Indiana Jones - Page 2

Well, there are plenty who would argue Star Wars lost a lot of cool points after Jedi.

From the Ewoks to Boba Fett jobbing out like a wuss....

YES

Just wrote a longish post asking why Speilberg needs to revisit Indy again at this point in his career - but the serveer timed out and it was lost.


So to recap - why does Speilberg need to revisit the character a third time - and I dont mean because the story might be good, more why at this point in his career does he need to helm another light-hearted romp when he seems to be enjoying his more serious film-making these days?

Also on a side note - does anyone else think there'll be a shot of a CGI crocodile snapping at the camera in this film that will be in no way scocking/scarry/thrilling? I've just got it in my head that there will be...

Spielberg himself has admitted it's a regression, that he's basically doing it as a favor for George, Harrison, and the fans.

He says he is doing it for the fans. It's also a good way of keeping his position as one of the most powerful people in Hollywood.

Beaks had a good write-up about this where he pondered the same question...

Spielberg's Regression

From my CHUD Blog:

Making movies is supposed to be fun. Most people looking to get into film making are looking to have fun. So why should prominent directors be expected to make serious fare all the time. I don't understand why people complain that the Stevie and Georgie would revisit this classic series. (OK, I understand why people would NOT want Georgie involved, story-wise). Think about your job (if you have one.) A lot of time it's serious business, but I'm sure there are moments where your job is actually fun, where you're getting paid to do something that you enjoy. I would think that revisiting an old experience you had long ago is a welcome change. Especially with some of the content that Spielberg has dealt with over the years.

Regardless of motives, I just hope INDY IV is fun popcorn.

Not that I really doubt you, but do you have a source for this? Because I certainly haven't heard it, not in the more-than-a-decade that a 4th Indiana Jones movie has been in the works. The fact that it has finally come together tells me it's more than that.

As far as I understand it he rang Steve at 4am in the morning, spoke to Kate about it for a while then finally got to speak directly to Steve about it the next day...

...and Steves big on waffles apparently.

With lots and lots of syrup.

Indy's definitely in the running for my all-time favorite movie character. I love all three films, especially Raiders.

The trilogy is probably the most exciting of them all, but I don't think it's the best. I'd go with Sergio Leone's The Man With No Name trilogy as the best.

What do I look like, the fucking Associated Press?

Why should Steven Spielberg direct another Indiana Jones film? To me, since the best 2 films of Spielberg's career are Raiders Of The Lost Ark, and Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom he wants to return to the time he made great action pictures instead of the unispiring films which usually get nominated for acadamy awards like Amistad or Munich etc. Exceptions to this are when Rocky Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King, Gladiator, or Braveheart win best picture.

Why should he direct another Indiana Jones? Because at this stage in his career he can pretty much do whatever he wants.

I'm usually willing to let fleed slide with a lot of his madness, but I'll not take Munich bashing lying down, sir.

Moral ambiguity is not exactly fleed's cup of tea, I'm guessing.

Justin Clark, I didn't bash Munich, I just said it was the typical oscar nominated film that I find underwhelming...especially compared to Raiders Of The Lost Ark and Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom.

Kevin K, Outside of anti heroes like The Punisher and Blade, Elektra etc I prefer my heroes to actually be heroic and the villains evil.

Because you're not intelligent.

Scott, The intelligence of a person is not either raised, or lowered, by his like or dislike of Munich. So...since you do like Munich...does that mean you possess great intellect? To me there is no evidence to support that claim either.

It means you like nothing but shit. Your taste in movies is not unlike that of a 9 year-old. You have empty, vapid things to say. You don't bring anything to the discussion. You're living proof that opinions can be wrong.

Have you considered posting at Rotten Tomatoes?

People still think Duke Fleed is real?

How quaint.

Well I'll give Fleed this, Munich really is not one of Spielberg's best offerings.

Did the real Avner tell you that during a late night phone call?

940 postings aint real?

What is this website, VIDEODROME? Am I not really typing this posting, but getting beaten and killed in a televised snuff event?

And once again, you are incorrect.
You lost that one at "Well I'll give Fleed This..."

As I said before, I thought MUNICH was Spielberg's strongest work since SCHINDLER'S LIST. Yeah the sex/violence montage doesn't work like perhaps the Beard had wanted, but otherwise it was very high on my 2005 list.

It may have wiped away all the goodwill that the American Spielberg earned with Israel for LIST, but fuck it, I commend him for having the balls to make such a picture. Really, the first time in my lifetime I remember clearly when the Beard was a political target this side of an Oliver Stone.

It worked just fine.

No, I'll give fleed this: He at least said he found Munich underwhelming, which I don't get, but such is fleed. But anyone who can't hold this flick's objective qualities up against anything else in the Beard's CV doesn't know shit about film.

That said, I don't want to derail a discussion about Indiana Jones with this.

So...who else thinks that Ford looks like he's less fugee-faced now he is playing Indy again? Ford started looking like my dad at certain moments in his late career. Dour and pissed. I'm glad he's getting back into the swing of things. (Kill me. Puns won't do it, so you'll have to.)

Subquestion: What are your all-time top five Indy moments?

Lists are lame but I can't sleep.

1."Ha ha ha...son of a bitch"
2. The moment in Raiders when he suddenly realizes it's a better idea to let Marion stay tied up and held hostage by the Nazi's than to free her.
3. The Map Room scene in Raiders.
4. The opening scene of Temple of Doom just coz he is in a suit
5. Shooting the sword dude dead. Sorry, but that shit is bad ass.
That's Indy for me.

