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Maryland expands definition of Rape

post #1 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:17am
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This is all sorts of fucked up. I'm officially crossing Maryland off the places I ever want to live and now I need to find out the rest of these states that support this law.

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The state's highest court ruled yesterday that a man can be charged with rape if he ignores a woman's calls to stop - even if she had previously consented to sex.

With this expansion of the legal definition of rape, Maryland joins seven other states whose courts have determined that a woman can revoke her consent after intercourse begins
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The victim testified in Montgomery County court that she agreed to sex "as long as he stops when I tell him to." As he began, she told him to stop because he was hurting her, but he kept going for five or 10 seconds, she said.
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Wilson pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and was sentenced to 18 months in prison. Baby denied any wrongdoing but was convicted of first-degree rape and other crimes and sentenced to 15 years in prison, with all but five suspended.

Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, based in Long Island, N.Y., said the facts of Baby's case have been lost in the larger argument about a woman's right to say no.

"The courts got it wrong then, and they are getting it wrong now," said Feit, who has followed the Maryland case. "There is no way that anyone is ever going to convince me that a five-second delay is first-degree rape."
So, 5-10 seconds of delay and the guy's getting charged with first-degree rape and going to jail for 15 years! I mean, I'm all about no means no but how do you determine the delay! Did she have a stop watch? Was she going "One Miss... two miss.. three miss..." (too tired to type the full state).

Also, does this new expanded ruling exclude married couples?? This would be fantastic in terms of settling divorces. There is so much room for abuse with this, it isn't even funny.
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post #2 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:21am
Does this honestly happen to you enough Snaike that you'd go so far as to be "officially crossing Maryland off the places I ever want to live"?

...because if it does I'd argue it may not be your geographical location thats the problem mate...
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post #3 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:47am
They're just making it harder and harder for you, aren't they Snaieke?
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post #4 of 69
4/18/08 at 4:07am
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"We conclude that post-penetration withdrawal of consent negates initial consent for the purposes of sexual offense crimes and, when coupled with the other elements, may constitute the crime of rape," Judge Lynne A. Battaglia wrote in the majority opinion.
I haven't read the ruling but it seems a bit more elaborate than just saying, "no" and you have a 1-2 second buffer to "get out". Having said that, they owe it to the public to be very clear as to what this means, because it is a bit confusing.
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post #5 of 69
4/18/08 at 4:32am
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Man, it's shit like this, the increase in cases of STD's, stories of women giving men BJ's and then impregnating themselves with the sperm (OK, 1 story) that really make me dread reentering the whole mess of dating again.

Yeah, go have yourself a wife and have her give birth, then get back to me about not hearing the words "ow, stop that hurts". I heard that a few times after her doc gave us the "all clear" after she gave birth. Also, stopping is the key there, not just 'getting out' because a hasty exit could result in worse pain depending on what the "ow" is...
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post #6 of 69
4/18/08 at 4:42am
What happens if I deliver this to someone in Maryland?

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post #7 of 69
4/18/08 at 5:20am
Well under Maryland law you should be fine. I believe the maximum amount you can ship is 60 pounds of rape, so you're well under that.
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post #8 of 69
4/18/08 at 5:34am
I really don't know much about legal stuff but this seems awfully murky. I agree 100% that a woman has the right to withdraw her consent even during sex but when you start arguing about delays it gets too vague.

If you can excuse the geeky metaphor, I'd hate to be the dungeon master in a game with such ill-defined rules.
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post #9 of 69
4/18/08 at 9:56am
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Baby denied any wrongdoing but was convicted of first-degree rape and other crimes and sentenced to 15 years in prison, with all but five suspended.
The baby was obviously lying. But look at the bright side. He'll only be, like, 7
when he is parolled. Of course, he will probably be the only registered sex offender on his little league team. Not counting the coach.
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post #10 of 69
4/18/08 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Man, it's shit like this, the increase in cases of STD's, stories of women giving men BJ's and then impregnating themselves with the sperm (OK, 1 story) that really make me dread reentering the whole mess of dating again.
I think many of us dread you reentering the whole mess of dating again, but I'm trying not to think about it.
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post #11 of 69
4/18/08 at 11:37am
Snaike, Snopes.com is not your friend.
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post #12 of 69
4/18/08 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Man, it's shit like this, the increase in cases of STD's, stories of women giving men BJ's and then impregnating themselves with the sperm (OK, 1 story) that really make me dread reentering the whole mess of dating again.
I suggest you don't date anymore and become a Eunuch.
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post #13 of 69
4/18/08 at 12:59pm
Raiepe -

