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Civilization Revolution

post #1 of 128
4/11/08 at 12:36pm
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http://ps3.ign.com/objects/947/947168.html

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Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution offers players a chance to experience the epic empire-building world of Civilization in an all new accessible, visually immersive, and action-packed world specifically designed for the console and handheld gamer. [Ed. - ouch!] There are 16 civilizations to master and lead to victory, with an array of famous historical leaders to play as or compete against, and accessible maps and streamlined time scale for quicker games, intense combat, and constant action.
In multiplayer mode, players will compete for world conquest and glory among their peers as they battle in teams, head-to-head or epic free-for-all matches. In addition, auto-matching, ranked games, leaderboards, achievements, downloadable extra content and integrated video and voice chat make the online play more versatile and fun than any previous version of Civilization and will allow players to see where they stand against the competition. Finally, the position of ruler of the world can be settled online.
The newest incarnation of the world's biggest time sink conquers 360, PS3, and DS in June. Revolutionary step forward in the franchise, or watered down version of Civilization IV? I'll try to be cautiously optimistic.
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post #2 of 128
4/11/08 at 1:26pm
Yeah, I've been following this for a month or two. The multiplayer sounds like a blast--I'll definitely be on XBOX Live with this one.

It does seem a bit watered down from Civ 4, but isn't this one of the first Civ games Sid Meier has actually worked on in awhile?
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post #3 of 128
4/11/08 at 1:33pm
Civilization on consoles? Hah! Being watered down will not do. It will have to be vaporized. It will end up completely unrecognizable. Fallout: Brotherhood Of Steel and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance should expect company.
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post #4 of 128
6/11/08 at 10:25pm
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/15115/1/MCP-CIVLIZATION-REVOLUTION-IS-AMAZING-SORRY-PC-GAMERS/Page1.html

Bump!

Can't wait.
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post #5 of 128
6/11/08 at 10:45pm
Another great franchise lost for Pc.

Sad
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post #6 of 128
6/11/08 at 10:48pm
I played the demo, being a long time Civ fan. They did a pretty good job making it work. Some of the hardercore aspects, like WORKERS, didn't seem present, and I missed that. But it's still fun and still has that "one more turn" aspect. If you don't keep up with computer stuff and want a really solid, fun turnbased strategy game, this one seems to be a really fine option. I think, though, I'd rather just play Civ IV on my computer. 'Cause Civ IV is AWESOME.
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post #7 of 128
6/11/08 at 11:23pm
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Yeah, IV is arguably the greatest strategy game ever made. A lite version can't hurt, but I can't see it topping Beyond the Sword.
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post #8 of 128
6/12/08 at 12:13am
I thought this was also coming out for the Wii.
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post #9 of 128
6/12/08 at 12:56am
It was supposed to and still might, but they scrapped it for the time being. There doesn't seem to be any reason they couldn't, though.

The multiplayer in this (in even the limited demo) is incredibly addictive, so I'm really looking forward to playing some of you bastards in a month.

And Civ 4 really is a fantastic game. Although I was always annoyed at how weak the nukes were.
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post #10 of 128
6/12/08 at 1:33am
Yeah, but nukes were evil fuckers back in the day. Like, Civ 2 back in the day. The major problem is balance with something like that. Such as pikemen still, occasionally, killing your tanks. So, having nukes, what would be the ultimate weapon, slightly nerfed, is cool.

Also cool, Alpha Centari. Hey, fuckheads! Let's get a kickass remix/update of that business!
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post #11 of 128
6/12/08 at 2:54am
Never played Alpha Centauri. I should remedy that, eh? Was hooked on Civ 2 for a very long time, though.

Speaking of, you guys might want to keep this link handy- http://www.civanon.com
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post #12 of 128
6/12/08 at 3:09am
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Never played Alpha Centauri. I should remedy that, eh? Was hooked on Civ 2 for a very long time, though.
Alpha Centauri is amazing, it has a few balance issues with the factions, but other than it is the best "Civ sequel" aside from 2.

