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In Devin's "I Am Not A Fanboy" thread, one of the posters made a couple of comments about (a) the futility of posting on an internet message board, and (b) the presumed low social status those who do so. This type of thinking crops up from time to time, and I think it bears repudiation.

Let’s begin by addressing the so-called futility of message boards. This attitude is reflected in statements such as, “Who cares about what people write on an internet message board?” Another favorite is, “Let’s face it – we’re just wasting our time here, circulating messages among people we don’t even know.” I suggest three ways of viewing message board culture: the political, the artistic, and the personal. I’ll look at each, in turn.

First, the political. In their initial circulation, The Federalist Papers had a circulation smaller than that of CHUD’s Political Discourse message board. George Washington University professor Gregory Maggs wrote, “Although the exact circulation of these New York City newspapers (that published the Papers) remains unknown, the average circulation of daily and semi-weekly newspapers at the end of the 18th century was probably at most about 600 to 700 copies.” (Maggs, Gregory. A Precise Guide to the Federalist Papers as a Source of the Original Meaningn of the US Constitution) Yep, when yt or Seabass Inna Bun or any of the other of my esteemed and insightful interlocutors hold forth on domestic or international politics, they reach a wider audience than Publius. As with Publius, their arguments do not derive from their professional positions or the degrees on their walls or the size of their bank accounts. Their arguments depend on their intrinsic viability and on the skill of their proponents.

Second, the artistic. Every artist needs a medium, and the internet message board is the medium of choice for some of the smartest and funniest writers around today. Where are you going to find modern writing keener and funnier than the prose Nick Nunziata, Kevin Matchstick, Greg Clark, Clarence Beaks, Jeremy Slater, and the vast rogue’s gallery of CHUD wags create every day? Where are you going to find, day in and day out, religious and philosophical writing on par with DaveB’s – writing so elegant, accessible, and insightful that it qualifies as art? You’re going to find in on the CHUD message boards. It’s good for you, the reader, and it’s good for the creators. The humble internet message board is their canvas, and thank goodness for it.

Third, the personal. The internet message board can be a medium for self-actualization, as I’ve found in my personal life. I essentially coasted to a Magna cum Laude in the graduate program of a respected school on the analysis and argumentation skills I’ve honed here at CHUD. Hell, banging out a final exam on Chinese strategy in Africa or analyzing the future of Caspian Sea oil and natural gas politics is child’s play compared to defending the decision to invade Iraq against Micah Robinson. Further, the internet message board culture can help us develop our best selves through the freedom of anonymity. When I created the FrankCobretti persona, it was specifically to test the advice of Dale Carnegie’s How to Win Friends and Influence People. It worked and, over time, FrankCobretti came to represent an aspect of my best self. While I’m still much more apt to call someone a fuckin’ moron in person, I’ve internalized large parts of the patient, accepting Cobretti persona, and I’m a better man for it.

Now, let’s discuss the self-loathing of the “message board posters are unkempt Asperger’s cases who subsist at the very bottom of the social hierarchy” mindset. Honestly, I have no idea where this comes from. I’ve been involved in internet culture since AT&T experimented with the Gateway portal in 1986. I’ve had the good fortune of meeting a number of <>rs, listserve members, and Chewers over the years, and I’ve found them to be as likeable, charismatic, and attractive a cross-section of humanity as one is likely to find anywhere. No one can witness the beauty that is LD operating on an unsuspecting cutie and believe that Chewers are a bunch of guys who’ve never kissed a girl. No one can spend even 15 minutes with the Atlanta gang and believe that Chewers are misfits who are unable to carry on a quick, witty, hilarious conversation in person. We’ve got doctors. We’ve got lawyers. I strongly suspect that Lisa is an Indian Chief. Bottom dwellers? Pfah. Message board posters are some of the smartest, funniest, best-informed people around. Look around, baby – we’re at the top.

So, let’s have done with message board self-loathing. This is our forum. It has value. If it didn’t, we wouldn’t be here. After all, we’re too good to waste our time on worthless pursuits.

P.S. I'm sorry, I couldn't figure out how to name-drop all the quality posters here at CHUD. You're awesome!
post #2 of 109
Awesome post.

I can only speak from myself, but I know that I'm not necessarily a better person, but I'm definitely a more knowledgable and smarter one than I was when I joined CHUD eight years ago. A lot of that has to do with real world events, but part of it does have to do with the education I've gotten here. I could make a list of music, writing, etc. that CHUD, both on the boards and on the main page, has turned me onto. Stuff that I now love, and annoy all my friends by talking about.

I want to talk about the meanness, though. You hear that often from the trolls or the new guys who don't stick around: People are mean. People are sarcastic. People are bitter. I think a lot of that has to do with even the "nice guys" like myself or Ryan S or Greg or DaveB or even you, Frank, being around for so many troll invasions, or so many new people that joined who turned out to disappoint, that we become cautious. Naturally defensive.