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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Yeah, go have yourself a wife and have her give birth, then get back to me about not hearing the words "ow, stop that hurts".
What in the fuck does childbirth have to do with rape?

As soon as a woman says "Stop", I check my surroundings and stop, whether I'm walking, talking, or fucking. It's not so much paranoia as it is respect for another human being, and I'm having trouble finding what I should object to within this article.
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post #14 of 69
4/18/08 at 1:35pm
Wait, so in 42 other states once she let's you in, you can kick off your boots, unpack your stuff and stay as long as you like even if she wants you to quit so she can go watch Oprah or breathe? THAT'S the messed up part...

Sorrey Snaieke. Rapin' ain't easy.
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post #15 of 69
4/18/08 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
Raiepe -



What in the fuck does childbirth have to do with rape?

As soon as a woman says "Stop", I check my surroundings and stop, whether I'm walking, talking, or fucking. It's not so much paranoia as it is respect for another human being, and I'm having trouble finding what I should object to within this article.
Read the article, the woman said "No. Stop, you're hurting me" and he took 5-10 seconds to 'get out'. The article doesn't say what he's doing in that 5-10 seconds but for all we know he could have just been "stopped" (doubtful, since he was in high school however). The point being, this case may enable a lot of false rape claims to be filed. The law needs to be a lot clearer, as laws are supposed to protect the innocent. If people use this law with illegitimate claims, because it is not an air tight definition, the real victims of rape will not benefit from these changes.

Look at this a little deeper, say she said stop and you did but she felt you took too long and in your mind you didn't, you exited within a SECOND. Without video evidence it is her word against yours. What other legal evidence are they considering, are they looking at bruising or tearing? Because, if she says "Ow, stop it hurts" that could be the reason it hurts. Do you want to trust the legal system to prove your innocence? Do you think you'll get your reputation back if you are proven innocent?

You stop and look around maybe asking "What's wrong? Are you OK?" presumably took longer than 5 seconds, you're guilty of rape.
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post #16 of 69
4/18/08 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
So, 5-10 seconds of delay and the guy's getting charged with first-degree rape and going to jail for 15 years!
10 - 15 seconds is a long time in that situation, seriously.
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post #17 of 69
4/18/08 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Man, it's shit like this... that really make me dread reentering the whole mess of dating again.
That enormous "whooshing" sound we just heard was the massive sigh of relief of every single woman on planet Earth.
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post #18 of 69
4/18/08 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
10 - 15 seconds is a long time in that situation, seriously.
Are you saying you are a one two buckle my shoe guy?
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post #19 of 69
4/18/08 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
10 - 15 seconds is a long time in that situation, seriously.
But the article doesn't say 10-15, it says 5-10.

This is silly though, I don't think the court came out with a rule that says ... you must have your pants back on in "x seconds/minutes". It says very clearly in the article that other factors were taken into consideration to rule this a rape.

The story also deals with a kind of non-usual situation of one guy waiting "for his turn" to have sex with this girl, etal. So again, there is probably more to it.

I might regret this but to snaikes (sp??) defense, this type of ruling does need a bit of clarification and some common sense applied to it.
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post #20 of 69
4/18/08 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I might regret this but to snaikes (sp??) defense, this type of ruling does need a bit of clarification and some common sense applied to it.
I don't think any of us are against the clarification and common sense bit, it's more the idea that apparently Snaieke is so very worried about being "falsely" accused of rape that he's "officially crossing Maryland off the places I ever want to live".

