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THE KEEP (1983) - ***

With DVD technology now over a decade old, one would think the studios would have completely released all of their catalogue cinema library onto DVD. As MGM, Anchor Bay, and Blue Underground have proven, there is seemingly an audience for every title.

Now take a Paramount picture that isn't on DVD, and has been out of print since the early 1980s. Now imagine this movie having a hell of a cast with Sir Ian McKellen, the awesomely underused Scott Glenn, Jurgen Prochnow, and Gabriel Bryne. Plus, it was an early effort from one of my favorite filmmakers, writer/director Michael Mann.

Oh, and the plot is Nazis getting eaten by a monster.

If bad 50's French pornography can get a decent DVD release, why not THE KEEP?

I doubt if any of you good folks have seen this film, but if you ever might, you'll might know immediately know why with the smoke, the Tangerine Dream score raging in the background, and tanks rumbling through the Dinu mountain pass.

This might be one of the more goddamn bizarre studio-released pictures you'll ever see.

Based off on a then-popular novel penned by F. Paul Wilson, its 1941 and the Nazi German war machine rolls over Romania. Prochnow leads his German Army attachment into a remote mountain village that is home to "The Keep."

Generations of a peasant family have overseen it as caretakers, despite not knowing why a lone silver cross is surrounded by copper-laden crosses, nor for the structure's intended purpose.

Prochnow doesn't understand why a fortress built more to keep something in than out exists, but he uses it anyway as a base for his troops. Some treasure-hunting Nazis break open the silver cross, and all hell breaks loose.

The blackshirt SS arrive to "rectify the situation," which they do by executing random villagers. If Prochnow is reprising his "Good German" character from DAS BOOT, then Bryne in his brief scenes is a terrific Nazi asshole.

You know, the sorts that proudly shoot women and children, claim that he was only following orders at trial, or flee off to Argentina and try to pass off as innocent bystanders. If Ralph Fiennes had many scenes to make himself absolutely vile in SCHINDLER'S LIST, then Bryne makes alot out of nothing. No wonder he helps make the ending for THE USUAL SUSPECTS work.

The Nazis snatch a crippled dying languistics expert in McKellen and his daughter from the Death Camps to solve it, all the while a mysterious blue-eyed stranger in Scott Glenn travels from Greece to this "Keep" with great urgency.

And that is the plot that makes sense. The rest of the film I've only comprehended in the vaguest of terms since this movie is so ambigious, or the sorts that occur from a filmmaker trying to be visually atmospheric and moody, combined with reportedly massive re-cutting by the studio.

So much of the story, its people, and events occur out of the blue (like Glenn falling in love with the daughter) that it just adds to the oddball and sorta charming mystique that radiates from THE KEEP for me.

I've always thought of THE KEEP of sorts like that great TWILIGHT ZONE episode, "The Howling Man," where a visitor inadvertedly frees the Devil from his prison. The difference with the way I see KEEP though, you have in the Nazis possibly the most evil scum that's ever walked the Earth, who end up getting slaughtered by something even more evil.

It's a great primordial evil that predates way before Lucifer's fall from the Heavens, the sort that's lived on in one form or another in legends around the world. It's evil itself.

McKellen makes a deal with this creature to regain his health, to save his ethnicity threatened with exinction by Hitler's human army of darkness. It's a Faustian accord made not out of greed, but out of the very thing that the road to Hell is paved with.

Then with Glenn, he is a spirit for an ancient "good" that wants to stay with this woman, but he can't for if Evil is to be stopped, Good has to sacrifice greatly to bring back the balance.

Trust me, THE KEEP is a mess, but its the rare sort that I enjoyed it more for the idea than the actual execution. Years back, since I wanted to know exactly what the hell was going on, I read Wilson's book.

It's a good read, but in explaining actually the hero and villain, it renders my interpretation of the movie mute, and its very much less interesting. Add to that a happy romantic ending that apparently was also in Mann's final cut before the studio altered it.

While its really clumsy in how they acheived the finale, along with a dreaded "paused" snapshot, how many movies chopped by the studio actually stay away from the safe ending and pick the appropriate ending?

Then again, maybe Mann's original edit makes that happy conclusion work, and is a better film. Who knows, but as the Director's Cut is locked inside Paramount's own Keep, we may never know what lurks within it. Almost as mysterious as to why its not on DVD.
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Did you ever read the source Novel by F Paul Wilson?
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Did you ever read the source Novel by F Paul Wilson?
Yeah I did...and its decent, but maybe my problem with it is that my interpretation of the film's (muddled-up) narrative was that it was pure Evil, as if its a substance or something of which has difference faces to different cultures around the world. Which adds to the appeal of the Nazis getting slashed to bits by something even more evil than them.

