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post #1 of 255
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Figured this would've been up by now...

You know what's cool? Seeing Lastings Milledge belt a homer on opening day, you know, just in case I forgot. And, on top of that, seeing the two bats the Mets acquired for him batting behind the immortal Angel Pagan.
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Rockies sure dodged a bullet today. Francis pitched like crap, thankfully the rain washes everything away and we get a do-over.
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I'm a Mets guy (and a Red Sox guy. And a Nationals guy, but I don't like to talk about that), but I thought Lupica had a really great editorial in the Daily News today about the last season in the House that Ruth Built.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...y_one_las.html

I liked it because it was one of those mythology pieces, which I'm a sucker for.
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The fucking Cubs-Brewers game today was FANTASTIC. Excellent pitching from both starters up through the 7th - both Zambrano and Sheets were phenomenal. And Fukudome's 3-run belt in the ninth was brilliant. Too bad I had to leave the office right before the extra innings started. Really would have loved to finish that game. And Rath - the Nationals are looking pretty good so far. I know they're only two games in but with their 3-2 win over Atlanta last night and today's 10-6 victory over Philly they're looking strong.
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I'm a mets fan, and i think the only thing that worries me about the team this year is Delgado. With Alou gone, Delgado has to revert to his old self if the mets are going to be serious WS contenders. Obviously its only one game but he sure didn't look to hot yesterday.
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As a Yankee fan, I'm optimistic that next year our seasoned pitching staff will perform well in the playoffs. I'm looking forward to a year of Girardi at the helm.

Edited: Lupica wrote a nice piece. I typically avoid him like the plague, so thanks for sharing the link.
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Just bought my Phil Hughes jersey yesterday. I think I'm more excited about this season's prospects then a lot of people are. Most think the young pitchers may take another year but I'm betting (or just hoping) they come up big. Of course, Mussina's gotta deliver and that gives me heartburn.
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While for once I have confidence in the Angels' batting, the sketchy start to the season with the pitching injuries already scare me.
post #9 of 255
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
Just bought my Phil Hughes jersey yesterday. I think I'm more excited about this season's prospects then a lot of people are. Most think the young pitchers may take another year but I'm betting (or just hoping) they come up big. Of course, Mussina's gotta deliver and that gives me heartburn.
"Coming up big" is awful subjective, though, isn't it? I mean, they're all going to be on severe pitch counts this year (Joba isn't even going to start until, what, after the All-Star break?), so, even good performances will be tempered by the fact that they're not going to be able to go all that deep into games. So even if they do look great, you're suddenly relying even more on the likes of Kyle Farnsworth and LaTroy Hawkins.

But don't listen to me, I'm just projecting. The Mets just lost Pedro Martinez, and I don't care how hard they try to sugar coat it, I don't expect him back until June—at the earliest.
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Yankees are looking solid, I'd like their offense to get gong, but I guess it's tough for them in the cold. I hope their pitching holds up... I think Moose is going to have a long tough year ahead of him.

I don't know if there are any other Angel fans on the board, I know Vader will be interested. Mike Scioscia is going to be on Colin Cowherd's radio show today around 12:40. Maybe he'll talk about there injured pitching staff...
post #11 of 255
I used to wake up to Colin but I constantly just ignored it and kept sleeping.

I now put it to Rush Limbaugh. I'm out of bed so damn fast to hit that snooze button.
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So much for the Santana/Pedro 1-2 punch. The guy is a joke. Should give tons of hope tp Philly fans.
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Keep Joba in the pen. It's so fucking stupid to even consider putting him in the rotation. Obviously he has to prove it over more than the few months of experience he has, but, my God, you make him Rivera's heir apparent until he proves he can't do it. Yankee fans (and their front office) have not had to really worry about who was going to close games for over a decade. We could be looking at answering that question for another bunch of years. How many teams have had the same closer for even 4 years? If Joba is almost as good for half as long as Mo, that's 15 years of not having to ask "who's gonna come in and nail down our late leads?"

Keep him in the god damn bullpen.
post #14 of 255
What is going on with the Detroit Tigers? they were suppose to be a dominant force this year with that awesome line-up.
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I know, whats going on here. Something needs to click with the Tigers and soon.
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper View Post
Keep Joba in the pen. It's so fucking stupid to even consider putting him in the rotation. Obviously he has to prove it over more than the few months of experience he has, but, my God, you make him Rivera's heir apparent until he proves he can't do it. Yankee fans (and their front office) have not had to really worry about who was going to close games for over a decade. We could be looking at answering that question for another bunch of years. How many teams have had the same closer for even 4 years? If Joba is almost as good for half as long as Mo, that's 15 years of not having to ask "who's gonna come in and nail down our late leads?"

Keep him in the god damn bullpen.
And you know what the difference, potentially, between a closer and a starting pitcher is? Let's think back to 2003, the last time the NY Yankees made it to the World Series. Who do you think had a larger impact on that series, 2003 World Series MVP Josh Beckett and his 16.3 IP and 1.10 ERA, or Mariano Rivera's 4IP and 0.00 ERA?

That may have been a rhetorical question...