In other words, his reaction to this law in particular says more about him than I think he intended.
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post #21 of 69
4/18/08 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
But the article doesn't say 10-15, it says 5-10.

This is silly though, I don't think the court came out with a rule that says ... you must have your pants back on in "x seconds/minutes". It says very clearly in the article that other factors were taken into consideration to rule this a rape.

The story also deals with a kind of non-usual situation of one guy waiting "for his turn" to have sex with this girl, etal. So again, there is probably more to it.

I might regret this but to snaikes (sp??) defense, this type of ruling does need a bit of clarification and some common sense applied to it.
Clarification's always good, but like you said, this sounds like a way bigger deal than the amount of time it took for the guy to pull out. For those of you who didn't bother clicking the link:

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The case stems from a December 2003 incident in which he and a friend, both high school students, had sex with a community college student in an isolated school parking lot.

Baby, then 16, and Michael Wilson, 15, groped the woman and made sexual advances to her, according to police. First, Wilson had sex with the woman while Baby was outside the car. Then, police said, Baby told her it was his turn.

"[So] are you going to let me hit it?" he said, according to police. "I don't want to rape you."

The victim testified in Montgomery County court that she agreed to sex "as long as he stops when I tell him to." As he began, she told him to stop because he was hurting her, but he kept going for five or 10 seconds, she said.
There are two guys involved and an allusion to rape was even tossed out. I'm thinking that in most consensual scenarios the possibility that you might be accused of rape wouldn't even come to mind.
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post #22 of 69
4/18/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
That enormous "whooshing" sound we just heard was the massive sigh of relief of every single woman on planet Earth.

Funny, I thought that noise was your joke falling flat.
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post #23 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
Raiepe -



What in the fuck does childbirth have to do with rape?

As soon as a woman says "Stop", I check my surroundings and stop, whether I'm walking, talking, or fucking. It's not so much paranoia as it is respect for another human being, and I'm having trouble finding what I should object to within this article.
This guy right here, he's a good guy.
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post #24 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:11pm

Warning: If Rape Jokes Or Mixed Sports Metaphors Bother You, Go No Further

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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Read the article, the woman said "No. Stop, you're hurting me" and he took 5-10 seconds to 'get out'. The article doesn't say what he's doing in that 5-10 seconds but for all we know he could have just been "stopped" (doubtful, since he was in high school however). The point being, this case may enable a lot of false rape claims to be filed. The law needs to be a lot clearer, as laws are supposed to protect the innocent. If people use this law with illegitimate claims, because it is not an air tight definition, the real victims of rape will not benefit from these changes.

Look at this a little deeper, say she said stop and you did but she felt you took too long and in your mind you didn't, you exited within a SECOND. Without video evidence it is her word against yours. What other legal evidence are they considering, are they looking at bruising or tearing? Because, if she says "Ow, stop it hurts" that could be the reason it hurts. Do you want to trust the legal system to prove your innocence? Do you think you'll get your reputation back if you are proven innocent?
These are issues with rape and sex offense laws generally. There's always going to be room for fraud, perjury and character assassination as long as there are rape laws.

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You stop and look around maybe asking "What's wrong? Are you OK?" presumably took longer than 5 seconds, you're guilty of rape.
Withdrawing consent is a little more complicated than just saying "stop". It has to be very clear, such that any person in your situation (that is, nut-deep in some random pussy*) would realize that yes, she seriously wants you to stop. The clock probably isn't going to start running until after you've stopped and "seriously?" and she's said "yes" again. Or if there are other factors, like, say, you started out by saying you didn't want to rape her, and she said "just stop when I tell you." Once it's clear that she's serious, yeah, 10 seconds is kind of a long time.

My solution to all this mess? I try to keep my technique sharp enough such that once I'm actually in the red zone, I don't get chased all the way back for a safety. How do you stay on top of your game? Simple jerking off isn't enough. Oh no, if you want to be the best you need to invest the time and money to really hone your skills; at least 6 hours a week at the raping range or the thrusting cages. You don't foul out of the big game if you have solid fundamentals.

