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Violent anti-emo protests in Mexico, Hare Krishnas try to broker a peace agreement

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http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/27...roms-spre.html

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According to Daniel Hernandez, who’s been covering the anti-emo riots on his blog Intersections, the violence began March 7, when an estimated 800 young people poured into the Mexican city of Queretaro’s main plaza “hunting” for emo kids to pummel. Then the following weekend similar violence occurred in Mexico City at the Glorieta de Insurgents, a central gathering space for emos. Hernandez also reports that several anti-emo riots have now also spread to various other Mexican cities.

Via the Austin American Statesmen, several postings on Mexican social-networking sites, primarily organizing spot for these “emo hunts,” have been dug up and translated. One states: “I HATE EMOS!!! They are not even people, they are so stupid, they cry over meaningless things… My school is infested with them, I want to kill them all!”


Another says: “We’ve never seen all the urban tribes unite against one single tribe before… Emos, their way of thinking is for crap, if you are so depressed please do us all a favour and kill yourselves!”
Please check out the video in the link, it's in Spanish, but if you forward around minute 2 you'll see a single line of about 4 Hare Krishnas that all of the sudden sing their way between the mobs and calm things down.

Believe it, or not!

* Time mag article on this whole mess http://www.time.com/time/arts/articl...,00.html?imw=Y
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Probably the most bizarre story i've heard in months. And this is coming on the heels of that pregnant ladydude.

And this kid


Is a school shootout waiting to happen.
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How do you say "I'll give you something to cry about!" in Spanish?
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Attempted school shooting and failure in depth perception waiting to happen is more like it.
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How do you say "I'll give you something to cry about!" in Spanish?
I'll give you something to cry about, senor!
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And this kid


Is a school shootout waiting to happen.
I really hope he doesn't turn around. Because he'll just rip the head off of that girly-boy in the pink and black shirt behind him.
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Protest? Or an outdoor Latino screening of The Nightmare Before Christmas. You be the judge.
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Why they gotta hurt emo kids? Given a long enough timeline, emo kids will hurt themselves.


Seriously, though, can we put this emo thing to rest? It's about as valid a label as "hipster". Which is to say: not very.
post #10 of 122
Something tells me "Glorieta de Insurgents" will be a song title on the next Fall Out Boy album.
post #11 of 122
Fabulous American sub-culture moves south of the border. All I can say is, to Mexico - you're welcome!
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Keep up the good work anti-emo protestors! I salute you
post #13 of 122
Getting worked up about emos is about as significant as...wait, I'm SURE there's a good reason...as worthwhile as...erm...help me out here guys...

What's the difference between emos and goths again?
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What's the difference between emos and goths again?
Choice of cologne?

I'm not really sure. Can someone that knows more about labels clear up this discussion?

Thanks
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I know emos are a tad more colorful.
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What's the difference between emos and goths again?
Better music and more trench coats.
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Better music and more trench coats.
I hope you're talking about the goths there.
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Goth chicks wear corsets. Emo girls will fuck you without leaving bruises, however.
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Emmanuel Huerta, right, stands with his friends Antonio Garcia, center, and Oscar Medina at the Glorieta Insurgentes, a popular meeting place for “emo” teens, on Friday. (Jonathan Clark-Special to the Herald/Review)
post #21 of 122
Goths tend to affect existentialism and nihilism. The attitude is generally more introspective and disaffected. Seems to me that goths, punks, etc. are subcultural leftovers from the 80s, though.

Emo kids tend to be a tad more heart-on-the-sleeve, thus the name. The modern* emo kid has borrowed some of the more outré fashion tics from the goth subculture and the melancholy (here, flitered through a manic depressive lens that also allows for displays of overt happiness), but that's really about it.

Also, the music attached to each subculture is very different, which may not seem like a big deal, but when you're a teenager, everything's a big deal. Every 20th century teen subculture has had its soundtrack going back through punk, mod, beatnik, teddy boys, etc.

This is, perhaps, over-codifying things, but I figure if kids take subcultural differences seriously enough to stir up violence (or if adults take them seriously enough to convict on the basis of them), they merit some attention even from those of us who have long since outgrown this sort of thing.

* The emo kid in 1998 looked a lot more like what gets called a "hipster" today, and also probably wasn't so much a kid as a 20-something, who most definitely wouldn't have identified as "emo," just as the so-called emo bands of the time and earlier wouldn't have.
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There were hair spikes and hoodies everywhere. It was horrible.
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It's like the southpark episode about the Bums. Once they start popping up, they don't stop. Beware!
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Otherwise, you could be come one of them! So you decided to put some some product hair in your hair. Then you decide to get tighter clothes and it escalates and takes over and you can't be saved.
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I hope you're talking about the goths there.
Of course.

Better comparison, partially stolen from George Carlin: Emo is a weepy 5'0 girl with a bic razor whining, "Please fuck me." Goth is a pale 6'3 dude with a switchblade saying "Fuck everyone."
post #26 of 122
I'd say the latter fits into the Industrial/rivet-head deal but I'm not going to split hairs here.
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Is the world finally running out of things to hate?
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Is the world finally running out of things to hate?
No way, never underestimate the human capacity to find something to hate. Otherwise bullying would've ceased to exist thrity years ago.
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The motivation for this is so ridiculous;

http://www.listeninmusic.com/2008/03...w-this-coming/

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The Austin American-Statesman reports that punks and goths are up in arms because they believe that emo has co-opted and corrupted their styles. Anger has also sprouted among homophobes that see young emo boys as too effeminate (I’m guessing it’s the tight pants and guy-liner) and other elements that are threatened by the fact that emo-kids dress strangely (though why these people would then align themselves with punks I can’t say.)