I bring this up all the time, but one of the most sound thumpings I ever got was from Dre and Tony Ryan about what a film fan was. It boiled down to "You want to make moves? Watch a lot of movies. Watch as much stuff as you can." And it's taken a while for that to sink in, but I finally get it, and it's made me a better filmgoer. I'm more open, more willing to accept new things, try new things on my plate. And if it weren't for Dre and Dev and flyarz and the rest of the "mini-Devs" hassling me, not just about this, but a number of issues, I probably wouldn't have gotten it. (Granted, I had other things going on that wised me up, but I hope the point stands.)

The meanness isn't mean for the sake of being mean. It's a challenge.
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The truth must come out. The real reason I'm trying to lose weight is so Frank will want me as much as I want him. <3
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Damn you Patrick, you made me throw up.
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Yeah, come on, Patrick, this isn't the Uncle Dirty thread.
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Best post in the history of these boards?
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
Bottom dwellers? Pfah. Message board posters are some of the smartest, funniest, best-informed people around. Look around, baby – we’re at the top.
I wouldn't be so sure about this. A few nights ago I noticed that milquetoast loser Jon Cryer was wearing the exact same outfit as me on TWO AND A HALF MEN. A dark wake-up call, indeed.
post #9 of 109
CHUD has changed the way I view the world around me. I am no longer pro-Apartheid.
post #10 of 109
Dev and the mini-D's are not wrong, they are just assholes. No need for sugar-coating here. We've all seen them in action.

Frank, good post but totally unnecessary. The people who are part of the CHUD community already know CHUD's staff and Chewers are aces. It's those on the fringe who rail against that which they aren't part of. Ignore them.
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
CHUD has changed the way I view the world around me. I am no longer pro-Apartheid.
And for that matter I believe the dream of tasting great and less filling is something that humanity can and will achieve in our lifetime. CHUD boards will help us reach that goal!
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Originally Posted by Blofeld View Post
Best post in the history of these boards?
One of the best. Be happy to have a beer with any of you folks.
post #13 of 109
Patrick man, what the hell..
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Originally Posted by Blofeld View Post
Best post in the history of these boards?
Actually, Patrick has posted that pic before.
post #15 of 109
Group hug! But Patrick needs to put clothes on first.
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Exactly. Ripoll isn't Pontius. He can't just drop trow at a moment's notice.
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Patrick's body is actually reasonably toned, and his nipples are nice and pink, not a grizzled brown, which is a pet peeve of mine. 6 out of 10.
post #18 of 109
Let me guess McCartney, you like your nips at least quarter size right? Not the dimes Patrick's got.
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Dev and the mini-D's are not wrong, they are just assholes. No need for sugar-coating here. We've all seen them in action.
My point is that the fact that people can speak freely, and even be assholes, is one of the reasons that this board can affect change in people's thinking. Sometimes meanness is called for.
post #20 of 109
So glad I joined when I did. This site's been awesome to me and even when my dumb ass was making amateurish posts awhile back, I didn't sense any hostility. I learned the key to gaining a good reputation (not the green kind, the real kind) around here was to be mindful that this is everyone's playground. Rath was spot-on about that "challenge" bit.

Oh, and am I the only one getting lots of those naked promo pics PM'd to me by Patrick?
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Leave Patrick alone!!!!!

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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
My point is that the fact that people can speak freely, and even be assholes, is one of the reasons that this board can affect change in people's thinking. Sometimes meanness is called for.
Rationalize it all you want. Meanness is never "called for". It's a choice people make to get their point across or sometimes just to be dicks. I'm glad it worked out for you, but don't try and sell it as something its not.
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That yellow box is smaller than the other one.
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Originally Posted by Rene (Mr.Eko) View Post
That yellow box is actually smaller than the other one.
He's shrinking it with each new post!
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It was cold.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eaton View Post
He's shrinking it with each new post!
It's a tease for you Andrew.
post #28 of 109
I didn't rea d whatever the original poster wrote, so I'm assuming this is a thread about how much you hate yours/elf. Or how much muchyou hate yourself on these messageboards.

Whatever. All I know is I'm one of the worst posters on these boards.
post #29 of 109
I didn't rea d whatever the original poster wrote, so I'm assuming this is a thread about how much you hate yours/elf. Or how much muchyou hate yourself on these messageboards.

Whatever. All I know is I'm one of the worst posters on these boards.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eaton View Post
He's shrinking it with each new post!
DEAR GOD WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!!!
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
DEAR GOD WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!!!
In seven days, the yellow box will be completely gone!
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May god have mercy on us all! *Reaches behind the desk to get a red phone*

GET ME....THE PRESIDENT!
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Originally Posted by Rene (Mr.Eko) View Post
Group hug! But Patrick needs to put clothes on first.
And KEEP THEM ON FOREVER.
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A PATRICK RI-POLL

Is his body...?

a) supple
b) sickly
c) dear God this promising, heartwarming thread got ruined
post #35 of 109
d) a vehicle for attention whoring
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Originally Posted by Dean Stockwell View Post
I didn't rea d whatever the original poster wrote, so I'm assuming this is a thread about how much you hate yours/elf. Or how much muchyou hate yourself on these messageboards.