1. Nazi face-melting!
2. "Mola Ram! Prepare to meet Kali....in HELL!"
3. "She talks in her sleep."
4. Indy and Short Round swapping hats.
5. The Joneses, Marcus Brody, and Sallah riding off into the sunset.

1. Indy and a Nazi truck driver momentarily pause their fistfight to share a chuckle over the vehicular manslaughter of an Egyptian.
2. Indy shoots defenseless swordsman in cold blood.
3. Indy knowingly lets Donovon drink from the wrong grail, leading to his grisly demise.
4. Indy exploits a dying man being crushed by a huge press to elevate himself to the catwalks above him.
5. Indy gets Hitler's autograph.

Oh wait, those are my top-five moments of Indy being a huge douche.

Is that even possible?

My Five:
(1) "Mola Ram, prepare to meet Khali... in HELL!"
(2) "We. Are. Going. To. Die."
(3) The simplest solution is shooting the Arabian swordsman.
(4) Indy peering over the edge of the cliff to see what his father, Sallah and Brody are staring at... and then promptly falling on his ass.
and
(5) Indy, back turned and silhouetted, cocking his head as he hears the guide thumbing the revolver's hammer back and then whipping it out of his hand... so freakin' badass.

Top 5 Indy moments:

1) His reveal in Raiders, stepping out of the shadows. Just iconic.
2) Him reluctantly climbing down off the flying wing to fight the giant German in Raiders. Love the little "Give me a second" gesture.
3) Climbing onto the Nazi sub in Raiders, with the theme blasting and the steamer crew cheering. That's Indy right there for me -- not giving up even though the odds are ludicrously against him.
4) The long pan up to him right before he punches out the Thuggee guard in Temple of Doom.
5) "What's that?" "Ark of the Covenant." "Are you sure?" "Pretty sure."

This moment to me always read as almost more bad ass than the shooting the swordsman moment.. It's like he knew he was probably going to get his ass kicked, but on some level he hoped he would come out on top.
That's the guy, right there.

My Fave Indiana Jones Moments.

1)The opening "Anything Goes" Bar fight, car chase,
diving out of a crashing plane in a rubber raft as the
plane slams into a mountain and exploding as Indy,
Short Round and Willie ar sliding down a snow covered
mountain, ending up in raging rapids til they finally
end up on a slow moving river in India.

2) The bar fight where Indy fights Toht and his
henchmen where Marion's bar is wrecked and she
henchmen joins him on finding the ark.

3) Indy escaping the giant boulder in Raiders.

4) The mine car chase in Temple Of Doom

5) Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom Arcade Game

Ah, fleed, you big faker you, God love ya.

Mattoli, I am not a faker. Did you ever play the arcade game of Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom...it is fantastic. As of now it is the only good Indiana Jones game in the arcade or home video games. Hopefully Lucasarts Indiana Jones game for the 360 and other systems will be good if it ever gets released.

There is always Lego Indiana Jones to look forward to.

6. Indy punches out a poor cigarette girl in Club Obi-Wan

Ratty, Your #6 would make a great anti smoking ad.

1. Bug Room
2. Marion's introduction
3. "Oh my God..." Such a great moment. She reminds me of my Mom when my Dad does something dumb.
4. Ark of the Covenant exposition scene. Interesting info, not too forced, and develops Indy's character a bit.
5. Sword guy.

Five Reasons why TEMPLE OF DOOM Rocks

(1) No Gun - Indy having to kick ass and chew bubble gum with his fists and whip.
(2) No Nazis, but a crazy religious funamentalist mother of a baddie who'll rip your heart out of your chest, and show it to you.
(3) Gators + Henchmen = Lunch
(4) Ford punching Capshaw, domestic abuse at its most fun.
(5) Short Round - Oh come on, as CHUD once itself said, what boy of the 80s didn't dream of kicking ass with Indy?

My favorite sequence in the films follows what Indy believes is Marion's death in Raiders. He's sitting around getting liquored up, and then has that conversation with Bellocq in the cantina.

As an adult it leaves a different impression upon me than it did as a child. He's depressed and drunk, and that didn't really sink in so much when I was little. Also, I like it because it represents the earlier, tougher take on Indy. By the third film I wouldn't have been surprised if he were a professed teetotaler.

Me and the missus watched TOD last night and I don't remember this bit - where abouts is it?

Also in TOD wasn't there a scene after Indy and Short Round are captured by the Thugees where Shorty is beaten up by the guards and Indy shouts "Let him go you bastards!" - did I make that up or was it deleted from the DVDs????

That's a great scene. You really do believe it when Belloq says that Indy is "just a shadowy reflection" of himself.

Isn't it around the mine car scene? He doesn't flat out sock her, if I recall correctly. He's fighting a cultist, pulls his arm back to throw a punch and elbows Willie in the face, knocking her into the mine car. Or maybe that's the Indy movie in my head.
I just watched my Temple dvd, as well. Nope, the line's still there (at least on my copy), but it's (I believe) "Leave him alone, you bastards." Also, the Thugees just kind of hassle Short Round instead of beating him.

Well, until the Maharajah starts whipping the shit out of Short Round. But see, it's okay, because another kid's doing it.

I fucking love this movie.

Sorry, but I personally would grill Kate about what it was like to make out with Elle MacPherson in A GIRL THING... and if she had any naughty thoughts regarding Lea Thompson and Kelly Preston (or both together) while making SPACECAMP.

His teacher skills came in handy.


For me, it'll always be the map room and Williams' score at that moment.