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post #151 of 955
Which would open doors for a sequel to Help!

Ringo still has his ring...


Also, I imagine with the whole seal issue involving the Grail, I think they'd just shatter it and make each officer wear a bit of the seal like dog tags.

Or maybe carry the seal around with them wherever they went a conquerin'. I thought about this potential problem way too much. Or not enough. The world may never know...
post #152 of 955
I was fucking with ya, buddy. Not like it, you think?

I was around that age (slightly older) when my dad got me into Raiders and I couldn't get enough of it. Fuck, I wanted to be Indiana Jones when I grew up.

Who am I kidding? I still wanna to be Indiana Jones when I grow up!
post #153 of 955
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Well, first the Hebrew god will fall. Then the Christian god will be cast down. Then Kali will pretty much rule the world.
So the all the other Gods get scared off by some glowing rocks? Bah. Crom laughs at them all.
post #154 of 955
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So the all the other Gods get scared off by some glowing rocks? Bah. Crom laughs at them all.
Yeah, but my god is the everlasting sky. Your god lives beneath him.
post #155 of 955
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
I got to wondering, if the villains of each movie had beaten Indy and gained control over the various artifacts, how would they go about using it in a real world scenario? It's one thing to say that the Nazis would be able to rule the world with the Ark, or make their armies unstoppable with the Grail, or whatever. But how would they actually make that plan work?
I was actually thinking about this the other day: If Indy hadnt interfered with Belloq and if Belloq hadnt interfered with the Nazi dude, then ultimately Hitler would have opened the ark and had his face melted off. So close.
post #156 of 955
Well, presumably, the Nazis would research the Ark, and no one knew about the seal, least of all Elsa. But Mola Ram...yeah, kind of a pipe dream really. He was definately insane, or perhaps just had a vivid imagination.
post #157 of 955
Well since the grail's power can't leave the great seal, the nazis would just make a giant impenetrable fortress at the temple where the Grail is and then find some contrived way for everyone to come to them.
post #158 of 955
Why didn't they just hire Rapebear? We'd all be speaking German right now if they had just gotten a hold of him.
post #159 of 955
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
And I have no idea what the fuck Mola Ram is going to do with his "good luck rock" collection.
Maybe he plans on taking them to BINGO, like the blueheads with their troll collections.

post #160 of 955
By the way, is anyone else annoyed at how much better the containers for the new DVD releases look than the old ones I have? Clearly I'm not upgrading for a box, but the box set I have now is definately ugly.
post #161 of 955
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Yeah, but I think that's the point -- she's heard all these lines before, Indy's not very good at them, and Marcus takes the piss right out of the whole affair with the way he interrupts.
I'll have to keep your interpretation in mind the next time I watch -- Indy getting shot down. It's always hurt the experience for me, so I'll owe you big if I can make it work this way.

And Kevin: you too, huh?
post #162 of 955
The soundtrack to Crystal Skull showed up on youtube. http://youtube.com/user/BleuEwe
post #163 of 955
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
I got to wondering, if the villains of each movie had beaten Indy and gained control over the various artifacts, how would they go about using it in a real world scenario? It's one thing to say that the Nazis would be able to rule the world with the Ark, or make their armies unstoppable with the Grail, or whatever. But how would they actually make that plan work?
You're technically correct (and hilarious), but, historically speaking, the Nazis were obsessed with locating religious artifacts. And, while some of that obsession may have stemmed from a pipedream that the artifacts held magical properties, most of it stemmed from the conqueror's desire to possess and control the conquered's religion. The Romans did it all the time.

Or maybe I'm just putting too much thought into your post.

But, yeah, I don't know what Mola Ram was thinking.
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Fuck, I wanted to be Indiana Jones when I grew up.

