2008 NFL Season Thread - Page 3

The thing is, though, if Favre is dicking the Packers around, for whatever reason, then they should just cut their losses asap. I just can't accept the idea that a player should have to worry if their timing is inconveniencing a franchise. If the distraction you cause is more trouble than your on-field worth, then you reduce your value, until eventually teams won't touch you. That's what Barry Bonds is going through right now. But if they feel like taking a chance, then caveat emptor.

Well they can not just cut him, as he would go to division rival Vikings. No way they let that happen. It actually might be that he prefers to go to the Vikings over the Packers. Mainly because he fills that the Packers snubbed him. He is now officially a joke. If he won't go to a non divisional foe, then keep him and let him ride the bench and run the practice squad.

I'm curious on what the Chargers will do this year, good team that always seems to under performs..But then they always seem to be the thorn in my side when ever they play my Colts

According to ESPN...Miami Dolphin DE Jason Taylor was traded to the Washington Redskins for their 2nd rd pick in 09 and their 6th rd pick in 2010.

I credit them for getting that much. But it is the Redskins, after all ...

Which makes me wonder why Miami didn't hold out for that first rounder? I mean, if they were that desperate, you would think they would have paid...

This just in Jeremy Shockey traded to the Saints for a couple of draft picks.

Good move for the Giants, in my opinion to get a 2nd rounder out of them. I think Shockey's best years are behind him.

I think these trades were good moves for all the teams involved. The teams who got the picks did not need the players (Miami is going no where with or with out him, and the Giants have other options that will not cause more problems than they solve; while the teams that got the players can definitely use them to make the playoff push).

I don't really think Washington is helping themselves with the Taylor move. The guy doesn't have much left in the tank, in my opinion. The Redskins philosophy over the last 10 years of just going out and picking up some big names still hasn't translated to any playoff success. When will they ever learn?

The Skins really needed a pass rushing DE after Daniel's injury. They actually could have used him before, but after they really needed someone there. He has enough in the tank to be effective. He might not be defensive player of the year, but get him off that crap team and he will play better. When a team goes 1-15 its hard to judge an individual players performance, since all the players sucked (and players do not play in a vacuum).

So where do people think Favre will end up ? Tampa seems like the most likely spot right now. Mainly due to them being a playoff team, and Gruden loves to collect quarterbacks. There is no way he ends up with the Vikings, unless the league steps in somehow (after those phone records, I doubt he could go there now).

Favre should go to arena ball. Of course every pass would probably end up in the net.

What's wrong with the Packers? From all reports it seems they don't want him to play for the Packers or anyone else. What up with that? Or is the real reason Minnesota and that they will offer the most for him and they won't trade him there? Esp since the Vikings play in GB the first week.

For all Brett has done for the Packers they need to trade him to a team he wants to go to. I think Farve is toast and won't really help much so I'm not sure why the Packers are that worried.

Injuries mounting up already for the Jaguars and we're just three days into camp. Brad Meester (C) out, Jerry Porter -and- Reggie Williams (WR) done for the preseason. Not a good start.

And people are wondering why they didn't cut Matt Jones after his "alleged" ride on the white horse.

I think Dickson hits it - after THIS offseason piled on top of at least the 3 previous to that (remember, Aaron Rodgers was drafted 4 years ago due to Favre retirement concerns), I wouldn't be surprised if management was finally thrilled to be rid of the annual drama around the team's key offensive player. After 3 years of "I dunno..." and waiting around until darn near the draft to find out if he's coming back, this year he finally retires...then un-retires, but re-retires at the last minute, then un-retires after missing all the OTAs and very likely not keeping up on his workouts. THEN he starts airing dirty laundry in public - well, at first it was his agent, mommy, and mouthpiece, THEN it was Favre.

Packer management has handled this about as poorly as possible, but Favre's pain-in-the-ass diva behavior sure hasn't made it easy for them.

As far as not kowtowing to his trade demands, you certainly can't deny that Brett Favre has given a shit-ton to the Packer franchise - of course, that isn't exactly a one-way street. He HAS been paid upwards of one hundred million dollars and the organization (and maybe even moreso, its fans) has stood by him through drug addiction, family tragedy, etc. He hasn't had the slightest threat to his job security since '94 - good thing, since he was a whiny cunt when it came to Rodgers being drafted (Favre is ON RECORD as not being willing to mentor or help out young QBs). He has been kowtowed to by at least two GMs (Wolf and Sherman) and 3 coaches (Rhodes, Sherman, and McCarthy) (Favre has said he doesn't want to learn a new offense).

So the reason you don't just release him is because you SHOULD get what you can for ANY player that has value - that's just smart GMing. And you SHOULD play defense in preventing your rivals from getting stronger - when possible, which it rarely is. Chi and Min have reasonably solid all-around teams with major holes at QB - why would you make them stronger?

Another problem with trading Favre is that the info I'm hearing is that quite a few teams aren't interested in Favre - they aren't close enough to being good to justify renting him for one, maybe two years - Mia, Bal, KC, Oak, Atl, SF.

Other teams aren't interested because they don't want to screw up the development of THEIR young QBs - Cle, Buf, Den, Was, Hou, Tenn, Ariz .

And then there are the however-many teams that have a QB as good as/better than Favre - or at least one they're comfortable with -Indy, NE, Cinci, Pitt, SD, Dal, Phi, NO, StL, Sea.

Which leaves a thin market - NYJ, Chi, Min, Jax, NYG, Det, TB, Car. Favre has already said "no thanks" to the Jest and Bucs; NYG and Jax - and probably Car - are obviously comfortable with their current situation; Min, Det, and Chi are division rivals.

So, uh, no buyers.

