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post #1 of 46
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I'm talking beyond books that you know will eventually be filmed. While reading "The Road" I'm sure many people cast someone as The Man that they would like to see fill the role on the big screen (John Cusack for me, though I'm sure Viggo will do a bang-up job).

I visualize whatever I read, and I tend to cast actors I know as the characters in just about everything I read. Part of it is doubtless sheer laziness of the imagination (which troubles me), but part of it is even more problematic: if I invent a person to fill a role, imagine what they look and sound like, that concept is liable to be somewhat mutable. Today's concept won't be the same as tomorrow's. By attaching a real actor to a role I can fix his or her features, and am then free to get truly absorbed in the story.

Sherlock Holmes, a well described character, has been portrayed by numerous actors. For a long time whenever I read a Holmes story I visualized him as an amalgam of those actors with some tweaks of my own, but his likeness was apt to change in the time between reading tales. But a few years ago I firmly cast him, and in my mind's eye Holmes now looks and sounds like James Cromwell, and Watson will forever be Ben Kingsley. They fit the roles perfectly to me. I can watch other actors play Holmes and Watson and become absorbed with their work, there is no problem enjoying the show. When I read, however, it's Cromwell and Kingsley. They ARE Holmes and Watson, in my head.

This is true of almost everything I read. Doyle's "The Lost World" starred Brian Blessed as Professor Challenger, James Cromwell as Professor Summerlee, Timothy Dalton as Lord Roxton, and Ewan MacGregor as journalist Ed Malone (a fantastic reading experience, by the way). Harvey Keitel is Dashiell Hammet's Continental Op, Christopher Meloni is Stark's amoral thief Parker, Tim Roth is Jack Vance's rogue Cugel the Clever.

I do make modifications from time to time. Keitel is also Stark's other thief, Dortmunder, although I've had to stretch Harvey into a taller man (Nic Cage is Murch, Anne Ramsey is Murch's Mom, and Steve Buscemi is Andy Kelp). I've made actors younger or older, or tweaked them in other ways to best fit a role.

I don't always do this. The characters of the Harry Potter books are a blend of the actors from the films, other actors not in the films, and persons imagined (Robbie Coltrane is a fine Hagrid, but he's not my Hagrid). Non-fiction books generally use the actual people; when reading "Public Enemies" I looked up pictures of all the major players (several photos also came with the book) so I could get a firm mental grip on their appearance.

So, how many other people do this? Or am I alone? And INSANE? (Or just lazy and unimaginative?)
post #2 of 46
When I was doing book coverage for my movie development internship, if I was stuck having to read an insufferably boring book I couldn't get through I'd start imagining the voice of John Hurt as the Storyteller reading it aloud and suddenly it would become a fucking breeze.
post #3 of 46
I'm trying to cast The Stand as I read it and I'm having a horrible time.

Ruby Dee as Mother Abigail (which I thought of before I found out this is the case in the miniseries, but really doesn't everyone picture Ruby Dee for roles like these?)
Ed Harris as Glen Bateman
Josh Brolin as Stu Redman
Joseph Gordon Levitt as Nick Andros

But outside of that there's not much. I think it might be fun to see Jonah Hill try to take on Harold Lauder just because image-wise he fits it, and I think the pissed off characteristics he so often uses for laughs could be twisted to fit the character's more sinister aspects.

It's funny, I saw kind of Rob Lowe's looks when I pictured the character of Larry Underwood and I guess he lost out on that role and got Nick Andros instead. I don't know if I see Rob Lowe acting-wise as Underwood but image-wise certainly.
post #4 of 46
I had a ton of fun thinking of actors who would play the dad, while reading Special Topics in Calamity Physics. Of course, the narrator does a little bit of that herself, so it wasn't completely me.
post #5 of 46
The other side of the argument is reading books after you see the movies, do the actors often inform the way you visualize that character?

