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post #1 of 26
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So back when I first joined there was a thread on here the title of which I can't remember in which I discussed problems my father was having with the church he preaches at and just how frustrating it was.

Let me recap this story, because it's gotten worse and I have to share otherwise I'm going to go insane.

-Really without mentioning anything to my father in terms of complaints a group of parishoners rent a room at the town auditorium/civic center and hold a meeting discussing their grievances with him and passing around petitions to have him resign.

-Dad announces he's planning to leave due to his inability to deal with these people. The plan was to leave at the end of the school year so my brother and sister could finish the school year. The anti-father group insists that my father not be allowed to preach. The church council caves (not the last time) and confiscates his keys to the church and suspends him, not before several members resign in protest.

-The bishop is called in and points out the church council broke several synod rules in their conduct with my father. The anti-father group and the remaining council members actually tell him it's none of his business. After being unable to reach a deal my father resigns. The church council informs him one of them will give an announcement, there will be no farewell and no final service.

-My father calls two days later about cleaning out his office. The church council informs him he cannot without a group of them watching him to make sure he doesn't steal anything that belongs to them. Meanwhile they have by this point taken his keyboard, his hard drive and my now-dead grandfather's childhood rosary claiming all of them are property of the church. The computer repairman who is a good friend of my father is informed that his company's contract with the church will be severed if he does anything to the computers by the order of my father. Eventually my dad gets to clean out his office and got the rosary back.

-Eventually the bishop and an attorney get the church to sign a severance agreement and we have the house until the end of May. For those of you who don't know, churches usually provide a residence for the pastor and his family. In a rather chilling moment one of the older worshippers calls my dad and in the middle of the conversation announces that these same people have done this to other pastors before.

Am I the only one who has a hard time finding God in all of this bullshit? I don't get how my family does it, It's all I can do to not run in and start breaking shit and people. Even going to a friend's brother's Confirmation just to be there for the family I was so intensely paranoid without even really thinking about it, I don't know if I can put myself into an environment like that again.

I've never been a really faithful person, I must've been the only seven-eight year old who asked his father whether the shepherds could've just hallucinated the angels, but this has pushed me over into atheism I must say. The only thing my dad has done is tried to open up these people's worship experience to something a little more non-traditional and they shit-canned him in the worst possible way.

Am I alone? I know I'm probably fuckin stupid to put this out there for just anybody to read, but I'm hoping maybe there'll be somebody here who will get it.
post #2 of 26
Love how you call it the anti-father group.
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by James Kimbell View Post
Love how you call it the anti-father group.
Pathetic thing? Didn't think about the double-meaning behind that until now.
post #4 of 26
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Am I alone? I know I'm probably fuckin stupid to put this out there for just anybody to read, but I'm hoping maybe there'll be somebody here who will get it.
With my father-in-law being an "elder" in the church and the various shit-headed things I've seen him pull, you sir are not alone. My only advice is to remember these are people and people are far short of what God, or the idea of God, is. So when they are wronging you, your dad, or whomever else they are doing shit like this to, it's not God that's to blame but people. Selfish, power hungry, shit headed, people.

Not trying to steer you anywhere religiously but don't let these people get to you, spiritually, emotionally, or any other way. You're above it and you and your father will make it through this tough time. I hate to use the pun but you have to have faith.
post #5 of 26
You said a Bishop...are we talking the Episcopal church or...what?
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
Lutheran.

The other thing that I forgot to add is I don't know who was on the petition. So every time I see someone from the church at say the grocery store or somewhere I'm constantly wondering "Were they on there? Did they go behind our backs?". Worst feeling by far.
post #7 of 26
You tried to get Lutherans to do something different?

I know the name might imply some kind of progressive attitude regarding religion, but there's a denomination that hasn't celebrated a new year since the mid 1500s.

That's hyperbole, obviously...but seriously, the Lutheran church is in a race with Southern Baptists for the title of MOST HARDLINE CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION EVER!
post #8 of 26
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Am I the only one who has a hard time finding God in all of this bullshit?
As someone who was raised Roman Catholic, I can say "No". It sounds like familiar behind-the-scenes church politics to me.
post #9 of 26
I was thinking the same thing. This is par for the course for Catholics, the only difference being that Catholic priests don't have families that are forced to be caught in the crossfire.
post #10 of 26
I've been there. I gave up on organized religion shortly after a pastor that was very good friends with my family was booted out because he had a gay son.

Religious politics make me sick.
post #11 of 26
this is horrible, and terrible for your family. who the hell do these people think they are? and was there a "reason" they wanted your father gone, or was it just for the hell of it?
post #12 of 26
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Religious politics make me sick.
Quoted for truth! reasons like this is why I'm not big into church
post #13 of 26
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Am I alone? I know I'm probably fuckin stupid to put this out there for just anybody to read, but I'm hoping maybe there'll be somebody here who will get it.
By now, I hope that you realize (to your relief, I'm certain) that you are not alone in this questioning.

Church membership is a strange thing; you can feel safe within the bosom of the congregation, yet feel completely alone and exposed at the same time. You can feel like you congregate with like-minded believers, but wonder if anyone ever really thinks or believes what you do. Churches, conventions and synods are man-made constructs. As such, they are fallible. Please keep that in mind when you read the Bible. God used to call the Israelites all sorts of names and threaten to wipe them from the face of the earth all the time. Read the old testament (Exodus, for one) and then turn to the new testament and read about the Apostle's problems with the early church.