*Thanks, Bunk
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post #25 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:17pm
What if you're in the middle of a threesome? If one girl says no after first consenting must I also stop making sweet fudge with the other? Please let me know soon for I have a date tonight with 2 beautiful women, one of whom seems like the type who would say no in the middle of a threesome.
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post #26 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:21pm
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My solution to all this mess? I try to keep my technique sharp enough such that once I'm actually in the red zone, I don't get chased all the way back for a safety. How do you stay on top of your game? Simple jerking off isn't enough. Oh no, if you want to be the best you need to invest the time and money to really hone your skills; at least 6 hours a week at the raping range or the thrusting cages. You don't foul out of the big game if you have solid fundamentals.

*Thanks, Bunk
Getting ready for the Rapelympics?

I would so REP you whether you consented to it or not.
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post #27 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
What if you're in the middle of a threesome? If one girl says no after first consenting must I also stop making sweet fudge with the other? Please let me know soon for I have a date tonight with 2 beautiful women, one of whom seems like the type who would say no in the middle of a threesome.
As long you're not parking the Beef Bus in Tuna Town just south of the Mason-Dixon, you should be fine. But if you are in Maryland, find an exit strategy.
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post #28 of 69
4/18/08 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello View Post
Well under Maryland law you should be fine. I believe the maximum amount you can ship is 60 pounds of rape, so you're well under that.
60 Pounds of Rape would be a kickass name for a Russian metal band.
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post #29 of 69
4/19/08 at 5:40am
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Originally Posted by billylove View Post
Are you saying you are a one two buckle my shoe guy?
Ha! No, but seriously, if you're a woman having sex and you want the guy to stop, and you verbally express to him "hey, stop"... well, 10 seconds can become eternity.

Count, one Mississippi... two Mississippi... three Mississippi... four Mississippi... five Mississippi... six Mississippi...

You're on five or six and the guy's still thrusting!

Now, assuming it's not a lazy sloth fuck, I can imagine how 5-10 seconds can become desperate for a woman in that situation.
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post #30 of 69
4/19/08 at 6:07am
Actually 10 seconds seems understandable to me. I mean they were FUCKING !!! I am sure it went something along the lines of " did you say stop? like for real stop? Am I on your hair ? Oh we are done ... Okay." I think the point Snieke ( or however the fuck its spelled ) was trying to make was that THE GUY STOPPED. It just seems harsh to sentence a guy on they premise of " Well I wanted to fuck so we fucked, but then he raped me because while we were fucking I told him to stop and then he did." This law is bullshit.
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post #31 of 69
4/19/08 at 9:25am
This thread explains so much about Snaieke.

My viewpoint of right-wingers... still unchallenged. "I think we should remain in Iraq for a hundred years! I support Romney! And a chick wanting me to pull out when she says stop? What's that about?"
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post #32 of 69
4/19/08 at 12:11pm
Threads like this make me wish the rep system was still around.
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post #33 of 69
4/19/08 at 12:20pm
"Ohh."
"Mmm, yeah."
"Wait... Ow. Hold on. Ow!"
"What? What's wrong? Are you okay?"
"No. That hurts, hold on. Slower."
"Like that?"
"Move left."
"How's that?"
"Okay, better."
"Yeah, oh yeah."

Who the fuck just declares STOP? Such indecision with women these days!
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post #34 of 69
4/19/08 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
This thread explains so much about Snaieke.