The affected youths have begun to strike back, organizing marches in Guadalajara and Mexico City to protest the growing intolerance in their society - under police protection.
Ant-emo attacks in Chile (they call emos Pokemons)
http://www.thedailyswarm.com/swarm/u...r-calls-unity/
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Don't conform to The Man's thinking!



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Just conform.
post #31 of 122
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They are killing Goths in England;
http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlin...-emo-violence/

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A 15-year-old boy kicked and stamped to death a woman because she was dressed as a Goth, a court heard.
The drunk teenager was among a gang of five who “savagely and mercilessly” attacked Sophie Lancaster, 20, and her boyfriend, Preston Crown Court heard.

Miss Lancaster was begging the gang to stop beating Robert Maltby, 21, when they turned on her in Stubbylee Park in Bacup, Lancashire, the jury was told.
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Mr Shorrock said the gang had turned on the young couple simply because they were Goths or “moshers” and dressed differently to them.

Mr Maltby survived the attack in August last year but has not made a full recovery. He has no memory of the incident.
Mr Shorrock said the five, none of whom can be named, were “acting like a pack of wild animals”.
“The attack was totally unprovoked.
“It would appear that Mr Maltby and Miss Lancaster were singled out, not for anything they had said or done, but because they dressed differently to the defendant and his friend,” he said.

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The kid on the left looks like he just had his kitten taken away.
post #33 of 122
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Mexican "psychobillys"
http://danielhernandez.typepad.com/d...iego-20-a.html



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"Psychobilly is a little more about slamming, hitting, jumping, it's a way of getting everything out," Diego says. "There's a lot of pressure here, you need an escape." Diego is in a band himself, and is a huge fan of Los Pardos and Los Gallos.
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So like juggalos, but in Mexico?
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So like juggalos, but in Mexico?
Burritos?
post #36 of 122
Actually, more like Mexican Lucha Libre, but in... Mexico.
post #37 of 122
Whatever you call 'em, my initial "someone should smack some sense into these little morons" reaction to this is making me feel incredibly old.
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Emo is a weepy 5'0 girl with a bic razor whining, "Please fuck me." Goth is a pale 6'3 dude with a switchblade saying "Fuck everyone."
If that's the breakdown, make mine emo.

And I had to appropriate my tagline from this part of the Daily Swarm's coverage of this story. This shit's been giving me fits of laughter all week. And it's been a bad week.

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlin...e-not-violent/
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Los Darkys?
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Mexican "TV personality", Kristoff, ranting against emos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQsh...-mex/index.php

I'm curious what the reaction of those who don't speak Spanish is to this little 1 minute rant. It has a bit of English here and there but I think it must sound ridiculous even if you don't understand the language.
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Yup the "darkys" are the Goths in Mexico, the Pokemons the emos of Chile.

This is so awesome!
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We were not, we will not attack, we do not believe in that, for many years we have lived with these groups and although emos are recent, we have three years to live with them, why so far this happen? Sólo quisiéramos que los medios dejaran de repetir que somos los culpables”, agregó el representante darky. Only wish that the media stop repeating that we are the culprits, “added the representative darky.
And with that, my new user text is born.
post #43 of 122
At least Lucha Libre masks are an iconic symbol of Mexican culture, I don't think clown paint quite translates the same way to America..

That said, gangs of hundreds of people beating up a few scrawny emo kids?

They're going down, down in an earlier round
And Sugar, they're going down swinging
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He accepted, however, that it is not the duty of the press, or society, know or understand the ideology dark, but that was rejected tache “Gothic” to a group of people dressed in black or has an appearance similar to yours.

Did they translate this using Babel Fish?
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Wasn't this picture hanging in Eli Cash's apartment?
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Did they translate this using Babel Fish?
I remain unconvinced that they're not just making this whole thing up.
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Please check the link to the video on the first post, when the Hare Krishnas start marching between the emos and the anti-emo mob (calming down everybody), it is hard to believe this is not a movie.
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I remain unconvinced that they're not just making this whole thing up.
My first thought was that this had to be an Onion article.
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More on Chilean "pokemones"

http://www.newsweek.com/id/124098

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Rebels Without Cause

Chile's disaffected 'Pokemones' don't care much about politics. They're too busy having sex.

The teens call their public orgies ponceo. On a typical Friday afternoon in the Chilean capital of Santiago, hundreds gather in a leafy urban park for a few hours of sexual experimentation. Surrounded by passing strollers, they trade partners multiple times—mostly engaging in anonymous rounds of oral sex. When the party is over, no contact information is exchanged. Same-gender interactions are commonplace, as the lines between hetero- and homosexuality are blurred, partly by the alcohol and drugs consumed, but also by shifting social mores held by Chilean youth, in contrast to their conservative parents. "Ponceo is about having fun," says Natalia Fernandez, a 15-year-old with pink hair and a pierced chin. "This time I had seven partners."


Fernandez, like many others in the park, is wearing an anime T-shirt. Drawing inspiration from Japanese anime culture, the teens refer to themselves as "Pokemones." Their behavior, though, doesn't quite resemble that of the cartoon characters that once obsessed young TV watchers around the world. "It's shameless," says Gina Mazzini Aliste, a middle-aged woman in the park that day. "They act like ponceo is a competitive sport."
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More on Chilean "pokemones"

http://www.newsweek.com/id/124098
So, really, these kids aren't like emo kids much at all. That ponceo thing is pretty nuts. I like how the reporter put it into a political context, since it does seem like a statement of sorts, even if it's one the participants seem unwilling to recognize.
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