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Frontline: Bush's War

post #1 of 20
3/27/08 at 10:35am
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The entire show can be seen here. And it should be. Professional rivalry, personal bias, and rushes to judgment all combined to set us on the path we're on now.
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post #2 of 20
3/27/08 at 11:57am
Watched it on Georgia Puplic Broadcasting the other night(s). Just supremely well put-together, with talking heads from so many different perspectives. Easily the best summation of events so far.
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post #3 of 20
3/27/08 at 4:33pm
I thought it was compelling, although I felt the past two years were completely glazed over in the final 10 minutes.
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post #4 of 20
3/27/08 at 5:29pm
I only caught part of it on Tuesday night, but plan to record part one tonight on GPTV (12:00am).

Hardly a second to catch your breath. No fat, just the disgusting facts.
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post #5 of 20
3/27/08 at 6:10pm
I haven't had to chance to watch this yet but it's clearly a must-watch. Thanks for posting!
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post #6 of 20
3/27/08 at 6:11pm
Thank you for this link, I heard about this only too late to watch on TV. Much appreciated.
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post #7 of 20
3/27/08 at 6:24pm
I really think you guys are really hard on Bush sometimes. You can't really prove that he did anything wrong. I find it interesting that PBS wrote this movie.
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post #8 of 20
3/27/08 at 6:33pm
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If you watched the show, Cheney and Rumsfeld are painted as the ones who beat the drum the loudest. If anything, Bush looks like someone who just chose the wrong people to listen to.
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post #9 of 20
3/27/08 at 7:02pm
Define "wrong". If you mean patently illegal, then maybe it can't be proven. If you mean wrong as in making the wrong decisions...well, there's no way you can mean that.
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post #10 of 20
3/28/08 at 1:02am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
If you watched the show, Cheney and Rumsfeld are painted as the ones who beat the drum the loudest. If anything, Bush looks like someone who just chose the wrong people to listen to.

I came away with a disturbing sense that the man who was elected to office to lead the country wasn't exactly the one making the decisions. Maybe that's my own personal bias seeping in but it seemed that Bush deferred a lot to Cheney and the rest.
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post #11 of 20
3/28/08 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
I came away with a disturbing sense that the man who was elected to office to lead the country wasn't exactly the one making the decisions. Maybe that's my own personal bias seeping in but it seemed that Bush deferred a lot to Cheney and the rest.
I have no problem with a President consulting with those who might have more experience or know more about the situation. It's when that President never seems to form his own opinion on anything and constantly agrees with those advisers that I have the problem.
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post #12 of 20
3/28/08 at 4:52pm
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I have no problem with a President consulting with those who might have more experience or know more about the situation. It's when that President never seems to form his own opinion on anything and constantly agrees with those advisers that I have the problem.
I don't have any problem with that either but it's pretty clear to me that any outside thought or opinion was quickly eliminated by Cheney and Co. because it didn't tow the party line. To me it felt like Cheney was making the decisions and offering the illusion that it was the President's policy and choice by "advising" him.

Speaking of that: Can someone point to one instance in this White House where Bush said "no" to Cheney?
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post #13 of 20
3/28/08 at 5:36pm
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I just can't believe that Dick Cheney's search for a running mate for Bush ending with Dick Cheney being the choice didn't sound gigantic warning bells everywhere.
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post #14 of 20
4/1/08 at 3:09pm
Interesting that the president personally intervened by ordering Fallujah attacked out of retaliation for the deaths of mercenaries hired by the invaders.
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post #15 of 20
4/1/08 at 3:17pm
Yeah, Cheney can excuse 4,000 American dead with the heartless "Well, they volunteered" line, but when a few very highly paid mercenaries get the 'Mussolini Treatment', we retaliate like nobody's business.
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post #16 of 20
4/1/08 at 3:28pm
If I recall, and I'm not in a position to check right now but I will be in the near future and someone else may remember the segment in greater detail anyway, the attack didn't occur at that time. The actual attack took place some time later, for different reasons. What's important is that Bush is perfectly willing to launch retaliatory attacks against civilians. Makes me wonder why his approval ratings are so high.

This documentary should be required viewing in all social studies or civics classes or whatever it is you call them, starting this September. It's outstanding work.
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post #17 of 20
4/1/08 at 3:45pm
I was impressed with this production. No one could dipute it as liberal paranoia since all the interviews were with high level officials who were there or well-respected reporters.

What surprised me while watching this was that Powell and Rice were not "chosen" by Cheney and Rumsfeld. The impression I always got was that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush Sr. and God knows who else in the background "ran" the Bush campaign and got their people installed in the key positions. They were the ones who ran the White House. Bush Sr. obviously wouldn't want his son to go down in flames, but was just proud to have his boy there, while Cheney and Rumsfeld would use him as the goat. The only theory I have for Powell being there was because he was black and well-respected and that would help quiet down those wary of the others.

I have much more respect for Powell after watching this.
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post #18 of 20
4/1/08 at 6:12pm
Powell will go down in history, and deservedly so, as a shameful liar after that performance at the UN.
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post #19 of 20
4/1/08 at 7:15pm
I haven't seen this yet, but Clarke's "Against All Enemies" painted W as a much more active participant in the decision to go to war, and not just as a patsy for Cheney and Rummy.

It's a pretty great book, by the way.
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post #20 of 20
4/1/08 at 11:25pm
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I haven't seen this yet, but Clarke's "Against All Enemies" painted W as a much more active participant in the decision to go to war, and not just as a patsy for Cheney and Rummy.

It's a pretty great book, by the way.
I'm sure he was....with Cheney's hand up his ass he'd probably sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic too.
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