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post #1 of 18
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

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Sue herself is defiant. "People don't understand how hard it is to keep a family like this going - no wonder we can't work. How could I go out to work with all these children at home? Local people call us scroungers and that is so unfair. We need the money to keep the family going.
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Jean says: "My own dad worked down the pit, but my mum didn't work, so I suppose I wanted the same life that she had when I grew up. I just wanted to be at home and live off other people.
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"I don't worry about the example I set to my kids or the fact that two of them don't work. It's up to them

There's much more in the article.
post #2 of 18
I thought this was going to be about the Duggars.
post #3 of 18
Wow.
post #4 of 18
and this is what happens when you have a socialist government, people who don't do a damn thing, expecting hand outs...and this lady wants a 10 bedroom house for nothing? good gravy what a waste of tax payers money!
post #5 of 18
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Yeah, I have no problem with supporting people when they are down on their luck, but when the parents teach their kids it's ok to be a worthless person, then there's something wrong with what's going on.
post #6 of 18
I'm curious to hear what some of the English chewers have to say about this, because I know very little about how the system works there, but it sounds to me like sensationalist bullshit. Sure, there are probably a few families like this in England and in the States, but this kind of story really exists only to rile up the right, rather than present an accurate version of how people on welfare actually are. It gets the conservatives up in arms as if tons of their precious, precious money is going to the lazy McFaddens and their "big TV," rather than to people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet.

If I'm not mistaken, the Daily Mail has a Fox News-style slant to the right.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
If I'm not mistaken, the Daily Mail has a Fox News-style slant to the right.
You are probably right. I don't read the site much, so I can't say for certain.
post #8 of 18
These guys are making around 60K a year ... doing nothing!
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
I'm curious to hear what some of the English chewers have to say about this, because I know very little about how the system works there, but it sounds to me like sensationalist bullshit. Sure, there are probably a few families like this in England and in the States, but this kind of story really exists only to rile up the right, rather than present an accurate version of how people on welfare actually are. It gets the conservatives up in arms as if tons of their precious, precious money is going to the lazy McFaddens and their "big TV," rather than to people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet.

If I'm not mistaken, the Daily Mail has a Fox News-style slant to the right.

Yep - definitely slanted that way.
Sensationalist perhaps, but grounded in some kind of fact, however spurious. There is a benefits matrix of sorts that will specify how much money and housing benefit is available, and it isn't a discretionary fund that will run out as unemployment does over here.

The Mail is a classic "mountain out of molehill" newspaper - watch for a one paragraph 'clarification' on page 27 in a week or so!
post #10 of 18
Plus, this article is just too funny to get angry about.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by James Kimbell View Post
Plus, this article is just too funny to get angry about.
Hasn't stopped people in the comments threads, and their rage hardly seems confined to the people in the article. The problem with stories like this is that they give the right the anecdotal evidence they so crave in justifying their hatred of the unemployed.
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
Hasn't stopped people in the comments threads, and their rage hardly seems confined to the people in the article. The problem with stories like this is that they give the right the anecdotal evidence they so crave in justifying their hatred of the unemployed.
Just imagine if they were fat too! Oh man!
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
I'm curious to hear what some of the English chewers have to say about this, because I know very little about how the system works there, but it sounds to me like sensationalist bullshit. Sure, there are probably a few families like this in England and in the States, but this kind of story really exists only to rile up the right, rather than present an accurate version of how people on welfare actually are. It gets the conservatives up in arms as if tons of their precious, precious money is going to the lazy McFaddens and their "big TV," rather than to people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet.

If I'm not mistaken, the Daily Mail has a Fox News-style slant to the right.

I've lived there. I saw it plenty. I think these folks are an extreme but I met many who were similar to this family and they were right proud of it.

Right or left you shouldn't be happy that YOU are subsidizing intentional layaboutery (dare you to use that word in a sentence!)
post #14 of 18
This is kind of story is exactly what DaveB characterizes it as, fucking propaganda. Somehow welfare has been portrayed as some sort of zero-sum gain for the poverty stricken. This attitude never ceases to amaze me. Who do you think drives the consumer reports that make investors get so wet? I'm no economist (hear that Sayid), but it only makes sense to me that giving some income to the classes that really do most of the spending fuels the economy. It isn't a short term type of deal, but it certainly aids in driving consumer spending (without as severe a credit issue). Consumer spending drives the market. This isn't a call to expand welfare, but I'm just saying hasn't mercantilism (I know mercantilism is based on the nation-state, but I think it is the same principle) been proven to be irrelevant? Maybe I'm naive, but this seems pretty fucking obvious to me.
post #15 of 18
I kind of respect these folks in a weird way. Work sucks and there is a small amount of people in this world who are able to make a living doing what they love. Hell, to paraphrase Doug Stanhope, 'if you haven't found your scam you aren't trying hard enough.'
post #16 of 18
I grew up in Pittsburgh. Basically in the neighborhood of Esplen, which is next to McKees Rocks. I saw tons of people (or families, though they were mostly of the broken variety) that were basically living their whole lives on welfare. They were not proud of it like in the story, but they sure were in no hurry to get a job. They knew that any job they got would not pay that much more than what they got from welfare. The thing that used to upset me the most about it, was that they ate better than my family. My Mom would coupon clip, sale shop, and always buy generic. They would eat all major brands, and basically whatever they wanted. When I worked at the grocery store, if you payed with food stamps, then more than half of your purchase was junk food. Which does not make it better actually, just a bigger waste of money. The other scam would occur with the WIC program. Mothers would always try to bring the formula back and exchange it for other products (or more than likely try to get a refund). Boy did they get pissed when they realized that our receipts carried a code that let us know that it was a WIC purchase. I have seen far more abuse of the welfare system, than people that really needed it.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by billylove View Post
Yeah, I have no problem with supporting people when they are down on their luck, but when the parents teach their kids it's ok to be a worthless person, then there's something wrong with what's going on.
My dad didn't teach me to be a worthless person. He told me I already was one. When I was five.
post #18 of 18
Hey, it gave you something to work towards when you were six, am I right?
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