Who am I kidding? I still wanna to be Indiana Jones when I grow up!
I hear that, brotha! Indiana Jones is to me what Star Wars is (or was) to a lot of people on these boards. God willing, Crystal Skull will not be my Phantom Menace.
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I was actually thinking about this the other day: If Indy hadnt interfered with Belloq and if Belloq hadnt interfered with the Nazi dude, then ultimately Hitler would have opened the ark and had his face melted off. So close.
Awesome.
post #164 of 955
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
And, while some of that obsession may have stemmed from a pipedream that the artifacts held magical properties, most of it stemmed from the conqueror's desire to possess and control the conquered's religion. The Romans did it all the time.
It was probably more from Hitler's desire to subvert Christianity for his own purposes. He latched onto an image of Christ as a fighter against the Jewish power structure, which fed into Hitler's ant-Semitic ideals while giving him a way to bring German Christians over to his side. Controlling the symbols of the religion would allow him to more easily control those who followed it.
post #165 of 955
nah - it was all about face melting!
post #166 of 955
Are we going to get the requisite Spielberg 'shooting-star'?
post #167 of 955
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Are we going to get the requisite Spielberg 'shooting-star'?
Count on it. An Indy/Mutt campfire scene, without question.
post #168 of 955
You know what Kinky Friedman says: Don't trust those Eagle Scouts.
post #169 of 955
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
You're technically correct (and hilarious), but, historically speaking, the Nazis were obsessed with locating religious artifacts. And, while some of that obsession may have stemmed from a pipedream that the artifacts held magical properties, most of it stemmed from the conqueror's desire to possess and control the conquered's religion. The Romans did it all the time.
Himmler was supposedly way more into this kind of thing than Hitler. Think of Nancy Reagan consulting her astrologer about Ronnie's policiy decisions, except that in this scenario Nancy is the head of the SS and Ronnie is blowing a king's ransom in tax dollars on Nancy's taste for mysticism.

There's probably more urban legend than verifiable history available about this - I don't know how seriously I take the claims that Otto Skorzeny was actually dispatched between commando missions to go look for the Spear of Destiny and the Tomb of Heracles - but one pretty solid account is Flowers and Moynihan's The Secret King.

Update: apparently the diaries of Otto Rahn, a civilian archaeologist who searched for the Grail for the Nazis, has been translated.
post #170 of 955
Noticed a pattern in the women in Indy's life:

RAIDERS: Independent, heroic, and streetsmart liability
TEMPLE: Shrill, spoiled, & greedy prima-donna (even more of a liability)
CRUSADE: Manipulative & yet regretful double-agent
KINGDOM: Villain

Has Spielberg gotten misogynistic in his years? Each woman character gets increasingly more selfish and evil.
post #171 of 955
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Originally Posted by Rheokhu View Post
Himmler was supposedly way more into this kind of thing than Hitler. Think of Nancy Reagan consulting her astrologer about Ronnie's policiy decisions, except that in this scenario Nancy is the head of the SS and Ronnie is blowing a king's ransom in tax dollars on Nancy's taste for mysticism.

There's probably more urban legend than verifiable history available about this - I don't know how seriously I take the claims that Otto Skorzeny was actually dispatched between commando missions to go look for the Spear of Destiny and the Tomb of Heracles - but one pretty solid account is Flowers and Moynihan's The Secret King.