Mind you, the book is good, but Vampires aren't as interesting as "Pure Evil."
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The story of THE KEEP continues in a series of Sequel Novels called, REBORN, REPRISAL and NIGHTWORLD. Have you tried them?
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The story of THE KEEP continues in a series of Sequel Novels called, REBORN, REPRISAL and NIGHTWORLD. Have you tried them?
No, and really have no interest in them. But who knows?

Ever seen the movie?
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Vaguely. Many years back. I sort of prefer the book over the movie. It's a lot more coherent. I do understand your arguments though.

Try reading the rest of F Paul Wilson's novels. They are all part of a continuous series and elaborates on the events on THE KEEP. Especially Rasalom "The Evil".
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THE KEEP (1983) - ***

With DVD technology now over a decade old, one would think the studios would have completely released all of their catalogue cinema library onto DVD. As MGM, Anchor Bay, and Blue Underground have proven, there is seemingly an audience for every title.

Now take a Paramount picture that isn't on DVD, and has been out of print since the early 1980s. Now imagine this movie having a hell of a cast with Sir Ian McKellen, the awesomely underused Scott Glenn, Jurgen Prochnow, and Gabriel Bryne. Plus, it was an early effort from one of my favorite filmmakers, writer/director Michael Mann.

Oh, and the plot is Nazis getting eaten by a monster.

If bad 50's French pornography can get a decent DVD release, why not THE KEEP?

I doubt if any of you good folks have seen this film, but if you ever might, you'll might know immediately know why with the smoke, the Tangerine Dream score raging in the background, and tanks rumbling through the Dinu mountain pass.

This might be one of the more goddamn bizarre studio-released pictures you'll ever see.

Based off on a then-popular novel penned by F. Paul Wilson, its 1941 and the Nazi German war machine rolls over Romania. Prochnow leads his German Army attachment into a remote mountain village that is home to "The Keep."

Generations of a peasant family have overseen it as caretakers, despite not knowing why a lone silver cross is surrounded by copper-laden crosses, nor for the structure's intended purpose.

Prochnow doesn't understand why a fortress built more to keep something in than out exists, but he uses it anyway as a base for his troops. Some treasure-hunting Nazis break open the silver cross, and all hell breaks loose.

The blackshirt SS arrive to "rectify the situation," which they do by executing random villagers. If Prochnow is reprising his "Good German" character from DAS BOOT, then Bryne in his brief scenes is a terrific Nazi asshole.

You know, the sorts that proudly shoot women and children, claim that he was only following orders at trial, or flee off to Argentina and try to pass off as innocent bystanders. If Ralph Fiennes had many scenes to make himself absolutely vile in SCHINDLER'S LIST, then Bryne makes alot out of nothing. No wonder he helps make the ending for THE USUAL SUSPECTS work.

The Nazis snatch a crippled dying languistics expert in McKellen and his daughter from the Death Camps to solve it, all the while a mysterious blue-eyed stranger in Scott Glenn travels from Greece to this "Keep" with great urgency.

And that is the plot that makes sense. The rest of the film I've only comprehended in the vaguest of terms since this movie is so ambigious, or the sorts that occur from a filmmaker trying to be visually atmospheric and moody, combined with reportedly massive re-cutting by the studio.

So much of the story, its people, and events occur out of the blue (like Glenn falling in love with the daughter) that it just adds to the oddball and sorta charming mystique that radiates from THE KEEP for me.

I've always thought of THE KEEP of sorts like that great TWILIGHT ZONE episode, "The Howling Man," where a visitor inadvertedly frees the Devil from his prison. The difference with the way I see KEEP though, you have in the Nazis possibly the most evil scum that's ever walked the Earth, who end up getting slaughtered by something even more evil.

It's a great primordial evil that predates way before Lucifer's fall from the Heavens, the sort that's lived on in one form or another in legends around the world. It's evil itself.

McKellen makes a deal with this creature to regain his health, to save his ethnicity threatened with exinction by Hitler's human army of darkness. It's a Faustian accord made not out of greed, but out of the very thing that the road to Hell is paved with.

Then with Glenn, he is a spirit for an ancient "good" that wants to stay with this woman, but he can't for if Evil is to be stopped, Good has to sacrifice greatly to bring back the balance.

Trust me, THE KEEP is a mess, but its the rare sort that I enjoyed it more for the idea than the actual execution. Years back, since I wanted to know exactly what the hell was going on, I read Wilson's book.

It's a good read, but in explaining actually the hero and villain, it renders my interpretation of the movie mute, and its very much less interesting. Add to that a happy romantic ending that apparently was also in Mann's final cut before the studio altered it.

While its really clumsy in how they acheived the finale, along with a dreaded "paused" snapshot, how many movies chopped by the studio actually stay away from the safe ending and pick the appropriate ending?

Then again, maybe Mann's original edit makes that happy conclusion work, and is a better film. Who knows, but as the Director's Cut is locked inside Paramount's own Keep, we may never know what lurks within it. Almost as mysterious as to why its not on DVD.
Great post, Inferno. I wholeheartedly agree.