I'm sorry your father has been undermined like this. I'm sorry for the stress it throws on him and the rest of your family. I'm sorry that the group responsible is a graceless gaggle of nattering nabobs. Just know this: There's nothing wrong in questioning motives and actions when stuff like this happens. There's nothing wrong with doubts or anger. Periods of doubt serve a greater purpose when you speak of a life's beliefs. Go through them...and when you come out on the other side, you'll see that it's in the valleys of life that the real work is done.

My best to you and your family.
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Jakespeare View Post
So back when I first joined there was a thread on here the title of which I can't remember in which I discussed problems my father was having with the church he preaches at and just how frustrating it was.

Let me recap this story, because it's gotten worse and I have to share otherwise I'm going to go insane.

-Really without mentioning anything to my father in terms of complaints a group of parishoners rent a room at the town auditorium/civic center and hold a meeting discussing their grievances with him and passing around petitions to have him resign.

-Dad announces he's planning to leave due to his inability to deal with these people. The plan was to leave at the end of the school year so my brother and sister could finish the school year. The anti-father group insists that my father not be allowed to preach. The church council caves (not the last time) and confiscates his keys to the church and suspends him, not before several members resign in protest.

-The bishop is called in and points out the church council broke several synod rules in their conduct with my father. The anti-father group and the remaining council members actually tell him it's none of his business. After being unable to reach a deal my father resigns. The church council informs him one of them will give an announcement, there will be no farewell and no final service.

-My father calls two days later about cleaning out his office. The church council informs him he cannot without a group of them watching him to make sure he doesn't steal anything that belongs to them. Meanwhile they have by this point taken his keyboard, his hard drive and my now-dead grandfather's childhood rosary claiming all of them are property of the church. The computer repairman who is a good friend of my father is informed that his company's contract with the church will be severed if he does anything to the computers by the order of my father. Eventually my dad gets to clean out his office and got the rosary back.

-Eventually the bishop and an attorney get the church to sign a severance agreement and we have the house until the end of May. For those of you who don't know, churches usually provide a residence for the pastor and his family. In a rather chilling moment one of the older worshippers calls my dad and in the middle of the conversation announces that these same people have done this to other pastors before.

Am I the only one who has a hard time finding God in all of this bullshit? I don't get how my family does it, It's all I can do to not run in and start breaking shit and people. Even going to a friend's brother's Confirmation just to be there for the family I was so intensely paranoid without even really thinking about it, I don't know if I can put myself into an environment like that again.

I've never been a really faithful person, I must've been the only seven-eight year old who asked his father whether the shepherds could've just hallucinated the angels, but this has pushed me over into atheism I must say. The only thing my dad has done is tried to open up these people's worship experience to something a little more non-traditional and they shit-canned him in the worst possible way.

Am I alone? I know I'm probably fuckin stupid to put this out there for just anybody to read, but I'm hoping maybe there'll be somebody here who will get it.
For the answers to your problems, please seek advice from the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for his noodliness is beyond all time and space.
post #15 of 26
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this is horrible, and terrible for your family. who the hell do these people think they are? and was there a "reason" they wanted your father gone, or was it just for the hell of it?
I don't know exactly what their reasoning was, but it's getting better. The choir director's salary got the axe right after my dad left I guess. Same people forcing the issue.

The remaining council members are also spending money past the limit allowed without congregational approval and I guess they haven't informed anybody, I don't know how the guy who told us found out.
post #16 of 26
This is what you get when you treat a Church like a corporation.
post #17 of 26
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I don't know exactly what their reasoning was, but it's getting better. The choir director's salary got the axe right after my dad left I guess. Same people forcing the issue.

The remaining council members are also spending money past the limit allowed without congregational approval and I guess they haven't informed anybody, I don't know how the guy who told us found out.
I'm not into organized religion myself, but I understand how it's an important part of some people's lives. There's nothing wrong with stepping away from the churches, temples, synagogues, etc. and just doing the spiritual thing personally.
I say use this information against these people. You're looking for God in all of this? Personally, I think this is God (or whoever's) way of showing you they're there.
post #18 of 26
At least you and your folks aren't entangled with one of those young punk new religions.
post #19 of 26
This is why faith should be a completely personal thing. When you combine all of these personal beliefs, stuff like this happens.

They're definitely out there, but a "good Christian" seem like they're few and far between these days.
post #20 of 26
No offense, but your father must have done something wrong. Christians don't attack people without provocation.
post #21 of 26
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No offense, but your father must have done something wrong. Christians don't attack people without provocation.
...and with this post, my worries that our new 'pal' Warrior Angel, was one-and-the-same as our old 'pal' Warrior Angel, were confirmed...

Written any new 'scripts' recently?
post #22 of 26
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Christians don't attack people without provocation.
Which only furthers my theory that a lot of Christians are genetically half reptile.
post #23 of 26
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This is why faith should be a completely personal thing. When you combine all of these personal beliefs, stuff like this happens.

They're definitely out there, but a "good Christian" seem like they're few and far between these days.
They're out there, they're just not screaming at the top of their lungs about something that doesn't concern them. Squeaky wheel gets the attention and all that.
post #24 of 26
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No offense, but your father must have done something wrong. Christians don't attack people without provocation.
You ever ask yourself why humans thought to invent the word hypocrite?
post #25 of 26
I took WA's comment to be a joke.
post #26 of 26
In that case, funny.
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