years ago, guys like this would have been filtered out. Now, not so much.
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post #61 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:37pm
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I get your point. Some soldiers are trained to enjoy killing the enemy (think Jarhead, the theatre scene), but we're speaking about a puppy. Killing puppies for fun is close to killing women, children, disabled.
Gotta agree with Myers and Jacob on this one. I'm no expert on the military, but it seems to me there's a huge difference between being disciplined in who to harm or kill and who not to, and killing a puppy. I can't agree with the "A soldier is trained to kill things, so he's desensitized to it" mode of thought. And I've seen people with no military background at all do horribly cruel things, so again, agreeing with Jacob, you can find someone who has almost no conscience in the civilian lifestyle as easily as military.
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Where did the whole image of throwing a cat in bags in a river come from? Was that standard practice to dealing with cat overpopulation back in the day?
Yeah, but way back when. My parents are in their 70s and 80s, and my stepdad does remember stuff like that from when he was a kid. He said that alot of the old farmers where he grew up used to get rid of entire litters that way. There was none of the more progressive "spay and neuter your pets" way of thinking - this was around the Depression era.
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post #62 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:42pm
Throwing puppies off cliffs is considered a delicacy in some countries.
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post #63 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:43pm
I guess there's no love for "Raul's Wild Kingdom" here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8C7dxTGRM
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post #64 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:44pm
Sorry, WHY is this on the main page?
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post #65 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:46pm
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Throwing puppies off cliffs is considered a delicacy in some countries.
If anyone knows a better way to tenderize puppy meat, I'd like to hear it.
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post #66 of 79
3/6/08 at 6:56pm
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If anyone knows a better way to tenderize puppy meat, I'd like to hear it.
I've got a couple of Korean recipe books...but what the FUCK is this doing on the main page?

(BTW, you can't tenderize a puppy in one SPLATT!!; that shit takes time)
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post #67 of 79
3/6/08 at 7:00pm
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but what the FUCK is this doing on the main page?
The initial poster messed up, and no one moved it.
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post #68 of 79
3/6/08 at 7:04pm
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The initial poster messed up, and no one moved it.
He keeps posting his crap in the wrong place.

And I'd like a Kung Pao puppy tonight.
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post #69 of 79
3/6/08 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
If my feeling turns out to be correct and the moral outrage for this is bigger than when these soldiers raped and killed a girl along with her family, I'll quit humanity.
Seconded. If that video is real, yes it's sick and wrong, but I hate people who have more empathy for animals than their own fucking species. I used to joke that if my ex saw a dog eating a newborn baby she'd say "That's horrible! The dog's gonna choke on those baby bones!"
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post #70 of 79
3/6/08 at 9:31pm
Actually, I prefer dogs to babies. They take much less looking after.
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post #71 of 79
3/6/08 at 10:58pm
Listen, it could always be worse. Watch at work.

http://www.shakethatbear.com
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post #72 of 79
3/6/08 at 11:22pm
"You guys know...if you watch it backwards, it's a beautiful story." - Some commenter on some website.
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post #73 of 79
3/7/08 at 3:59am
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post #74 of 79
3/7/08 at 5:28am
My personal experience is in the army of country too small to project its power outside its borders. But this whole "killing machine" deal seems like a misunderstanding to me. Of course military training consists of desensitizing the soldier, to a degree, to the thought of committing violence against another human but what is really hammered home, the whole time, is discipline and self-control. I know the army would rather have a guy who does what he's told, when he's told, the way he's told than someone who can get headshots all day long from a mile away while jerking himself off and screaming hoo-rah. The US military's requirements may be different, though.
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post #75 of 79
3/7/08 at 10:14am
Dunno what you're all fussing about. Video's fake, some guy throwing a dead puppy - someone else dubbing on some audio to make US soldiers look evil.
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post #76 of 79
3/7/08 at 12:23pm
The Times Square bombing must have been a direct consequence of this video.

zomg! conspiracy! I just figured it out.
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post #77 of 79
3/7/08 at 1:30pm
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Fuck. Busted.
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post #78 of 79
3/7/08 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
I know the army would rather have a guy who does what he's told, when he's told, the way he's told than someone who can get headshots all day long from a mile away while jerking himself off and screaming hoo-rah. The US military's requirements may be different, though.
Not really. We make fun of people who say Oorah. They're fucking tools.
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post #79 of 79
3/7/08 at 5:45pm
That was excellent. My first thought was http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ORcL2Yit14&feature=related
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