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post #1 of 29
4/15/08 at 11:48am
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post #2 of 29
4/15/08 at 12:48pm
What the fuck. First James Cameron wants to make Battle Angel Alita a 3d movie, and now this?

I love how Spielberg refers to this as a "story". When I think of Ghost In The Shell, I think of machine guns, robots bugging out, Philosophy Club debates, and backflipping.

So what, is Spielberg thinking "It's like Minority Report meets AI! It's a goldmine!". And it's a genre that has arrived? From what I remember, the cinematic life of the genre began and ended with Keanu Reeves in the 90s.

I'm all in favor of more scifi/cyberpunk stuff in theatres, but not in this form.
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post #3 of 29
4/15/08 at 1:18pm
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"Ghost in the Shell is one of my favorite stories," bellowed a nude and glistening Spielberg to the stunned Variety duo of Michael Fleming and Tatiana "Stubbs" Siegel. "It's a genre that has arrived, and we enthusiastically welcome it at Dreamworks."
Jeremy, you are awesome.

Anyway, it could be worse. He could have bought the rights to Naruto.
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post #4 of 29
4/15/08 at 2:08pm
If the cartoon is so bloody good why do we need a live-action remake?
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post #5 of 29
4/15/08 at 2:17pm
Quite liked Innocence myself (it had rather more ideas and less staid-faced action sequences than the first), but both films do rather suffer from self-indulgence.
Still, this could in theory work.
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post #6 of 29
4/15/08 at 3:02pm
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If the cartoon is so bloody good why do we need a live-action remake?
/whiny voice

It's not a cartoooon! It's animeeeee! You don't know what you're talking abouuut!

/whiny voice
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post #7 of 29
4/15/08 at 3:02pm
I hope this means cyborg boobs.
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post #8 of 29
4/15/08 at 3:08pm
In 3d!
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post #9 of 29
4/15/08 at 3:09pm
The sequel was terrible.
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post #10 of 29
4/15/08 at 3:15pm
I don't post enough for anyone to notice or care but it's pretty rare I read a story and think "oh fuck yes" (yes, in that voice).
Steven's been trying to mix it up a bit so I doubt he'd want to retread the A.I. style of shoehorned philosophy, as much as I liked that one. The literary approach in the movie versions is more Oshii's fault I think. The TV show and the comic are a bit better about exploring themes things through actions and that's the appeal of it for me. GITS is better used just as a framework for smaller science fiction stories about different aspects of life and I hope that's their approach because god knows we don't need a third retread of the puppeteer bit. So here's hoping for something more like minority report bookended by Ryan-style battles.

I mean friggin Fuchikoma's on the screen?

But then I remember it's Spielberg, so I probably have a better chance of winning the powerball and making my own shitty version than seeing this. At the most it'll probably be farmed out to michael bay or someone...
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post #11 of 29
4/15/08 at 7:23pm
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There just better be a basset hound in there somewhere.
As far as faithfully adapting anything directed by Mamoru Oshii goes, this is key.
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post #12 of 29
4/16/08 at 1:40am
Question. Will people be able to tell this apart from Battle Angel?
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post #13 of 29
4/16/08 at 1:50am
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"It's a genre that has arrived..."
Yeah... arrived, got drunk, made an ass of itself and stumbled off into the night.
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post #14 of 29
4/16/08 at 2:04am
Cyber-punk has "arrived"?

Wasn't Blade Runner in '82 and Neuromancer published shortly after that?

...and more to the point, weren't the Matrix films the first and only truely successful live action cyberpunk films?

I always thought Ghost looked beautiful, but it was such a clunky plot and wan't really paced all that well, that it was good and all, but no Akira - not by a longshot.

...and Spielberg will NEVER direct this.
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post #15 of 29
4/16/08 at 2:19am
I thought the Wachowski Bros* already remade Ghost In The Shell. zing!
 Actually, I can see this working if its a real American adaptation. I don't mind if the story sheds some of Oshii's more personal indulgences (and maybe Shirow's too while we're at it) in favor of what works for Spielberg. But the insanely well choreographed action and the big ideas should stay. Otherwise what's the point? Spielberg is poised to learn everything he can from Jackson and Zemekis and make something that approaches Pixar in terms of quality storytelling and emotion.