I'm really looking forward to Revolution I found I couldn't connect with Civ 3 or 4, maybe I'm dumb but I enjoyed the simplicity of Civ 2. The DS version looks tempting, but then I would end up missing out on the multi player so I may have to go with one of the console versions.
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post #13 of 128
6/12/08 at 4:23am
You know, Civ 3 didn't do it for me, either. It was fine, but I'm with you. The simplicity, the bareness of 2 was perfection. But for some reason, 4 just really clicked. I would say it's probably the best, the penultimate Civilization game, the one that got it all right.

And Alpha Centauri is fuckawesome. It's Civ in space. Where you can Nerve Staple your workers to make them work faster. God, it's good. I've still got my disc somewhere...
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post #14 of 128
6/12/08 at 5:35am
Still, it's Civ:Lite to my eyes, not a full Civilization game. It's a matter of perspective I guess.

As for Alpha Centauri. I'll always love that game, if only for having the most intimidating looking tech tree poster. My friends' expressions when they saw it on my wall alone were worth the price. "That's for a game?" Heh.
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post #15 of 128
6/12/08 at 5:43am
I played the demo and dug it except for the advisers. Their look and their voices make the game too cartoony. I'm trying to conquer the world and stereotypes barking at me in gibberish just breaks the illusion.
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post #16 of 128
6/12/08 at 6:00am
I like it. The interface seems pretty slick, and surprisingly effective. Plus, I was highly amused by the rampant gayness of Alexander the Great.

And I actually found Alpha Centauri more engaging than any of the Civ games, myself. I played the hell out of that. And my wife still kicked my ass at it. The woman practically worships Civilization.
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post #17 of 128
6/12/08 at 7:25am
Did any of you guys manage to get a spy in the demo? His sneaking music is greatness, I also had Cleopatra pull a knife on me when I was dallying over declaring war or not.

So yeah, this is going to be a definite purchase. I look forward to playing with some of you guys in the next few months. Also I think we in the UK are getting this in a few days time, which is like one of the first times I've seen a game get released over here before the US.
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post #18 of 128
6/12/08 at 8:32am
It's out tomorrow.
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post #19 of 128
6/12/08 at 8:48am
I'm definitely going to have to check this one out. This is a genre I've only dallied in at times in the past, and I never gave it enough time for any of them to sink in and allow me to get comfortable (which is a good thing I guess, considering the time-sink possibilities). Sounds good.
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post #20 of 128
6/12/08 at 11:18am
My PC is old enough to where it can't run #IV, so, alas, I never got to play it. But I'm thrilled I'll be able to play Civ on my DS. I really hope the DS version holds up.
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post #21 of 128
6/12/08 at 11:31am
Can't wait till I figure out how to command my troops all at once. For some reason one unit at a time was all I could "war" with. Of course I'm not hugely into the genre of game but this one has kind of roped me in. Be gentle with the advice.
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post #22 of 128
6/12/08 at 11:51am
I downloaded the demo the other night while playing Ninja Gaiden but I haven't had a chance to give a spin yet; maybe tonight. Still, I'm glad that it's getting a good response from everyone on here. I was really excited when I read the preview a few months back and I'm glad the game seems to live up to my expectations.
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post #23 of 128
6/12/08 at 12:30pm
It figures; My XBox dies, the one new game that will amke me NEED and Xbox comes out!
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post #24 of 128
6/13/08 at 6:04am
Impressive how they managed to make a civilization trailer look cool. Don't get me wrong, I love the game - and obviously they threw in plenty of cutscenes - but it's such a hard game to sell to a console crowd.
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post #25 of 128
6/13/08 at 10:39pm
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It's out tomorrow.
Not here it's not. God dammit.
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post #26 of 128
6/14/08 at 1:19pm
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I like it. It plays like a super-streamlined version of IV (no unit upkeep or city health, which is actually pretty nice). Worker automation makes for faster games, but takes away a lot of the fun of city building. I wish they'd tweaked combat unit controls, since stack management seems broken. I like the ability to group units into armies, but when moving a big stack across the map, it's really frustrating to not be able to move all of them at once.