The Pack made the mistake of the 20 million dollar bribe because it looks like they are trying to keep him out of the league which is fucking stupid. The Pack are going to have to bite the bullet and trade him to the Vikings like he wants. The bribe stunt really hurts them.

And Chavez-how the fuck can you say the Bears " have reasonably solid all-around team"? Are you trying to be nice? Bears have nobody on offense but Hester. They blow.

*And how about them Brewers-ouch.

Seriously, just a pathetic turn of events. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the Packers think they're doing. If Aaron Rogers is the guy, and you don't want this distraction, accept the fact that you're in a poor bargaining position and get what you can. If you think Brett Favre is the guy, start him.

I'm failing to see a third option here.

I'm not even going to argue that Pack mgmt isn't behaving like a bunch of retards. One fellow elsewhere pointed out that TT, Murph, McCarthy, etc all think/thought that they could make it go away....

...Favre ain't goin' away. Basically, GB mgmt opened up the front door to see a flaming paper bag with a #4 on it, and started stomping on it to put it out, as Favre chuckles behind a bush across the street.
Angelo has pretty clearly outsmarted himself on a few levels. But they still have a game-breaking KR and solid special teams, and a whole lotta talent on D. Tait is one of the better OTs; Kreutz has begun to slip but is still smart, tough, and annoying (one of the best at picking the pile clean); Garza is solid, and St Clair should be OK at G, so the OL will be better than last year. You could do worse than Clark/Olsen at TE. The problem is no proven RB (which is still a step up from the proven piece-of-shit Benson) and two who-knows QBs throwing to some unimpressive WRs. But Lovie is still HC and if you get Favre in there, suddenly things look a little bit brighter.

Yeah. I was going to say I feel ashamed but I had nothing to do with it. It's always nice to get on the national stage and completely shit your pants. It's fashionable to blame Yost, but in this case, when your team isn't hitting and giving up tons of runs, there isn't much the manage can do except keep himself from strangling players. Total team meltdown.

Our long national nightmare may soon be over....

...so, what's crazier - that the GB brass would offer Brett Favre $20 million NOT to play...

...or that Favre looks like he might take it?

I'd say it's equally pathetic.

What I want to know is how adamant Favre is about playing for an NFC north team. To me, that is the only way the evolution of this clusterfuck makes any sort of sense.

I must have missed the memo that stated Devin Hester was a good offensive player.

I think that was the point of the comment--when your best offensive player really makes his hay returning kicks and punts...things are not good in Mudville.

If you ever watched Hester in college, it's the same thing. He was a force on special teams, but he's a mediocre receiver, and a below average DB who relies too much on his speed to cover his mistakes. Unless he improves his skills on one side of the ball or the other, he'll become the next Allen Rossum.

Special Teams != Offense.

I'd go more along the lines of Mel Gray, but you're correct that Hester has virtually zero value on offense or defense.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns
Pack prez Murphy says team will welcome Favre back - NFL - Yahoo! Sports


Packers still waffling over Favre.

I would like to welcome back NFL news that doesn't concern Brett Favre.

Did ESPN retire SportsCenter's Favre ticker?

This time the Madden curse strikes us.

I love to bash the "evil 4 Letter Network" as much as anyone, but they're not alone in their over-saturation of all things Brett Favre. FOX Sports, Sporting News, SI, Yahoo! Sports, they're all guilty of beating this Favre thing like cheap Mexican Burro.

He's being as vague as he possibly can. By the weekend Farve will have signed somewhere else.

A trade to Tampa Bay probably makes the most sense. So I gotta ask, How do you Bucs fans feel about having Favre lead your team this year? And would this mean Jeff Garcia would then end up in Chi-Town?

Have you ever heard of special teams? A player with 20 career catches shouldn't be getting props for being a good receiver when, as of now, he hasn't proven anything at the position.

I doubt Allen is foolish enough to trade a non-conditional pick for Favre.

Some people just aren't able to let go of Favre. I was basically supportive of management through the whole thing, but now that the endgame has arrived and it involves a tremendous breach in the relationship between Favre and GB and the franchise's (arguably) greatest player being shipped out of town for probably less-than-fair value it's a little saddening.

Oh, Favre goes to the Jets.

It's interesting, the New York Jets greatly "improved" their team this offseason, even prior to adding Brett Favre, as they've all but jettisoned talent that didn't "fit" into their system for big money free agents and high draft picks. What the acquisition of Favre does for this team is effectively take the handcuffs off of the Jets offense, as Chad Pennington simply could not make the throws necessary for a quarterback who calls the Meadowlands home.

Whether or not Brett Favre is the next Boomer Esiason or Vinny Testaverde (people forget his 1998 with the Jets) is up for debate, as any time you add a quarterback who's well past his prime, even one as physically gifted as Favre, a precipitous decline is just around the corner (Favre's 2005-2006 should definitely throw up red flags). But what this move does accomplish, though, is justify the organization's sudden shift into win-now mode.

For the life of me I couldn't understand why the Jets were spending so much money this offseason, especially without satisfactorily addressing their quarterback situation.

Jets fans appear, um, rather sanguine about the acquisition.

As a GB fan, I have to say best of luck to NYJ and if the Packers don't win the SB I hope Favre and the Jets do.

Oh, the media here has been very anti-Favre throughout this whole debacle (it tends to be pro-management in general, regardless of the situation), so that's hardly surprising. I imagine, though, that things will suddenly shift Favre's way rather quickly, as the honeymoon will be in full swing... you know, so long as Favre doesn't decide to knock over any errant cameramen.

You're talking out of your ass. Field position helps the offense by giving them a shorter field, but in no way does it makes someone the most valuable offensive player on their team. If that's the case then, last season, Shane Lechler had the greatest offensive/defensive season in NFL history because his Net Punt AVG was the highest in NFL history.