Update: apparently the diaries of Otto Rahn, a civilian archaeologist who searched for the Grail for the Nazis, has been translated.
Great post.
post #172 of 955
So I think I'm at the point where I like Raiders of the Lost Ark more than Last Crusade. LC was always the film I loved as a kid, and I still think it's tons of fun. But the more I watch Raiders, the more I appreciate it and really love it. It's such a great movie.
post #173 of 955
After about 4 or 5 years of not seeing any Indiana Jones I watched Raiders of the Lost Arc & Temple of Doom last weekend. I can say with 100% certainty without even seeing Last Crusade that Temple of Doom is the weakest of the bunch. My issues with it are when Indy is forced to drink the kool-aid and becomes a cultist and then Short Round returns him to normal by burning his stomach. These things never bothered me before but now they sort of stand out and tarnish the movie for me. Not to say that I dislike the ToD or that after all these years those issues ruined it for me. It's just that as a kid ToD was my favorite but now I see that it really isn't the cream of the crop.
post #174 of 955
My quick 2 cents: Forgive me if someone else mentioned this, but watching LAST CRUSADE again one thing that always bothered me still does-in the River Phoenix opening, I wish the guy with the jacket had been played by Tom Selleck. (It would have been a funny inside joke and nod to the original casting choice.)
post #175 of 955
How many people at the time knew that Selleck was supposed to be Indy? I never found out until around the time it hit DVD.
post #176 of 955
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How many people at the time knew that Selleck was supposed to be Indy? I never found out until around the time it hit DVD.
I'm not sure, I think pretty common knowledge. Plus Selleck was still a pretty big star at the time. Couldn't be worse than the guy they cast. Dullsville!
post #177 of 955
Damn! I never thought of that. Having Selleck in it would have been a fantastic idea.
post #178 of 955
You know it's funny but I think TOD is unfairly shit on in a big way. I can understand why many people don't think as well of it since it came right after "Raiders" which is an undisputed pop masterpiece but TOD has a much more pulpy vibe and in some ways represents what I think Steve and George wanted to do with the series. That is, to make each Indy film its own stand alone adventure. There would be nods to the fans but they can be appreciated on their own and run in any order.

The things I really like about TOD is (and these have been mentioned already)

Short Round: I might be speaking out of my ass on this since I don't know a thing about serials, but I think it was a tradition in the Republic serials to have a kid character to stand in for the primary audience members. I thought that was a neat addition and worked in a similar way here. Plus he's a pretty charming character and would have loved to see him show up in Crystal Skull instead of the Mutt character to pass along the torch to.

Rescuing the Slaves: Quite simply the most iconic scene in the movie and in the top 5 for the series. I just love how bad ass he looks when he kicks those slave drivers asses.

The Sense of Adventure: I love how random this movie is and how it seems Indy just falls into another hunt for treasure.

The extended universe: I think this movie does a better job than the other ones in establishing that Indy has gone on alot of adventures that haven't been filmed yet. I'm talking in particular about the Chinese waiter who has gone on several previous adventures with Indy (and whose last adventure we're witnessing at the end)

The titles and the font used: Why is this the only movie in the series to use the same font and style as the posters?

All three movies are great in my opinion and much better than Indy in Name Only. We'll never get movies like this again.
post #179 of 955
I thought I noticed CGI tweaking on Raiders on TV. Here's proof.

RAIDERS GETS "CGI ENHANCEMENT"

Oddly this isn't on the new DVDs. Perhaps this will be shown on Blu-Ray release? I have no idea if there are other alterations done. Expect the title card to change to INDIANA JONES AND THE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK?
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post #181 of 955
Speak of the WHIP, which movie was the most WHIP heavy?
I'm pretty sure he used it the most in TOD. Temple definitely has Indy's greatest whip moment (ceiling fan incident).
post #182 of 955
The only times I remember Indy using it in Raiders was in the opening sequence and maybe a couple of times right outside of Cairo.

Crusade had some prologue whippery, as well as the tank chase. Not too much there either.

Yeah, pretty sure he uses the BDSM tool the most in Temple.