Yeah, saw this in the theater when it came out. Like you said, great premise, flawed execution; but very visually interesting. I didn't read the book until later but even before that, I knew the film had problems. It's very vintage early Michael Mann: great visuals, weak story.

On a personal note, I used to work for the head of post production at Paramount. When I asked about this film he had some interesting stories about Mann, schedule overruns, and battles in the cutting room. Apparently the footage still exists at the studio. There was a barebones DVD release planned in 2005 but it never happened.

F. Paul Wilson, the author of the novel, hated the film and has nothing good to say about Michael Mann. If you go to his website you can read how he was planning his own commentary track podcast deriding the film and all the screwups:


The Keep was released in 1983. It was written/directed by Michael Mann and starring the likes of Ian McKellen, Gabriel Byrne, and Scott Glenn. The general consensus is that Mann failed to fully capture the essence of the source material. There are some fans of the film out there, and a lot of Tangerine Dream fans who love its soundtrack.

What does F. Paul Wilson think of the movie version of The Keep? He dislikes it. Actually, “dislike” may be too mild a word, although his feelings towards the Michael Mann made film have mellowed ever so slightly over the years. Here was his response to what he thought of the film in 1992:

"AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!"

Here is what he had to say in 2001 (in reference to a Keep DVD release):

"Let Mann do a director's commentary, and I'll do an author's commentary, pointing out what he should have done here and here . . . and there and there . . . and here and here . . ."

In March 2004, F. Paul Wilson, Douglas Winter and David Schow got together to do exactly that.“The Keep Chronicle (or, Dude, Where's My Book?)” was completed yesterday in one take. I haven't heard a playback, yet, but I think it came out very well. I think Winter, Schow, and I were fair but we pulled no punches. I've got the manufacturing end pretty well worked out. Now to figure out marketing...

The commentary will eventually be released simultaneously with the DVD version on 2 CDs. It should be able to go along with the laserdisc, VHS, a forthcoming DVD release.

There is a great parody of The Keep at: http://www.ghosts.org/rj/keep.html For an excellent resource on the movie, check out Stephane Piter’s site: http://www.the-keep.ath.cx

It contains everything you could ever want to know about the movie, including scenes that were deleted; board and role-playing game tie-ins; interviews with cast and crew (plus F. Paul Wilson!), and a whole lot more.


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Originally Posted by LatinoInferno
Mind you, the book is good, but Vampires aren't as interesting as "Pure Evil
The book never calls him a vampire, he IS pure evil. They simply say that he was probably the basis for the vampire legend. He never sucks anybody's blood, hisses with fangs, etc. The kills in the movie are all in the book (one of the few things the film got right). I do think the film's creature was excellently done (the first R rated film that Industrial Light & Magic worked on) as were the locations and the acting.


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Originally Posted by felix natalya
The story of THE KEEP continues in a series of Sequel Novels called, REBORN, REPRISAL and NIGHTWORLD. Have you tried them?
I did and enjoyed them all. REBORN and REPRISAL are a bit weak but they're necessary for NIGHTWORLD. You should also try THE TOMB (the 1st Repairman Jack novel). Wilson has now retconned his Repairman Jack novels to all tie into the Rasaalom and his return.

This is a film rife for a remake that sticks closer to the novel. The plot's not really that complicated but Mann's film still bungles it. As far as the sequels go, I'd do something different than REBORN or REPRISAL (They're too much like THE OMEN) and then do NIGHTWORLD.

I see the film version of The Keep the same way I saw Bakshi's Lord of the Rings and Lynch's Dune: a flawed adptation that should have been better but noetheless entertains/fascinates me enough to keep watching it whenever I get the chance (I've only seen the film twice: once in the original thaetrical release and a second time on late night TV in 1995).

BTW, if you want a decent DVD release or more info on the film check out this kid's tribute page to the film: http://www.the-keep.ath.cx
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Great post, Kreeper! Very enlightening.

I am more familiar with the F Paul Wilson's books than the film. Personally, I liked The KEEP poster very much. It looked very menacing and mysterious. Good stuff.

Actually, the villian of THE KEEP Rasalom is a human being like all of us. He's basically an avatar of "The Otherness" force that is invading our reality. The concept of "The Otherness" may be a little difficult to translate into cinmatic terms. Rasalom in "CONSPIRACIES" basically explains that "The Otherness" is not a god or demon but a nameless, formless entity that is beyond explanation.

Kreeper, have you read "HARBRINGERS"?
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Personally, Wilson should drop the grudge. He comes off like Clive Cussler in those rants. Those Repairman Jack novels are passable, but could've been a lot stronger as a series imo.

My one main bitch about The Keep is that the great introductory score, with the trucks coming down the road, is not on the soundtrack.
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