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post #51 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Your annoyance reaction is overblown.
I wouldn't deny that. I have a pretty low tolerance for narcissism. But at the same time I wouldn't say it's racist.
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post #52 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:21pm
Thread Starter 
You probably hate pretty spoiled girls. They weren't sayingthey got kicked off for being white. You're spectacularly missing the point on this racism stuff.
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post #53 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:23pm
Yeah ok, bad example, never mind.
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post #54 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:25pm
The "attention whore" label thing is interesting, though - that's a label that I hear white people throw at Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton all the time. I think the people who leap to label those guys attention whores aren't entirely getting it, either.
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post #55 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
That's hilarious. Your annoyance reaction is overblown.
His annoyance is overblown? You mean, like, front-page article whining about sexy halloween costumes sucking the fun and imagination out of the holiday for you overblown? You have more than your fair share of 'overblown' annoyance.

It's a bad example with little bearing on the discussion here, but calling his annoyance overblown, when all he did was mention it in a single post is idiotic and hypocritical to a disgusting extent.
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post #56 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:34pm
Your outrage is overblown.
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post #57 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
The "attention whore" label thing is interesting, though - that's a label that I hear white people throw at Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton all the time. I think the people who leap to label those guys attention whores aren't entirely getting it, either.
I think this post is funnier when you look up and see Robert Downey Jr. in blackface.
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post #58 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by Kent View Post
I think this post is funnier when you look up and see Robert Downey Jr. in blackface.
Good call. I lol'd pretty hard at that.
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post #59 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey View Post
Women make up the majority of the population on this planet. Does this nullify all complaints of sexism?
I guess I should've said "dominant demographic in the existing socio-political power structure" instead of "majority", but I'm sure you can guess the answer to that question.

Also, people seem to be confusing "upset" with "annoyed". Yes, stupidity is annoying. It's the level of outrage that can sometimes reveal prejudice.
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post #60 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
Also, people seem to be confusing "upset" with "annoyed". Yes, stupidity is annoying. It's the level of outrage that can sometimes reveal prejudice.
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post #61 of 93
4/11/08 at 4:59pm
I grew up in predominantly white suburbs all my life, so I know for a fact that I'm racist. Luckily, I'm not racist enough that it really comes up. I'm just the sort of racist where I'm at a family reunion and I'm talking to my cousin about how Led Zeppelin ripped off blue's artists and my black uncle walks in the room, I stammer and bit and look at the ground before continuing to my conversation. That's a reasonable level of racism, I feel. At the very least, it's a functioning level of racism.
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post #62 of 93
4/11/08 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I'm just the sort of racist where I'm at a family reunion and I'm talking to my cousin about how Led Zeppelin ripped off blue's artists and my black uncle walks in the room, I stammer and bit and look at the ground before continuing to my conversation.
...the hell?
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post #63 of 93
4/11/08 at 5:37pm
My aunt married a black man.
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post #64 of 93
4/11/08 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I grew up in predominantly white suburbs all my life, so I know for a fact that I'm racist.
Why does that make you racist though? Unexposed to other cultures maybe, but racist? Uninformed opinions do not equal racism, and I think actual racism becomes that much harder to spot when people are throwing the "racist" tag on things left and right.
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post #65 of 93
4/11/08 at 6:08pm
Because I worry about appearing racist, I am less comfortable around other races. It's not to the point where I can't make eye contact, can't have a conversation, can't treat them with respect, but I become self-concious, and I begin to over-analyze the things that I say. I react to them differently because of their race. It's minor, but it's still racism. Even though it's from being neurotic, not from being hateful. I can recognize that and accept that.
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post #66 of 93
4/11/08 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
My aunt married a black man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah I get that. But how does that conversation make you a racist?

ETA: I see what you're getting at but you having neuroses doesn't make you a racist.
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post #67 of 93
4/11/08 at 6:12pm
I disagree. For example, I have two sisters and a strong relationship with my mother, so as a result, I tend to be overprotective of women. It's not misogyny, but it's still sexist.
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post #68 of 93
4/11/08 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
Because I worry about appearing racist, I am less comfortable around other races. It's not to the point where I can't make eye contact, can't have a conversation, can't treat them with respect, but I become self-concious, and I begin to over-analyze the things that I say. I react to them differently because of their race. It's minor, but it's still racism. Even though it's from being neurotic, not from being hateful. I can recognize that and accept that.
I agree with Ryan; that's not racism, and anyone that tries to tell you otherwise doesn't understand racism. Simple example: If you are uncomfortable around people of other races because you think they are beneath you in some way, that's racism. If you're uncomfortable because you don't understand them and are worried about saying the wrong thing, that's not racism.
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post #69 of 93
4/11/08 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
. I react to them differently because of their race.
Patrick understands racism.

What you other guy's are talking about is bigotry.
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post #70 of 93
4/11/08 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
Patrick understands racism.

What you other guy's are talking about is bigotry.
Sort of. In this case I'm actually referring to Patrick in the specific not his actions in the general. Patrick has pointed out that he feels bad for a band performing the same song over and over again regardless of how said band actually feels. He is projecting his neuroses onto that situation and is likely doing the same here. It may be ignorance (in the true sense of the word) but it's not racist.
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post #71 of 93
4/11/08 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
Patrick understands racism.