My viewpoint of right-wingers... still unchallenged. "I think we should remain in Iraq for a hundred years! I support Romney! And a chick wanting me to pull out when she says stop? What's that about?"
Another Cerny sig.
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post #35 of 69
4/19/08 at 1:14pm
Worst Poster still around? I think so.
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post #36 of 69
4/19/08 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Yeah, go have yourself a wife and have her give birth, then get back to me about not hearing the words "ow, stop that hurts". I heard that a few times after her doc gave us the "all clear" after she gave birth. Also, stopping is the key there, not just 'getting out' because a hasty exit could result in worse pain depending on what the "ow" is...
This paragraph right here scared me so fucking much. Welcome to ignore you sick fuck!
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post #37 of 69
4/19/08 at 11:04pm
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This paragraph right here scared me so fucking much. Welcome to ignore you sick fuck!
Yup. In all honesty, he sounds like the worst lover in the world. I pity those who said "yes" to him the first time. .
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post #38 of 69
4/20/08 at 4:06pm
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This paragraph right here scared me so fucking much. Welcome to ignore you sick fuck!
I don't know you from Adam, are you a youngin? Do you have any kids? Perhaps in my attempt to be less vulgar in the details, combined with your ignorance on the subject, the wrong message can be taken from my paragraph.

Here' I'll help you out -- blacked out for vulgarity.

I apologize for blowing your mind that sometimes after a woman gives birth, their vagina has been shredded and they usually need stitches. It's ok, once their OB\GYN (the doc that delivered your child) has taken out the stitches (giving her and you the all clear for sex), she's a little sore and there is a chance that the vaginal tissue that was ripped from child birth may rip again resulting in a trip to the emergency room. If you just pull out within a second, depending on the position or the angle or the size of your schlong, you could rip her even further., see above about emergency room. Depending on the arrival of the ambulance and the hospital you go to, she could bleed out or get an infection. Worse case scenario, death.

Feel free to contact an OB\GYN for any follow up conversations on the subject.
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post #39 of 69
4/20/08 at 4:19pm
Can we please get rid of this guy already? Please?
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post #40 of 69
4/20/08 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
I don't know you from Adam, are you a youngin? Do you have any kids? Perhaps in my attempt to be less vulgar in the details, combined with your ignorance on the subject, the wrong message can be taken from my paragraph.

Here' I'll help you out -- blacked out for vulgarity.

I apologize for blowing your mind that sometimes after a woman gives birth, their vagina has been shredded and they usually need stitches. It's ok, once their OB\GYN (the doc that delivered your child) has taken out the stitches (giving her and you the all clear for sex), she's a little sore and there is a chance that the vaginal tissue that was ripped from child birth may rip again resulting in a trip to the emergency room. If you just pull out within a second, depending on the position or the angle or the size of your schlong, you could rip her even further., see above about emergency room. Depending on the arrival of the ambulance and the hospital you go to, she could bleed out or get an infection. Worse case scenario, death.

Feel free to contact an OB\GYN for any follow up conversations on the subject.
Now, how is that even remotely comparable to the circumstances of the rape posted above? Maybe you need to read the article again:

"We conclude that post-penetration withdrawal of consent negates initial consent for the purposes of sexual offense crimes and, when coupled with the other elements, may constitute the crime of rape," Judge Lynne A. Battaglia wrote in the majority opinion.
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post #41 of 69
4/20/08 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
I don't know you from Adam, are you a youngin? Do you have any kids? Perhaps in my attempt to be less vulgar in the details, combined with your ignorance on the subject, the wrong message can be taken from my paragraph.

Here' I'll help you out -- blacked out for vulgarity.
His wife had a child about two weeks ago, you condescending jackass.

And, yeah, what Rath said.
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post #42 of 69
4/20/08 at 5:03pm
I can't believe we're all so willing to ignore the threat of death-by-vaginal-bleeding-from-intercourse-after-giving-birth. It's America's true "silent killer".
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post #43 of 69
4/20/08 at 5:12pm
Is someone really bitching about this law? I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about it unless you're RAPING someone. Unless your wife has a habit of pressing charges in the situation you described, I think you'll be ok. But, feel free to stay the fuck out of my state you nutjob.
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post #44 of 69
4/20/08 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by captain_oats View Post
I pity those who said "yes" to him the first time. .
Oats, I want to agree with you, but you're overlooking one simple fact.



