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post #51 of 79
I've heard the last two songs. Plus a cover of "The Weight."

I pre-ordered from iTunes. I think this is the best work they've done.
post #52 of 79
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Anyone track down the bonus songs yet?

I managed to find "Pig," and even though it's been around for a while in demo form, this was my first exposure to the whole song - And damn if it isn't one of the sweetest, most surprisingly moving songs Rivers has ever written... and it's all about life in the barnyard.

*shrug* I love it.
post #53 of 79
I'm no Weezer historian, but apparently Pork and Beans was the required generic song. Trouble maker is really, REALLY good. I love this song. It should be the remembered single.
post #54 of 79
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Originally Posted by Belmont View Post
Anyone track down the bonus songs yet?

I managed to find "Pig," and even though it's been around for a while in demo form, this was my first exposure to the whole song - And damn if it isn't one of the sweetest, most surprisingly moving songs Rivers has ever written... and it's all about life in the barnyard.

*shrug* I love it.
You're not kidding. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't drop the extra two bucks for the Deluxe Edition. These bonus tracks are so, so good.

And fuck the backlash this album will inevitably receive. This is brilliant stuff. I'm not sure if this is the best album they've ever done, but it's sure in the running.
post #55 of 79
Yeah, I'm a sucker for a good hook, and this album's got 20 of 'em. I love the new songs, too. "Miss Sweeney" is awesome, and so's "Pig".
post #56 of 79
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I think this is the best work they've done.
No no no no no no.

But it's pretty good. The best work they've done since '97, for sure.
post #57 of 79
This news story is pretty interesting...

Weezer and Manga Together forever!
post #58 of 79
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No no no no no no.

But it's pretty good. The best work they've done since '97, for sure.
I love PINKERTON as much as anyone, but I really took to this album more.
post #59 of 79
I can't stop listening to this album. At the moment the worst song is probably "Automatic". "Cold Dark World" has been the definition of a grower for me.

Chorus of "Miss Sweeney" has been in my head all day.

"Pig" is just a beautiful, beautiful song.

I can't rank it out of their albums because I can't bring myself to put their albums in a list like that, but this is definitely up there.
post #60 of 79
Weezer just release their album in Japan with a bonus track a cover of a BoA song. BoA is the Korean equivalent of Britney Spears with a little bit more class.

Read about it here.

BoA releases a lot of her songs in Korean and then in Japanese. I'm pretty sure Rivers is singing the japanese version.
post #61 of 79
Alright, I got the album (bonus tracks as well) and after taking it all in over the past few days I gotta say I love it. At first I wasn't sure what to think about it, but after hearing it front to back multiple time it's definitely the best thing they've done since Pinkerton. Feels good to hear something great from these guys gain.


EDIT: and out of all the bonus tracks for some reason I'm loving "King" the most. What a catchy fucking tune in an album full of catchy fucking tunes.
post #62 of 79
Yeah "King" is a real keeper. I just love this album and love the fact that no-one expected them to do anything this good.
post #63 of 79
Has anyone seen good reviews for this? The ones at AV Club and Pitchfork are baffling me. I don't really care what critics have to say, particularly music critics, but it does bring me down a bit that the band has delivered a quality album and it's getting such shitty reviews.
post #64 of 79
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BoA releases a lot of her songs in Korean and then in Japanese.
Ha ha that's the same thing.
post #65 of 79
Either the four bonus tracks are absolutely crucial to getting this album's appeal, or you guys are crazy. This album is most definitely un-good. "Pork and Beans" and "Troublemaker" get by on their riffs. "Dreamin'" and "The Greatest Man That Ever Lived" are way too slight and underwritten to justify their lengths. "Thought I Knew" sounds like the work of an amateur songwriter who's aiming directly at the middle and just barely hits - it's like Z-grade Graham Parker, but with no edge.

But these are all at least halfway listenable, which is more than I can say for most of the others. To spare everyone from too much negativity, I'll just focus my hate ray on the most egregious offender. "Heart Songs" may be the most terrible thing released by a major rock artist this year. It's lazy, "Summer Girls"-level songwriting, although, to their credit, LFO were at least awake enough to fact-check. New Kids on the Block did have a lot of hits, but it was Tiffany, not Debbie Gibson, who covered "I Think We're Alone Now" (as the AV Club review pointed out, but anyone born before 1984 should be able to catch). For a bunch of guys who are increasingly unable to refrain from "aren't-I-clever?" pop culture references, you'd think they'd have a handle on this sort of thing.

I listened to Maladroit a week or so ago, hoping to excite myself for the new album. It was a bad move, not because Maladroit is lousy (it isn't, actually), but because it makes The Red Album sound that much worse by comparison. If this is an improvement on Make Believe, I'm glad I never bothered to pick that one up.
post #66 of 79
Sorry, Dave, but I really love it. Don't hate me.
post #67 of 79
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Sorry, Dave, but I really love it. Don't hate me.
I don't hate you at all, Alan. I'm worried about you.
post #68 of 79
I know DaveB is Lord in all matters musical, but I dig the album. I like how "Greatest Man Who Ever Lived (Variations on a Shaker Hymn)" is really about those variations and that the length allows them to go through so many different styles and rock them all.