I can see this being a great intro to Civ IV, but from what I see now, it only scratches the surface of what's available in IV or Beyond The Sword.
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post #27 of 128
6/14/08 at 6:01pm
Well, to say it's an intro is to assume that anybody who plays this will want more complexity and content. Personally, I've always found these games on the PC to be just a wee bit too much. I don't like spending ten hours at a shot on a game, and I'm not really into saving a game with that much going on and trying to pick up the threads a couple of days later. I actually really like the essential boiling down they've done on this, as I think it makes it a more playable game. I know the die-hards will vehemently disagree, but there's only so much micromanagement I can find fun.
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post #28 of 128
6/15/08 at 12:37am
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It'll definitely be more accessible for folks who don't know anything about the series- and, if they really like it, they may want to try something a little deeper. Like I said, I like it, but for me, it's a little like eating cheeseburger when you have a fillet mignon on the grill. Both are good, but die-hards like me probably won't buy it.
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post #29 of 128
6/15/08 at 3:24am
I don't know. My wife is a pretty big die hard, and she's all excited about it after playing the demo. We'll see if it has legs for her, or if she goes running back to the PC.
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post #30 of 128
7/11/08 at 4:02am
I got this. It's great. I'm going online with it probably next week, so if anyone wants an easy win, let me know.
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post #31 of 128
7/11/08 at 8:33pm
I'll have to play it more to be sure, but I think I may prefer the "Cheeseburger" in this case.

Of course, the PC version has things like bigger maps that this version simply can't, and things like better stack control that for some reason this one doesn't... but the removal of a metric ton of micromanagement puts the focus on to the main strategic decisions in the game, which is how I greatly prefer it.
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post #32 of 128
7/11/08 at 8:58pm
Not thrilled about having to buy what were core Advances in the PC version as DLC for this version.
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post #33 of 128
7/12/08 at 4:43am
Oh really? That's piss.
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post #34 of 128
7/12/08 at 7:41am
If you guys don't hear from me anymore after this weekend, it's because I died of sleep deprivation over this damn game.

Must stop.
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post #35 of 128
7/12/08 at 9:22am
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If you guys don't hear from me anymore after this weekend, it's because I died of sleep deprivation over this damn game.

Must stop.
Well if you happen to be around, what level are you playing at? I used the Warlord level as a tutorial but from anything after that I'm getting my ass handed to me. It's like a massive spike in hardness.
In one game I lost within 5 turns because the Zulu faction declared war upon meeting me and with it's +1 movement benefits, out manuvered my warrior and captured my unguarded city. That was humiliating.
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post #36 of 128
7/12/08 at 4:00pm
Yeah, the Zulus can be assholes. I just played a game where I got surrounded by China, America, and Germany and had to just defend my little peninsula, stacking multiple tanks in Madrid and going for a Techno victory. It ultimately timed out and I won by Domination.

Gonna push it up to King, I think.
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post #37 of 128
7/14/08 at 1:56am
After learning how all the changes affect gameplay, I'm up to Emperor/Deity. Emperor ranges from not hard enough to be a real challenge, depending on starting location and some luck, while the same factors make Deity either a challenge or a massive asskicking.

The weak diplomacy is my biggest disappointment in the changes, although I do appreciate that the AI pays attention to how you're trying to win, so is behaving more like a person would. Having Gahndi scream that he'll never let me reach Alpha Centauri is a hoot.

Some of the "consolization" belongs in the PC version for sure. Town-to-town roads work well, making this the first Civ game where maps don't look like a spider web. Worker controls are streamlined nicely. All in all, I spend a lot less time crunching numbers and a lot more time plotting my next strategic moves. If the PC's Civ5 could capture those concepts and team them with Civ4's bigger maps and more sophisticated AI/Diplomacy system, I'd be in danger of merging with my chair from too much play time.
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post #38 of 128
7/15/08 at 12:49pm
I breezed thru the first two levels and have had my ass handed to me in King. I have finally figured out how to be technologically competitive but have found that I just can't expand enough. Everytime I try to build over 3 cities of my own my defenses become too thin and I become an easy target for any aggressive civ. It's getting a little better with every game I play (which I understand is part of the point) but I can't even imagine what deity level must be like. Love the game though, a hybrid of this and civ 4 would be a perfect game. I'll be playin online soon enough with my PS3 if anybody is interested.
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post #39 of 128
7/15/08 at 1:18pm
This game reminds me why I quit computer games and switched to video games. MLB 08 never kept me up 'til three in the morning!
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post #40 of 128
7/15/08 at 1:55pm
still play (and love) Civ 2. didn't get on with Civ3.