I can't read American Psycho without seeing Christian Bale.
post #6 of 46
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The other side of the argument is reading books after you see the movies, do the actors often inform the way you visualize that character?
Sometimes. But sometimes not at all - for example, when I read the novel, the 3 main guys in No Country all "looked" different to me than their actors in the film. And it's not because I haven't seen the film a million times or that the performances weren't good. Just a different thing.
post #7 of 46
Now that you mention it, it's kind of odd that I don't do this. Seriously, never, obsessed with movies though I undeniably am. Maybe it's because I got way into reading before I really discovered movies. But the only time I cast novel roles in my head is when it's already been a movie. You mentioned Harry Potter, and in my mind, those roles are so perfectly cast that I can't avoid hearing those voices. But otherwise, the characters in novels are their own thing for me.

As for The Road, I can't imagine fantasy casting those roles in my head. You're given so little information that I felt they were intentionally vague. Putting an actor in the role feels to me like missing the point a little. I still can't imagine how it's going to work as a movie at all.
post #8 of 46
I'm finishing off the final Dark Tower book right now and can't stop seeing Viggo Mortensen as Roland. Must be the LOTR influence.
post #9 of 46
It happens to me occasionally, but not often, and when it does, it's usually a supporting character, like Bebe Newirth as Elaine in the Scudder novels or Kevin Kline as Rosa's father in Kavalier & Clay. Or a character will say something that reminds me of how an actor would deliver that line. In "Mergers & Acquisitions," there's a character who reminds me a lot of Topher Grace based on the things he says alone.

If, however, I hear a book has been bought for adaptation, I'll think more about actors while reading it. Even though Paul Walker was in Bobby Z, I had a hard time not picturing Jason Dohring while reading it.

Although Gary Sinise will forever be Stu Redman to me.
post #10 of 46
I never do this. I can't do it. In fact, every book I read takes place in some weird, vaguely indistinct universe where there are no details whatsoever. Even when they go to great lengths to describe, say, the furniture in a room.
post #11 of 46
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I never do this. I can't do it. In fact, every book I read takes place in some weird, vaguely indistinct universe where there are no details whatsoever. Even when they go to great lengths to describe, say, the furniture in a room.
I'm kind of like this except that if, say, the setting is someone's house, despite what it might get described like in my mind's eye it inevitably takes on the appearance of things that are familiar from my own experience. I'll get the basic picture in my head, but it'll still retain details and such from the house I grew up in. It's supremely frustrating because as vivid as my imagination is, my mind just automatically goes to those places.
post #12 of 46
Whenever I read a book with a bear, I always fantasy cast Bart the Bear as the bear.
post #13 of 46
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee View Post
I'm talking beyond books that you know will eventually be filmed. While reading "The Road" I'm sure many people cast someone as The Man that they would like to see fill the role on the big screen (John Cusack for me, though I'm sure Viggo will do a bang-up job).

I visualize whatever I read, and I tend to cast actors I know as the characters in just about everything I read. Part of it is doubtless sheer laziness of the imagination (which troubles me), but part of it is even more problematic: if I invent a person to fill a role, imagine what they look and sound like, that concept is liable to be somewhat mutable. Today's concept won't be the same as tomorrow's. By attaching a real actor to a role I can fix his or her features, and am then free to get truly absorbed in the story.

Sherlock Holmes, a well described character, has been portrayed by numerous actors. For a long time whenever I read a Holmes story I visualized him as an amalgam of those actors with some tweaks of my own, but his likeness was apt to change in the time between reading tales. But a few years ago I firmly cast him, and in my mind's eye Holmes now looks and sounds like James Cromwell, and Watson will forever be Ben Kingsley. They fit the roles perfectly to me. I can watch other actors play Holmes and Watson and become absorbed with their work, there is no problem enjoying the show. When I read, however, it's Cromwell and Kingsley. They ARE Holmes and Watson, in my head.

This is true of almost everything I read. Doyle's "The Lost World" starred Brian Blessed as Professor Challenger, James Cromwell as Professor Summerlee, Timothy Dalton as Lord Roxton, and Ewan MacGregor as journalist Ed Malone (a fantastic reading experience, by the way). Harvey Keitel is Dashiell Hammet's Continental Op, Christopher Meloni is Stark's amoral thief Parker, Tim Roth is Jack Vance's rogue Cugel the Clever.