What you other guy's are talking about is bigotry.
Maybe. Not according to the dictionary, though. Reacting differently to people of another race is not, per se, racism.
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post #72 of 93
4/11/08 at 7:30pm
Patrick's reactions are separate but equal.
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post #73 of 93
4/11/08 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
I would say that this instance would qualify as a social distinction.
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post #74 of 93
4/11/08 at 7:48pm
Well, I kinda just hate everybody.
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post #75 of 93
4/11/08 at 8:06pm
This article has something to say about the subject

And Smeagol, do all of us a favor and slink back to the comics section to fulfill your Aspergin' needs.
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post #76 of 93
4/12/08 at 12:28am
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Originally Posted by Ali Mohamed View Post
And Smeagol, do all of us a favor and slink back to the comics section to fulfill your Aspergin' needs.
No.
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post #77 of 93
4/12/08 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I would say that this instance would qualify as a social distinction.
And that definition is pretty much inclusive to "what everyone does every day when one interacts with someone of their race or of a different race" It's too vague to be useful.

By the way, in which way do you feel you nullify or impair your Uncle's human rights by becoming Woody Allen when he walks in on a conversation? First, you are assuming he cares. Second, since you wield almost zero power either socially or economically over the man you are incapable of doing damage socially or economically to him by act of conversation.

Or are you assuming that you do wield some power socially or economically over him by virtue of you being white and he being black? Then that would be racism and we can agree that you're a racist pig *insert smilie face here*
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post #78 of 93
4/12/08 at 11:22am
I strongly believe that being able to talk to me is an inalienable right of every man, woman, and child on this planet*. I'm just that awesome.

*Unless they don't speak English, in which case, fuck em.
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post #79 of 93
4/12/08 at 3:15pm
I grew up in Maine, so...I have what Patrick has times 20. And now I'm in Georgia. Hilarity ensues.
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post #80 of 93
4/12/08 at 4:37pm
I think racism has more to do with intent (I know, because I've been the target of it before, along with some family members). Patrick's stammering seems to come from insecurity not maliciousness or ignorance...he has a desire to connect with his uncle, but thinks any talk of racial distinction will make the man angry.

That's got to be the kindest and most thoughtful racism I've ever heard of.
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post #81 of 93
4/12/08 at 4:38pm
It's some kind of double reverse racism. He's so scared to sound racist that he can't say anything.
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post #82 of 93
4/12/08 at 4:51pm
What the fuck does "reverse racism" mean anyway?
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post #83 of 93
4/12/08 at 4:55pm
Nothing.
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post #84 of 93
4/12/08 at 5:32pm
I find such annoying, and yes, I'm a racist. But oddly enough, not against black people. Polynesians, man. Fucking blubbery fucking ukelele-toting fucking Polynesians.
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post #85 of 93
4/12/08 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
What the fuck does "reverse racism" mean anyway?
It's pretty much meaningless, but I've seen it used by white people complaining about affirmative action: "they gave that job to a black guy over a more qualified white guy? That's reverse racism!" Anyway, I meant it as a joke.
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post #86 of 93
4/12/08 at 10:20pm
It strikes me that Patrick is mostly just xenophobic, and by not having an opportunity to spend time with people outside of his white culture, when confronted with something foreign he reacts guardedly. Which is a form of racism, I guess.

Ultimately, I've found that class is always the biggest gulf, as the education system in America is so throughly fucked. One of the people I'm closest with at work is Hispanic, a number of others are Asian, and when we're together sometimes we joke about our different races, but the people I tend to not get along with of any color are the dumb ones. But then I can get along with them as well, though often because they stupid things, and that's funny.
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post #87 of 93
4/12/08 at 11:08pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
It strikes me that Patrick is mostly just xenophobic, and by not having an opportunity to spend time with people outside of his white culture, when confronted with something foreign he reacts guardedly. Which is a form of racism, I guess.
Or just social anxiety exacerbated by the otherness of a different race.
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post #88 of 93
4/13/08 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
Chavez, the point was essentially that he hates white people who complain about racism.
Well, that isn't what he typed.
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post #89 of 93
4/14/08 at 12:57am
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
Well, that isn't what he typed.
No, it sure as hell was not. I wonder if we can do this too, where we say something stupid and when it falls apart under a barrage of criticism we can go "Oh...well...I meant THIS..." and then scamper off and people reward us for it.
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post #90 of 93
4/14/08 at 1:47am
After reading this thread, all I could think about was this Esquire article from way back:

The Manifesto of Ascendancy for the Modern American Nigger

Really terrific read, but you'll probably have to read up until the last few pages to "get" why I feel it fits with the discussion here.
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post #91 of 93
4/14/08 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
but the people I tend to not get along with of any color are the dumb ones.
Dre brings the truth.
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post #92 of 93
4/14/08 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
I find such annoying, and yes, I'm a racist. But oddly enough, not against black people. Polynesians, man. Fucking blubbery fucking ukelele-toting fucking Polynesians.
There's one Polynesian guy in all of Alberta. Why do you hate poor Ariki?
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post #93 of 93
4/14/08 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Dre brings the truth.
That was the point I was going for - stupid people ARE annoying, whether they are holding up the fucking grocery line or making baseless claims of "racism."

Dumb crosses all color/creed lines.
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