So for someone with a love for just how much fun Civ 2 was is this worth picking up?
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post #41 of 128
7/16/08 at 3:54am
I'm beating King now, but it took some whuppin's to get there. This is certainly the most addictive console game I've encountered since Rock Band. But then, I've never really been into the standard gaming genres.
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So for someone with a love for just how much fun Civ 2 was is this worth picking up?
Well, my wife is a major Civ junkie from way back, and she's enjoying the hell out of it, so that must mean something.
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post #42 of 128
7/16/08 at 10:59am
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still play (and love) Civ 2. didn't get on with Civ3.

So for someone with a love for just how much fun Civ 2 was is this worth picking up?
I was playin civ 2 on my PS3 prior to civ rev. Civ 2 and 4 are definately more in depth but civ rev is very addicting. In Civ 2 I would sit back and concentrate on non-military techs and try to build wonders. In Civ Rev, game play is faster and you definately have to pay much more attention to the defense of your cities and the taking over of other's cities. I have not played online yet (I still need to get my strategies straight) but I would imagine this will be a blast vs other people.
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post #43 of 128
7/16/08 at 11:02am
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I'm beating King now, but it took some whuppin's to get there. This is certainly the most addictive console game I've encountered since Rock Band. But then, I've never really been into the standard gaming genres.

Well, my wife is a major Civ junkie from way back, and she's enjoying the hell out of it, so that must mean something.
I just beat King last night and will be movin on to Emperor soon. Do you know if you get something special (possibly unlocking something) for beating each level in all the different ways (tech, domination, etc)?
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post #44 of 128
7/16/08 at 12:52pm
There are achievements for winning each victory type, and separate ones for doing it at King or above. There's also one for winning with one city at King or above, which I haven't had the balls to try yet.

One of the things I love about this is that the speed with which the game moves forces you to really focus on one strategy from the beginning. You just don't have time to goof around and see how things go. If you want the cultural victory, you've got to get right on it.

I have yet to win by domination. It just doesn't seem like there's enough time to even find everyone's capitols, much less take them out.
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post #45 of 128
7/16/08 at 1:02pm
I've gotten on Domination win the legit way with the Zulu. Tanks are key. Although that was Warlord. I also got one just by timing everyone else out.
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post #46 of 128
7/16/08 at 1:13pm
Oh yeah, I forgot about the domination by default. I almost pulled that one off, but I made it to the tech victory, and decided to take it.

And I agree, if you're going to assault cities, tanks are required. Although I am pretty terrified when I see those artillery trucks heading for my cities.
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post #47 of 128
7/16/08 at 1:17pm
Damn, I want to go get NCAA 09 today, but this is sounding better and better the more I hear about it. Maybe I'll just reinstall Civ IV on my PC for now....
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post #48 of 128
7/16/08 at 1:23pm
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If you're a big Civ IV buff, I'd like to get your opinion on this; I've only played the demo, and that left me amused but a little cool. Pick up and play is always fun, but for me, the best parts of Civ IV come from all of the tinkering you can do.
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post #49 of 128
7/16/08 at 1:26pm
Yeah, this game isn't about the little tinkering jobs. It's all about the over-arching strategy. If you like to fiddle around with the details of 30 cities, this ain't that game. I've always felt like Civ was just a wee bit too much once you grow to a certain point, so this is a dream game for me. Doing away with detail-oriented city management makes me more than happy.
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post #50 of 128
7/16/08 at 1:35pm
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Yeah, this game isn't about the little tinkering jobs. It's all about the over-arching strategy. If you like to fiddle around with the details of 30 cities, this ain't that game. I've always felt like Civ was just a wee bit too much once you grow to a certain point, so this is a dream game for me. Doing away with detail-oriented city management makes me more than happy.
Well shit, looks like this is going to be one expensive trip to Best Buy....
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