I do make modifications from time to time. Keitel is also Stark's other thief, Dortmunder, although I've had to stretch Harvey into a taller man (Nic Cage is Murch, Anne Ramsey is Murch's Mom, and Steve Buscemi is Andy Kelp). I've made actors younger or older, or tweaked them in other ways to best fit a role.

I don't always do this. The characters of the Harry Potter books are a blend of the actors from the films, other actors not in the films, and persons imagined (Robbie Coltrane is a fine Hagrid, but he's not my Hagrid). Non-fiction books generally use the actual people; when reading "Public Enemies" I looked up pictures of all the major players (several photos also came with the book) so I could get a firm mental grip on their appearance.

So, how many other people do this? Or am I alone? And INSANE? (Or just lazy and unimaginative?)
I always thought Nicholas Cage would be a great Dortmunder. Westlake constantly describes him as a hang-dog faced guy who looks like he's constantly carrying great stress. Jeremy Piven is Kelp to me. Check out Cage in Matchstick Men, and you'll see what I mean

And thanks to you, Dominic West is Scudder(The earlier to middle books, at least) for me.

And Meloni, for me, would be the ideal Burke if they ever adapted a Vachss novel. He's half-way there on SVU
post #14 of 46
I don't do this often; I picture the characters, often in detail, but they usually don't look like actors or anyone I know. There are exceptions, though. Recently I've been reading a lot of Len Deighton's spy-with-no-name books, and I invariably imagined the protagonist as Michael Caine. Amusingly, I found out after the first few that Caine had, in fact, been cast in that role in the ones that got adapted as movies. Pretty much written for him, I guess.

What always gets me is books that I've seen movie versions of first. I get a weird schizoid effect where sometimes the characters switch back and forth in my mind between the actors from the film and the image conjured up by their descriptions in the text. Several chapters in they generally settle down on the latter but it's disconcerting until then.
post #15 of 46
I do this. I can't help it. I don't do it with every character in every book I read, but I do it. Of course, movies don't help, as is the case of the aforementioned Matthew Scudder. I can't help but picture Jeff Bridges as the character since I never read a Scudder novel until after I had seen 8 Million Ways to Die.

I would also like to profess some sort of psychic ability, as is the case with Get Shorty. I read the book in 91, and even then I pictured John Travolta in the role. My mind's eye was even being realistic, as I pictured the late model, fatter guy from Look Who's Talking in the role.

Oh, and regarding Parker, fucking Lee Marvin. That's all I can picture.
post #16 of 46
What was interesting to me about the Harry Potter books was that after Richard Harris died, I immediately stopped picturing him as Dumbledore in the ensuing novels. In fact, I began to feel that Gambon was actually closer to the written version than Harris had been. I can't wait to see what Gambon does with the last two stories.
post #17 of 46
Another question:

Do you cast roles while you write?
post #18 of 46
Cameron, didn't I suggest West as Scudder to you like two months ago? Which is the correct answer for the middle Scudders. Late Scudder is forever gonna be Dennis Quaid in my mind.

It was in one of those "would be adaptation" threads a while back that made me overjoyed to see that I was, in fact, not the only one who heard Seth Rogen narrating Christopher Moore's "Lamb." (Also starring the late Heath Ledger as Jesus, George Clooney as the centurion, and Jena Malone as Mary Magdeline).
post #19 of 46
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Another question:

Do you cast roles while you write?
Sometimes. Not for every role, certainly.
post #20 of 46
I tend to write parts with an actor in mind, most often somebody that I know, or I use a famous actor as a frame of reference -- this character is basically a Laura Linney role, that character's ideal actor is Peter Krause. I think it was William Goldman who says he does it, but he, more often than not, writes parts for actors who are dead.

I think I've only directly written a part for a specific "famous" actor once, and that was Brendan Gleeson. I've written/am writing parts for all my friends constantly, though.
post #21 of 46
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Cameron, didn't I suggest West as Scudder to you like two months ago? Which is the correct answer for the middle Scudders. Late Scudder is forever gonna be Dennis Quaid in my mind.