(Strange wording, I know. Especially for Jewish Chewers.)
post #183 of 955
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Speak of the WHIP, which movie was the most WHIP heavy?
I'm pretty sure he used it the most in TOD. Temple definitely has Indy's greatest whip moment (ceiling fan incident).
I like when the guy gets taken up into the ceiling fan, because it cuts to Short Round closing his eyes in shock as if the thuggee's head got chopped into bloody quivering sushi, but no. The fan's blades were moving at .05 mph.
post #184 of 955
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Rescuing the Slaves: Quite simply the most iconic scene in the movie and in the top 5 for the series. I just love how bad ass he looks when he kicks those slave drivers asses.
Probably THE iconic shot for the entire series. The mine cart shedding light on him.
post #185 of 955
DOCTA JONES YOUR WHIP!
Short Round basically killed that man. He should have sucked it up and watched!
post #186 of 955
You must have missed the quick shot of the thuggee going up into the fan blades, and he looks at Short Round and yells "YOU LITTLE SHIT!!!"
post #187 of 955
Whip Montage

I think we witnessed another SHIVA MIRACLE when that tiny ceiling lamp wire supported Indy's weight.
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post #190 of 955
FWIW, I thought the movie was better on the second viewing. It didn't have the weight of expectation crushing it down.
post #191 of 955
Anyone know what happened to the much-hyped new INDIANA JONES video game? That thing was sold pretty hard at E3 in 2006. The guys in the LucasArts suite were kind of dicks about how revolutionary it was supposed to be. All I can find is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_2007

Any insider info on this? I'm still kind of curious.
post #192 of 955
I haven't heard anything about this game since 2006. Also, this can't be good:

Rumor: LucasArts Sees Massive Layoffs, Outsources Jobs
post #193 of 955
Apparently the new gaming engine that they developed while working on the Indy game is what they are using to power Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (or whatever the title is). Anyway, apparently they haulted work on Indy to finish up that game first. The real question is, how close are they to being done with the Indy game now? I'm guessing we won't see it until sometime next year. I really can't see them canning it though.
post #194 of 955
So, now that we've seen the new one, any thoughts on a potential fifth film? Think it will happen? If so, will Spielberg direct or pass it on? Think they will actually try to hand the series over to Shia's character Mutt in a sixth film (if it goes that far)?

Any thoughts at all on the possible continuation of the franchise beyond KOTCS?
post #195 of 955
No.
post #196 of 955
Yeah. I enjoyed the new one (don't judge me, goddammit), but I have no interest in the continuing adventures of Mutt Williams/Jones with Ford cameoing as Crotchety Indiana. Time to put this one to rest.
post #197 of 955
I doubt we'll have to worry much, personally. I don't think a fifth film or a Mutt spin-off will ever happen. It took too long to get this one made as is. The only way another would happen quickly is if Steven stepped down as director and just produced. Or worse, just let Lucas handle it all himself.

I was just curious about everyone's thoughts. That said, if Spielberg decided to take a backseat and just produce, who would you see as someone fit to take the director's chair that would have enough balls & brains to cast off some of George's crazier (and cheesier) ideas? All I can say is, if a fifth film or a spin-off ever does happen, I hope to God that Larry Kasdan is back in the writer's chair. I'll still never understand why they never had him do any of the sequels.
post #198 of 955
A bit about the visual storytelling of the character arcs in Raiders:

http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/2008...ers-makes.html
post #199 of 955
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For example, "Temple of Doom" is a prequel to "Raiders" - it all took place before "Raiders" did, supposedly. And yet in "Temple" Indy witnesses a man pull another man's beating heart out of his chest and also he uses a magical incantation at the end of the movie to make the magic rocks burst into flames, thus defeating the villain. Now if all of this is supposed to happen before "Raiders", how are we supposed to believe that he went through these experiences - witnessing acts of unexplainable mystical power and even using the other-worldly power of the stones - and yet remain skeptical that there are mystical forces at work in our world?
THANK YOU!
post #200 of 955
Because Indy slipped and hit his head on the sink between the events of DOOM and RAIDERS. Same thing apparently happened to Marcus between RAIDERS and CRUSADE. And the same thing happened to Henry between the events of CRUSADE and SKULL, killing him. And then when Marcus leaned over to check on Henry, he slipped again, also succumbing.

You know how Lucas likes his rhyming story beats and all.
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