Choosing between a potential ace and a potential closer is not a choice at all, and that's all Joba Chamberlain has, potential. 2007 doesn't prove Joba's any more capable of replacing Mariano Rivera than becoming the NY Yankees answer to Josh Beckett.
post #17 of 255
After the sweep this weekend, all I can do is shake my fist at Nick and his Atlanta Braves. Jones goes 2 for 8 against his old team with 5 strikeouts. Dammit.
post #18 of 255
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic View Post
Choosing between a potential ace and a potential closer is not a choice at all, and that's all Joba Chamberlain has, potential. 2007 doesn't prove Joba's any more capable of replacing Mariano Rivera than becoming the NY Yankees answer to Josh Beckett.
Nevermind the practical effects of switching from a reliever to a starter. No less a pitcher than John Smoltz has talked at length about how difficult it was for him. It's a completely different kind of conditioning and preparation involved. Joba knows it. He talked in spring training about the importance of going into the season as one or the other. He's young and it's very early in the season, but still, that seems like a panic move for a team that doesn't need to panic.
post #19 of 255
Well, at 10-10 on April 21, Hank opens his mouth and he wants Joba in the rotation. I'm pretty sure Hank thinks Joba could start next week, not aware for the length of time it would take to make the switch.
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Well, I shut off the game tonight. Kennedy comes out, looks good. Abreu CRUSHES it to right for 3 runs, then what happens? Kennedy fucking blows it. So frustrating....hopefully these guys will come around eventually.

Does anyone feel that Phil Hughes being absent from the lineup for the next month or so is a good thing? I guess you could feel either way and be right, but personally I think its a bad. He'll lose a lot of arm strength over the period, and its gonna be tough to come back in another month with a big goose egg in your wins column.
post #21 of 255
And we have our first no-no of the season: Jon Lester of the Red Sox! whoo!
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You looking for this Chavez?
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You looking for this Chavez?
Yep.

It would be nice to have a search function that, uh, functioned.
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Anyway, it appears that the Central just may be the best division in the NL.
post #25 of 255
Looks like Pujlos might be out for a while.
Some sort of calf injury


Maybe he can recover like Pierce.
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Anyway, it appears that the Central just may be the best division in the NL.
Yep, although I can see this changing pretty fast now that Pujols is injured and Berkman's not insane. The Cubs' job just got easier.

NL West is looking weaker and weaker, while no one wants to play to their potential in the NL East (arguably the Marlins are, but their ceiling is only so high). Philly is slowly heating up though.
post #27 of 255
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Yep, although I can see this changing pretty fast now that Pujols is injured and Berkman's not insane. The Cubs' job just got easier.
The Brewers found a pulse, at least.

NL West is looking weaker and weaker, while no one wants to play to their potential in the NL East (arguably the Marlins are, but their ceiling is only so high). Philly is slowly heating up though.[/QUOTE]
post #28 of 255
I was up at 3:00 AM (because some winner threw our trash can at our front door) and I did a double take when I saw the breaking news bulletin on my computer that Willie Randolph had been fired. I haven't been following the situation closely; hard as it is to avoid NY baseball news, I do my best to try, but it seems incredibly weird and unprofessional to fire a guy in the middle of the night. Maybe I am blowing it our of proportion, but it's definitely a sign of disrespect. Even if Willie deserved it, which I have no idea about, I don't know why anyone would want to run their club like that. What do you Met fans think?
post #29 of 255
Between WFAN and the papers, everybody's going crazy over this.

I hate the Mets and delighted in their collapse last year, but this was a total dick move. Omar should be ashamed. Why they couldn't fire him last Thursday or even before that is beyond me. I imagine it was being completely indecisive.

I'm a Willie fan solely because of his Yankee ties, but he shouldn't have been fired. I watch enough of this team to know it's the players Omar's put together.
post #30 of 255
Omar is simply a horrible executive. He used to be the GM for the Expos, and he completely destroyed the franchise (it wasn't just the low revenues, trust me). He let Pedro Martinez and Vlad Guerrero go and somehow had one of the worst farms in the league by the time he left the team and they moved to Washington. He can't even take credit for David Wright or Jose Reyes as they were acquired before he became GM I believe.
post #31 of 255
Let's play MLB Jeopardy:


A:7+ innings of no-hit ball + offense tallies 8 runs, yet they make the game a nailbiter.


Q: "who are the Brewers?"
post #32 of 255
Anyone see A-Rod strike out with runner's on both corners?
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Anyone see A-Rod strike out with runner's on both corners?
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I guess A-Rod struck out twice with runners at the corners.
post #35 of 255
I hear the Twins have requested immediate approval to switch to the National League.


Win Twins!!
post #36 of 255
Dodgers get no hit and still beat the Angels. HA!

(damn we suck...)
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Did I miss something during the offseason? When in the flying blue blazes did the Rays get on top of the AL East? They're handing the Red Sox their asses! Seriously, what Florida voodoo did they conjure up during the off season for this to happen? Or, is David Ortiz that much of a factor that the Sox can't produce shit when he's not around?
post #38 of 255
I think everyone is surprised by just how well they're doing, but it'd been known for a couple years that they had a lot of talent coming down the pike. People are just so used to the Yankees and Red Sox being atop the AL East, and potential doesn't always yield a predictable result in baseball.