It was in one of those "would be adaptation" threads a while back that made me overjoyed to see that I was, in fact, not the only one who heard Seth Rogen narrating Christopher Moore's "Lamb." (Also starring the late Heath Ledger as Jesus, George Clooney as the centurion, and Jena Malone as Mary Magdeline).
You did bring up West as Scudder to me, months ago, which is why I credit you with it. I like the idea of Quaid as older Scudder, but man, Harrison Ford would have been perfect. I see Ian McShane as Ballou.


Seth Rogen while right for Biff, is too caucasian. Moore wrote them as how they really looked like.
post #22 of 46
Haha, sorry. Didn't see that. Anyway, Moore may have written Lamb as "how they really looked like," but he also wrote them as Jews, and there's not a better Jewish smart-ass who looks like Biff than Rogen.
post #23 of 46
I've definitely seen Casey Affleck and Michelle Monoghan in my mind while reading A Drink Before The War now, but I'd say it's half and half when I'm reading a book that doesn't have any influences on it that I see actors or just see people I create in my mind.
post #24 of 46
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I'm trying to cast The Stand as I read it and I'm having a horrible time.
I had a crazy (but fun) time trying to cast The Stand in my head. Mostly because I read it for the first time in 1983, and between that time and the miniseries, I've casted and re-casted it in my head about a million times. And some of it, I can't even have you picture, because my first go-round consisted of casting some people I knew in real life - for example, my English professor's son was my first immediate Larry Underwood.

Once the mini-series aired, there were a couple of characters who the mini-series got so spot on, I couldn't imagine anyone else in the role. As crappy as the mini series was, Gary Sinese was the perfect Stu, and Ray Walston was the perfect Glen Bateman, so I tend to always think of them that way. I won't go through the whole list, but there are a few of my updated mind-castings who I just always think of as that character. I always think of John Malkovich as Tom Cullen, probably because right around the time I saw Of Mice and Men, I was re-reading The Stand. "Tattoo You"-era Keith Richards will always be Randall Flagg to me. And some of my perfect people are just too old to play the roles now, but I always pictured a very young Sandra Bullock as Frannie (who was really hard to cast for some reason), as well as a very young Kevin Bacon as Larry (he eventually bumped my professor's son out of the role ). I'm saying - picture them in their early 20s, and that's what I imagined on some of my "re-casts." Oh, and also a 30-somethingish Madeline Stowe as Nadine. Never did stumble upon a good Nick Andros - that one still kind of bugs me that I never nailed him down.
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Whenever I read a book with a bear, I always fantasy cast Bart the Bear as the bear.
When I'm reading bear fiction, I usually fantasy cast Lane Smith, or, if he's not available, Knut.
post #26 of 46
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When I was doing book coverage for my movie development internship, if I was stuck having to read an insufferably boring book I couldn't get through I'd start imagining the voice of John Hurt as the Storyteller reading it aloud and suddenly it would become a fucking breeze.
Awesome.

If I'm enjoying a book enough, I'll be thinking about it in between reads and like to turn the characters over in my mind; if I'm not getting sufficient information from the author to fully visualize a particular character I may use an actor as a reference - I just finished "Lonesome Dove" and built Jake Spoon up in my head around a Jeff Bridges model (is that weird?).

I couldn't have pictured Gus and Call as anyone other than Duval and Jones thanks to the miniseries (I've never seen it but am aware of the casting) but was able to do better for Newt than Ricky Shroeder. I didn't know/had forgotten that Robert Urich played Spoon in the mini but looked it up after I finished the book and that seems pretty perfect casting in retrospect.
post #27 of 46
Donnie Yen ... AS EVERYONE!

Professor X ... Patrick Stewart (is this cheating since this a comic book?)

Allan Grant ... Richard Dryfus

Gimli ... Sly Stalone's mini me

Aragorn ... Harrison Ford
post #28 of 46
Like most people here, sometimes, sometimes not. It's usually a combination of famous faces, people I know in everyday life, and complete fabrications. And somtimes myself.