And I'm absolutely in love with the song "King" from the deluxe album.
post #69 of 79
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And I'm absolutely in love with the song "King" from the deluxe album.

Ditto. What a great song. Didn't even lose any of its magic when I heard it on a promo for "The Real World."

Maybe I've got shit taste in music, but I'm having a blast with this album. I've been meaning to spend my time this week with the new Opeth, but I've barely spun it because of The Red Album.
post #70 of 79
I like this album more than Dave (I'm the resident Weezer apologist after all), but I have to agree with a lot of his points. Some of these songs are brutal. "Heart Songs," yes, but I think "Cold Dark World" is even worse. I'm amazed by the love as well.
post #71 of 79
I know this isn't related to The Red Album but I don't see the point in starting a new thread.

I just heard "You Won't Get With Me Tonight" for the first time the other night.

Holy shit.

The b-sides and unreleased songs from this band in that particular era are phenomenal.

Someone on the albumsix board did a "2.5" album with the best ones. It's pretty excellent, the songs are all out there and the album's easy enough to make for anyone with iTunes but a couple of treats were slipped in and the whole thing's just really accomplished.

I'm not trying to pimp the thing out, just psyched that I effectively have two new Weezer albums to love.

Yeah, I still love Red Album. Even "Cold Dark World".

Continues to baffle me that the bonus tracks weren't considered good enough to make it on original tracklisting.
post #72 of 79
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Please don't suck. Please don't suck. Please don't suck.
Sorry buddy.
post #73 of 79
So the US tour kicks off in Boston tonight, anyone going to any shows?

Waiting patiently for UK dates to be announced but I don't think it's gonna happen, especially if they really are gonna be hitting the studio again so soon.
post #74 of 79
I'm going tomorrow. First time seeing them live, actually.
post #75 of 79
As much as I hated his posturing during live performances at the time; I'm convinced more day by day that Matt Sharp departing had something to do with the downward spiral of Weezer.
post #76 of 79
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As much as I hated his posturing during live performances at the time; I'm convinced more day by day that Matt Sharp departing had something to do with the downward spiral of Weezer.
I have no doubt that Matt Sharp leaving the band is the reason their music started going downhill. All I can say is listen to The Red Album (which was the best of their last 4 albums), and compare it to The Rentals' EP, The Last Little Life. The 4 songs on The Last Little Life blow away anything Weezer has done since Pinkerton (except for maybe "The Greatest Man That Ever Lived").

Even the boring solo CD Matt Sharp came out with a few years back was better than Weezer's catalog since Pinkerton. I guess Matt Sharp had a good reason to file a lawsuit against Weezer a while back.
post #77 of 79
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All I can say is listen to The Red Album (which was the best of their last 4 albums), and compare it to The Rentals' EP, The Last Little Life. The 4 songs on The Last Little Life blow away anything Weezer has done since Pinkerton (except for maybe "The Greatest Man That Ever Lived").
I hear you. I just think I've moved on, and it makes me sad. Is it me, is it them? Their music just seems so uninspired at this point.

I always thought, after The Blue Album, things were just going up. Pinkerton happened, even better (the show at the Whiskey for that album was fucking great for that being solidified in my head as a classic).

Then, some asshole had to light a cigar in the hot air balloon, and........whoosh!
post #78 of 79
Just got back.

*shrug*

It was sporadically energetic. As I said, I've never seen them live before, so can someone tell me if Rivers is always in the habit of handing off vocal duties for half of the songs? I know he doesn't sing lead on a good chunk of the Red Album, but even besides those songs Scott Shriner sang "Perfect Situation," Brian Bell sang "El Scorcho," and the fucking Blink-182/Angels&Airwaves singer shared the duties for "Undone". He also left the stage for "Automatic".

They sounded fine, but the non-Red songs seemed mostly perfunctory. They seemed to have an especially good time with "Troublemaker" and "Greatest Man Who Ever Lived". For the encore, the hootenanny players came out and did "Island In The Sun" and "Beverly Hills", which was cute, but much like the rest of the show, a little disjointed and weird. The setlist, from what I can remember:

My Name Is Jonas
Pink Triangle
King
Perfect Situation
Dope Nose
Dangerous
What's The Story Morning Glory
Suzanne
Dreamin'
Undone
Pork and Beans
Automatic
Hash Pipe
Troublemaker
El Scorcho
The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
Sliver (!) (do they usually cover this? This was a huge kick for me)
Island In the Sun
Beverly Hills
Buddy Holly
post #79 of 79
It's a shame the show as a whole didn't impress you, I was just looking for clips on youtube and was mighty impressed with this performance of Say It Ain't So.

As far as I know, that's the first time Sliver's been in their set. That's on youtube too, sounds like a great cover.

I'm not a fan of the 'other members sing the songs' either. I can understand the obvious ones from TRA but El Scorcho? Suzanne? Come on!

I'm fully resigned to the fact there won't be a Red Album UK Tour so I'll just devote myself to following the shows through others.

If Devotion was played, that'd be pretty sweet...
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