*(I would like 1 job at your Chicago office, please!)
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post #16 of 29
4/16/08 at 3:23am
Spielberg has to learn from Jackson and Zemeckis about storytelling and emotion?

Really??!!?!?
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post #17 of 29
4/16/08 at 10:14am
The Matrix already stole GITS' thunder (in concept and design). At least, the Wachowskis admit that GITS was their main inspiration for the movie. Still, the impact of a live-action version is pretty much gone.

That, and they'll never get the Major right.

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post #18 of 29
4/16/08 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Spielberg has to learn from Jackson and Zemeckis about storytelling and emotion?

Really??!!?!?
Just when it comes to CGI and digital thespians.
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post #19 of 29
4/16/08 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
Just when it comes to CGI and digital thespians.
Performance is performance. I don't think it's that much of stretch to go from the Jurassic Park films to any human CGI performance for Spielberg.
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post #20 of 29
4/16/08 at 5:51pm
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Performance is performance. I don't think it's that much of stretch to go from the Jurassic Park films to any human CGI performance for Spielberg.
Well, yes, but the process a director uses to coax a compelling performance out of a computer VS an actor are entirely different. That they require a different skillset is plainly obvious.


Even if George Lucas can't do either.
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post #21 of 29
4/16/08 at 6:22pm
Scarlett Johansson... yes.
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post #22 of 29
4/16/08 at 9:58pm
Should people really worry about the Matrix riffs? The matrix was a thin contemplation of the illusion of choice granted by technology as filtered through genre film making and indulgent design. There's still a lot of "genre" here but in a god-built world a GitS movie would inversely be an exploration of actual ever-expanding choice through technology with a Michael Mann like approach to (plausible) realism. In fact that's a good example: this should be the difference between something like "street kings" and "Miami Vice". And I don't mean the quality, but in approach.

One thing I don't think any of the incarnations has done, aside from a few mentions of war torn Mexico, is go to the American "empire". I almost want them to keep the Asian setting so that they can just adventure hop over here. Probably too political, but it'd be nice.
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post #23 of 29
4/17/08 at 9:33am
Arguments about the story being done already aside (I just hope they have more up their sleeve than copying the first film to the letter), Scarlett's way too young and girly to play the Major.

It's an easy choice, but Uma Thurman could pull this off in her sleep.

Also, this movie's worthless unless they get Ron Perlman to play Batou.
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post #24 of 29
4/17/08 at 9:45am
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Also, this movie's worthless unless they get Ron Perlman to play Batou.
Or Clancy Brown.
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post #25 of 29
4/17/08 at 9:53am
Clancy needs the live-action work more than Perlman. You win.
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post #26 of 29
4/18/08 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus View Post
Well, yes, but the process a director uses to coax a compelling performance out of a computer VS an actor are entirely different. That they require a different skillset is plainly obvious.
I don't understand...how is Spielberg not equipped to do either one?
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post #27 of 29
4/18/08 at 1:04am
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I don't understand...how is Spielberg not equipped to do either one?
I didn't say he was unequipped to make a live action film. He has never made an all CGI film. But he's good friends with people who basically have. Even Spielberg would probably admit to picking their brains, trading ideas to enhance his own craft.

[eta] Also, the raptors in Jurassic Park and Gollum (or Beowulf) do not share any level of importance to the narrative of their respective films. Also, aren't the Tintin films gona be all CG? Spielberg's working on those with Jackson, which means he's already collaborating with him.
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post #28 of 29
4/18/08 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by Nexus-7 View Post
Or Clancy Brown.
That's not a bad idea but I'm doubt Brown's a good enough actor to pull Batou in the sequel. If he were ten years older. Christian Bale would be perfect for the role.
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post #29 of 29
4/18/08 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by The Alexor View Post
That's not a bad idea but I'm doubt Brown's a good enough actor to pull Batou in the sequel. If he were ten years older. Christian Bale would be perfect for the role.
His work on both Superman and Spongebob both play against his established type. I'm willing to bet he's still got plenty of surprises left in him.
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