The weirdest one was the Harry Potter series. Initially, they were completely my own creations, influenced somewhat by the illustrations, but mostly my own. Then the movies came out, and slowly overtook my imagination. Some characters were instantly replaced (Maggie Smith trounced my conception of McGonagall), while others were peskier. The last to fall was Snape, who lasted through six books until all of a sudden, in Deathly Hallows-BAM-Alan Rickman. The casting was great almost universally, but I kind of miss my mind's eye versions, that have never been on magazine covers or ceral boxes.

Seth Rogen in Lamb is genius, and it should happen. But they will never adapt a Christopher Moore novel, so oh well.
post #29 of 46
Depends, but as I read Harry Bosch I keep thinking William Petersen would play him even though Bosch is meant to be a small guy.
post #30 of 46
One book that's gonna be a huge victim to this when the film version comes out is Blindness. The characters don't have names, so we'll probably just end up referring to them as Moore, Ruffalo, etc. from the film, and of course their likenesses will follow, in anyone who reads the book in the future.
post #31 of 46
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Depends, but as I read Harry Bosch I keep thinking William Petersen would play him even though Bosch is meant to be a small guy.
I go with Willem Dafoe. And he's excellent in it.
post #32 of 46
I know I will get all kinds of shit for this, but I cast Christian Bale in most every book I read. It's like an illness. I got into the habit in the early 2000s, and now I just can't stop. It often makes books a little more dour than they would be otherwise, and made Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell black as fuck (as Strange, Brian Cox as Norrell). I remember Strange being described as a bit goofy-looking in the beginning of the book but I kept forgetting and Bale just stuck.

Other members of my go-to troupe: David Morse (villains, dads, authority figures), David Straithairn (he works so well because he fits into a plethora of ethnicities, but I can overuse him too; The Man in the High Castle was like a hall of mirrors because I inadvertantly cast him as every non-Japanese male in the book), Judy Greer, Tina Fey.

I've been trying to get away from this, though, because casting someone I like in the role makes me want to feel about the character in a way similar to how I feel about the "actor," and that can lead to unfounded interpretations and altered expectations. It might even cheapen it a bit. But I'm not good at compositing faces on the fly.
post #33 of 46
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I go with Willem Dafoe. And he's excellent in it.
That's also possible but the more I think about it the way Connelly sets up Bosch, it almost seems as if he basically made James Ellroy go to Vietnam and actually become a cop.
post #34 of 46
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I had a crazy (but fun) time trying to cast The Stand in my head. Mostly because I read it for the first time in 1983, and between that time and the miniseries, I've casted and re-casted it in my head about a million times. And some of it, I can't even have you picture, because my first go-round consisted of casting some people I knew in real life - for example, my English professor's son was my first immediate Larry Underwood.

Once the mini-series aired, there were a couple of characters who the mini-series got so spot on, I couldn't imagine anyone else in the role. As crappy as the mini series was, Gary Sinese was the perfect Stu, and Ray Walston was the perfect Glen Bateman, so I tend to always think of them that way. I won't go through the whole list, but there are a few of my updated mind-castings who I just always think of as that character. I always think of John Malkovich as Tom Cullen, probably because right around the time I saw Of Mice and Men, I was re-reading The Stand. "Tattoo You"-era Keith Richards will always be Randall Flagg to me. And some of my perfect people are just too old to play the roles now, but I always pictured a very young Sandra Bullock as Frannie (who was really hard to cast for some reason), as well as a very young Kevin Bacon as Larry (he eventually bumped my professor's son out of the role ). I'm saying - picture them in their early 20s, and that's what I imagined on some of my "re-casts." Oh, and also a 30-somethingish Madeline Stowe as Nadine. Never did stumble upon a good Nick Andros - that one still kind of bugs me that I never nailed him down.

I read an interview with King in Fangoria back in 86/87 where he discussed casting. He liked Kurt Russell for Stu, and even seemed amiable to actors as different as Armand Assante and Richard Pryor playing Flagg.