Whatever. All I know is I'm one of the worst posters on these boards.
hahahahahahahaha
post #37 of 109
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
In Devin's "I Am Not A Fanboy" thread, one of the posters made a couple of comments about (a) the futility of posting on an internet message board, and (b) the presumed low social status those who do so. This type of thinking crops up from time to time, and I think it bears repudiation.

ETC.


Brilliant Frank, that post goes a long way to explaining why Ive been here for 7 years and why Chud is the only bulletin board I visit with any regularity these days.

I have a life, have a wonderfully functional relationship, have many friends day-to-day, yet am also pretty darn grateful that Im a chewer.

This board rocks and its the people and level of discussion that makes it so.

Kudos Frank and thank you Chud.
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In seven days, the yellow box will be completely gone!

post #39 of 109
Jesus Christ! I'm gonna have to wash my eyes with bleach after I'm done laughing.
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How come that picture hasn't become the new Diva's Ass yet? It's been a couple days already. Should be overdone by now.
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This thread started out with such good intentions...
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I want to know why Patrick likes to wax...

...actually, no I don't.
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Yeah, sorry Frank ... moving subsequent images to the 2D thread :-)
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Brilliant and and just plain pleasant post by Cobretti, this board is indeed one of the best.

(The thread took a nosedive in Shit Creek with Uncle Dirty 2:Stained Nephew, though)
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I absolutely agree! CHUD is the best place to be for intelligently written articles and lively discussions.

While, I first joined the CHUD family just to post on the B-Action Thread, I soon discovered a wide range of brilliant and funny posts that makes me smile even now.

As for Patrick's picture....

"It Burns! It Burns!"
post #46 of 109
Great post, Frank. I think you hit on exactly why I keep coming back here even when (maybe especially when) life gets stupidly busy. During a stressful day or week or six months CHUD (front page and board) always feels like a warm comfy overstuffed chair in front of a roaring fire. You know you have more vital things to do but for the life of you you can't think of what they are. Or sometimes it's a brief break that allows you to carry on.

I think the most amazing thing is the Chewers ability to make me see things in a new light. Thanks to DaveB, Rath and a whole host of others I no longer think Knocked Up is a horrible movie. I see it as a flawed character drama trying to disguise itself as a gross out comedy. I can now appreciate Battlestar Galactica thanks to Martin Savage. I am much more likely to listen to a well thought out right leaning political argument because of you, Frank. I guess what I'm saying is that for every jack ass we get in here we get an LD, Amphibatron, Seabass, Tati, Iggy, MissZooey and LisayNY so it's well worth putting up with the trolls and SPers and just general morons to get to the best of the boards. Hell, even Devin and Slater post some great thoughts in between their snark.

And all of this is from people I only have a vague notion of what they look like ('cept Ripoll, fuck, dude, it's called puberty, it's a good thing). In fact, in some cases I don't want to know because if DaveB isn't John Cusack in High Fidelity my disappointment will be monstrous.

So, thanks are in order to Nick for hosting this motley crew and to the rest of you for making this the only board I visit on a daily basis (even when I really should be doing other things).
post #47 of 109
CHUD is probably the best site for movies on the web, but it's the boards that elevates it above the rest of the competition, even if some of the old timers bitch and moan that "it's not like it used to". Not that it really matters, because if you stay around there a high chance that the boards will make you a better filmgoer, and that alone is enough to suffer the legions of trolls that came and will come. And beside, there's a shitload of great posters around, many of whom have been named here, but there's more.

I can only chime in to agree with Frank and the others on that. Except Patrick, who's well on his way to perform the Buffalo Bill drag number.

Please don't.
post #48 of 109
You've really hit the nail on the head. I am still a newbie, but I am deeply impressed by the sharp intelligence of the articles written here. Especially those from the Politics and Philosophy sections.

Being from Singapore, I have certainly learned a great deal about US Politics from the CHUD Board. This Message Board has became almost a second home for me. I regularly check up on messages whenever I have the time during work and I eagerly await new replies to questions I've previously posted.

Molt, Eko and Chris have been almost like family to me at the B-Action Thread. We recently hit our 10,000th post mark recently and I sincerely like to thank everyone who contributed at the B-Action Thread to make it the stunning success it is today.

Thanks everyone!
post #49 of 109
Plus, frank is so awesome he can fly a jet up our asses.
post #50 of 109
Incredible post, Frank! I am not ashamed to say that part of being a chewer has integrated itself to my "real" life. It has already been mentioned, but discussions that I have read or taken part in on the boards have lead me to learn about topics and subjects that I may have otherwise overlooked. And this comes from the bad aspects of the board as well as the good. This has grown beyond being a film geek community and into being something much more enriching and inclusive. I have seen posts by DaveB that rival any article in major publications, I have heard music produced by Chewers that is better than anything that is playing on the radio (and even more that is worse), because of the staff I have been able to make people around me more aware of movies that deserve their monetary support and time. I have also made friends that, although I've never met face to face, I value.

There is no shame in what we post here, nor is it a fruitless endeavor. I think it's amazing that we live in an age where so many people from varying backgrounds and geographic locations can come together and discuss issues that are important to us and learn from each other.
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