...No one's ever had the chance to say "yes" to him.
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post #45 of 69
4/20/08 at 6:37pm
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I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about it unless you're RAPING someone.
adds to reputation
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post #46 of 69
4/21/08 at 2:18am
while I am not trying to defend snaikes opinion for fear of being labeled a rapist by you all, I agree with his point that some of these laws are making it easier to charge innocent people with rape. And believe me it happens all the time. Having been falsely charged myself I know all too well how quickly you can be judged and found guilty before you are given a trial or even arrested for that matter. Now feel free to bash me but please be kind.
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post #47 of 69
4/21/08 at 2:35am
A lot of date rapists don't believe that they've raped anyone either. Without any details provided, there's no way we can possibly take your story as read, and have any sympathy with it. I'm not saying that you did rape somebody, but how the hell would I know? I don't know you. You can't assume that you can tell that story, and we'll all just assume that you didn't deserve it.

And Snaieke, please cross my state off your list as well.
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post #48 of 69
4/21/08 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke The Magic Penis
I apologize for blowing your mind that sometimes after a woman gives birth, their vagina has been shredded and they usually need stitches. It's ok, once their OB\GYN (the doc that delivered your child) has taken out the stitches (giving her and you the all clear for sex), she's a little sore and there is a chance that the vaginal tissue that was ripped from child birth may rip again resulting in a trip to the emergency room. If you just pull out within a second, depending on the position or the angle or the size of your schlong, you could rip her even further., see above about emergency room. Depending on the arrival of the ambulance and the hospital you go to, she could bleed out or get an infection. Worse case scenario, death.
Ladies, how can you resist?
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post #49 of 69
4/21/08 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
A lot of date rapists don't believe that they've raped anyone either. Without any details provided, there's no way we can possibly take your story as read, and have any sympathy with it. I'm not saying that you did rape somebody, but how the hell would I know? I don't know you. You can't assume that you can tell that story, and we'll all just assume that you didn't deserve it.

And Snaieke, please cross my state off your list as well.
Okay so heres the story, I had a girlfriend and I had started talking to another girl and she had a boyfriend yadda yadda. Well we had sex on 2 occasions and I basically came clean with my girlfriend and admitted that I had cheated. Well word got back to this girls boyfriend and when he questioned her about it she told him that I had forced myself on her at a party while she was drunk. She said this obviously because she was afraid he would break up with her. This lead to a shitstorm for me as I had threatning phone calls daily, her whole family was looking to beat me up and pretty much everyone in my small home town was talking shit about me. Her family then convinced her to take legal action. She had called the cops and talked to them 2 times and only right before I was to be arrested and formally charged did she come clean and admit that she was lying. Even after all that, years later that I still get people that " have heard " that I am a rapist. I seriously don't think I would have stood a chance in court in my home town. I agree that rapists are the scum of the earth and should be dealt with accordingly but laws that make it easier to imprison innocent people defeats the entire purpose. Well thats my opinion anyways.
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post #50 of 69
4/21/08 at 3:10am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke The Magic Penis:
I apologize for blowing your mind that sometimes after a woman gives birth, their vagina has been shredded and they usually need stitches. It's ok, once their OB\GYN (the doc that delivered your child) has taken out the stitches (giving her and you the all clear for sex), she's a little sore and there is a chance that the vaginal tissue that was ripped from child birth may rip again resulting in a trip to the emergency room. If you just pull out within a second, depending on the position or the angle or the size of your schlong, you could rip her even further., see above about emergency room. Depending on the arrival of the ambulance and the hospital you go to, she could bleed out or get an infection. Worse case scenario, death.
I'm not a lady, but I'll venture to say that this guy is full of shit. In many cases. It is true that a girl can tear, or the doctor may even cut her, but unless this stupid fuck is fucking her two days later, once it heals, it heals. As to the bleeding out, that happens if the uterus ruptures, not a torn pussy.

I know about that because my wife has had C-sections that they (doctors) recommend not to try a natural birth after that because the pressure of pushing out that kid could tear the uterus and the mother can then bleed out very quickly. That is a major danger that many doctors and hospitals don't want to take a chance with.

This guy "pulling out wrong" is going to do no such damage. He's a dumbshit.
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