For whatever reason, I always picture someone like Chad Lowe when I think about Nick Andros. Not sure why ... I couldn't be more indifferent to Chad Lowe if I tried.

I read F. Paul Wilson's novel The Tomb not long after seeing Dreamscape, and accidentally "cast" Dennis Quaid and Kate Capshaw as the leads.
post #35 of 46
I go with David Morse with Harry Bosch.
post #36 of 46
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I read an interview with King in Fangoria back in 86/87 where he discussed casting. He liked Kurt Russell for Stu, and even seemed amiable to actors as different as Armand Assante and Richard Pryor playing Flagg.
Pryor as Flagg is just about the worst possible Flagg I could imagine. Better Flaggs would include Paul Reubens, David Arquette, Wilford Brimley, and Keanu Reeves.

But George Carlin could maybe have pulled it off.
post #37 of 46
Re-reading The Stand recently, I had Danny Huston in mind for The Walkin' Dude, but I had William Fichtner in mind when I was reading the Dark Tower series. Strange how that works.
post #38 of 46
When I first read The Stand in the early 80's, I kept picturing Marjoe Gortner as Flagg. I have no rational reason why.
post #39 of 46
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Pryor as Flagg is just about the worst possible Flagg I could imagine. Better Flaggs would include Paul Reubens, David Arquette, Wilford Brimley, and Keanu Reeves.

But George Carlin could maybe have pulled it off.
I didn't think Pryor was such a bad idea at the time. Of course, this was around the time Jo Jo Dancer came out and showed Pryor in a pretty dark light.

Flagg is almost impossible to cast in The Stand, imho. So much of his character in the novel is based on how others perceive him. You'd almost need multiple actors to play Flagg just to be able to pull off the boogeyman/hustler/ordinary guy aspects of the character, because movies don't allow the kind of restricted POV a book can provide.
post #40 of 46
I don't read comics much these days but I had fun doing this when I did. I absolutely love reading Batman comics with Bale as Wayne and Conroy as Batman. I also enjoyed rereading NCFOM with Tommy Lee doing the monologues.

It actually kind of sucked that I couldn't use DDL for Plainview/Ross in Oil! since the dialect is written so differently.

Ian McKellan gets overused in my head novels, as does John Hurt.
post #41 of 46
I am totally guilty of this. In fact, sometimes obsessive to the point of casting even minor roles. Geeky, perhaps. Still, it can elevate the prose. Tell me No Country For Old Men wasn't improved by hearing Tommy Lee Jones & Javier Bardem in the dialogue?
post #42 of 46
I do this sometimes, especially with books I think would make good movies.
I can't read a Thursday Next story without picturing a deglammed Kate Winslet. I keep telling myself I could think of a more obscure actress who would fit, but no.
I always imagine Norrell from Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, as Ian Holm.
To be honest, I can't picture Rickman as Snape. Gary Oldman always pops up instead. Which is weird, 'cause they cast him as Sirius. Sirius comes up as Christian Bale.
post #43 of 46
I just finished reading Duma Key by King. My not so odd in-head-casting was James Caan as Edgar Freeman, the main character. The kind of odd casting was Ron White (as in from the terrible blue collar comedy things) as Jerome Wireman. I've never seen the guy outside of his stand-up act, but it just seemed to work. Interestingly enough, the character is from the midwest, but since I had already selected White, I heard all of his dialogue with a Texas accent.
post #44 of 46
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I mentally cast Tommy Lee Jones (one of my go-to guys) as Edgar and Jeff Bridges as Wireman.
post #45 of 46
You just blew my damn mind Nekkerbee.

Actually, in all seriousness, mentally changing it that way almost puts a completely different spin on the book. Oh, and Jessica Tandy was Elizabeth.
post #46 of 46
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I'm finishing off the final Dark Tower book right now and can't stop seeing Viggo Mortensen as Roland. Must be the LOTR influence.
For me, it was Hugh Jackman, because he looks like a young Man With No Name (Clint).

I saw Adrien Brody as Eddie Dean, even if he's not pretty enough.

And a mixture between Angus Scrimm and Julian Beck for the Man in Black, even if they're both too old.
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