The Red Sox should be fine, unfortunately. Can't see them doing any worse than the wild card, and they should still win the division.
post #39 of 255
I'm sure they will be fine, yes, and TB definitely has a lot of good stuff coming down the pike, but I just hate seeing my team get swept, especially by The Devil Rays. There's just something...off-putting about it.

Well, as a Sox fan, I suppose this is good news actually. We always implode AFTER the All Star Break, so maybe this time we won't be pulling our hair out come late August and September.
post #40 of 255
It's a shame that the three best teams in the NL are in the Central. The East is really underwhelming and the West is just bad.
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It's a shame that the three best teams in the NL are in the Central. The East is really underwhelming and the West is just bad.
I'm pretty sure that at least ONE of the Brewers, Cubs, and Cards will fall back to earth.

My money is on the Brewers or Cubs, because you can't put aside those long traditions of irrelevance overnight.
post #42 of 255
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Originally Posted by alfalfa View Post
Omar is simply a horrible executive. He used to be the GM for the Expos, and he completely destroyed the franchise (it wasn't just the low revenues, trust me). He let Pedro Martinez and Vlad Guerrero go and somehow had one of the worst farms in the league by the time he left the team and they moved to Washington. He can't even take credit for David Wright or Jose Reyes as they were acquired before he became GM I believe.
Erm, I may be late to the party, but this post is just ridiculous. First, Omar Minaya wasn't the GM of the Expos when they "let go" of Pedro Martinez, that was Jim Beattie. Then again, the very idea that the Expos ever had a choice when it came to keeping prospective free agents is absurd, as they were never in a position, financially, to retain them (the one caveat being Vladimir Guerrero's first contract, but that exists as nothing more than the exception that proves the rule).

But yeah, you're fucking right about Minaya letting Guerrero go. I mean, sure, Guerrero was a free agent, and the Montreal Expos were being run by MLB, but I'm sure Minaya could have convinced ownership – a collective consisting of opposing owners – to come up with the resources necessary to beat Anaheim's $85 million dollar offer, with contraction looming no less.

If you want to attack Minaya's tenure with the Expos, you go after the Bartolo Colon trade, which, if you completely ignore context, looks ridiculously awful.

How the fuck can you possibly excuse trading Grady Sizemore, Brandon Philips (the centerpiece at the time) and Cliff Lee for Bartolo Colon you deranged Mets fan? Well, when managing the resources of a team that was to be contracted at any moment, chits like A ball prospects are practically meaningless. The Expos were looking to win now, as tomorrow was hardly a guarantee.

As far as his run with the Mets is concerned, Minaya's worst move to date was exposing Jesus Flores to the Rule V draft. One of the better Mets prospects at the time, and seemingly unaware of the rules in place, the Mets thought the chances of a team keeping an A ball catcher on their Major League roster for an entire season were minimal. But, apparently, they never met the Washington Nationals.

His next blunder was the Lastings Milledge trade, which, even in it's current state, I'm still firmly against. Beyond that, you're picking nits. Minaya convinced the Wilpons to open their wallets, traded Kris Benson for John Maine, and, for the most part, have yet to sign a single debilitating contract. Coming from where they've come from, Minaya's run is easily their best since Frank Cashen's (God, what an awful organization).
post #43 of 255
Sabathia to the Brewers, stud prospect Matt LaPorta is involved in the deal for sure, plus some low-level minor leaguers.

Not sure if I'm a fan of "rent-a-pitcher"; it would be different if I felt the Brewers' window was closing but I feel like it's barely starting to crack open.

Melvin has made FAR more good moves than bad, so I guess I'll trust the professional at this point.
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IIRC the Brewers were having bullpen problems. Have they solved that, or will this move allow them to move a starter to bolster the pen?
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IIRC the Brewers were having bullpen problems. Have they solved that, or will this move allow them to move a starter to bolster the pen?
If they keep Gagne off the field it will improve their pen. Checking their depth chart I would assume Seth McClung goes back to the pen. Not a huge help since he doesn't seem to be a guy they used when they had a lead.

Ball is in the Cubs/Cards court. Cards didn't impress me much this weekend and I doubt they will get anyone of value. Cubs should get another starter soon plus get Sori back.

If Yost doesn't get to the playoffs now he should definatly go. They have 2 shots and their competition is the Cubs, Cards, Marlins and Mets for those spots. Cubs will get one, the rest are dogs.
post #46 of 255
Josh Hamilton in homerun derby = ridiculous
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Utterly. I literally fell asleep halfway through the first round... but I woke up just in time. Those bombs were just incredible. He almost didn't look satisfied hitting them out... I think he felt like he should have been hitting them out of the stadium.
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Very happy to see Hamilton tearing up the derby. Go Josh.
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All right Hamilton!
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That was sort of like watching a guy do a 1080, half-court dunk in the first round only to trip over his shoelaces and lose to a guy doing a windmill.
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