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post #51 of 99
4/24/08 at 4:47pm
Based on my limited and highly biased experiences, I wish people would feel the same way about drinking alcohol as they do about smoking in this thread. In terms of the negative effects of either vice, it's much easier to see that of alcohol's.

I do neither. To me, both of them are a waste of money and health that can result in really pathetic looking people (not saying that any of you are... YET!). But I do understand that people use both of these because it feels good. When the body wants something, you'll figure out someway to rationalize it.

But then here's the kicker. I had an uncle pass away several years ago. I didn't see him much, but from what I knew he was a really upstanding man and I respected him. Kept himself healthy and everything. Still passed away from cancer.
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post #52 of 99
4/24/08 at 4:49pm
I can see this being an issue of conern. As you know death is the number one killer in America.
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post #53 of 99
4/24/08 at 5:04pm
Chat exchange about this thread:

[Brendan] (Smoke breaks) still exist?
[C.Swicegood] they do here
[Brendan] seriously?
[Brendan] thats fucked up
[C.Swicegood] tell me bout it
[Brendan] so they get smoke breaks ON TOP of their normal breaks?
[C.Swicegood] yep
[Brendan] thats fucking bullshit
[C.Swicegood] I should tell them I need masturbation breaks, otherwise I can't keep my mind on my work and I need something to do with my hands.
[Brendan] and be serious about it. Write up a memo with statistics on how it relieves stress and calms your nerves. Then go outside beside the smokers and just start jacking off into the wind, but don't say anything to them. Just walk out, pull your pants around your ankles, bust a nut, "See ya inside!" and walk away.

[Captain Zahn] Heh
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post #54 of 99
4/24/08 at 5:09pm
I love it. I really need to hang out in chat more often.
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post #55 of 99
4/24/08 at 6:00pm
People actually get upset over others taking smoke breaks? That's cute. You people need a little more guile or something. Take breaks with the smokers. Spite breaks, that sort of thing. Turn it to your advantage. Same time off, none of the cancer!

And yeah, it's an unpleasant habit, especially for anyone who's allergic to cigarettes. Cigars, snuff, leaf, they don't give me any trouble. Cigarettes? Heavy exposure over a couple of hours gives me a fever of about 104. It's bad, and happens more often than one might think.
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post #56 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by AlmightyShmun View Post
People actually get upset over others taking smoke breaks? That's cute. You people need a little more guile or something. Take breaks with the smokers. Spite breaks, that sort of thing. Turn it to your advantage. Same time off, none of the cancer!
If you don't smoke you're not allowed a "smoke break". You can't just go on a random break. You get your breaks. Smokers get extra breaks which could end up being anywhere from 30 - 40 minutes (through out the day) ON TOP of the breaks they already get. So if they're working a full day they should (might be different in some areas) have a total of a one hour break (two fifteen's and a half hour). So they're getting a 90 minute break while the non-smokers get 60 minutes. That doesn't seem ridiculous to you? They're getting paid for their smoke breaks too.

What I'm saying is is that smoke breaks should not be allowed whatsoever. Fuck you if you smoke.
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post #57 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
Chat exchange about this thread:

[Brendan] (Smoke breaks) still exist?
[C.Swicegood] they do here
[Brendan] seriously?
[Brendan] thats fucked up
[C.Swicegood] tell me bout it
[Brendan] so they get smoke breaks ON TOP of their normal breaks?
[C.Swicegood] yep
[Brendan] thats fucking bullshit
[C.Swicegood] I should tell them I need masturbation breaks, otherwise I can't keep my mind on my work and I need something to do with my hands.
[Brendan] and be serious about it. Write up a memo with statistics on how it relieves stress and calms your nerves. Then go outside beside the smokers and just start jacking off into the wind, but don't say anything to them. Just walk out, pull your pants around your ankles, bust a nut, "See ya inside!" and walk away.

[Captain Zahn] Heh
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zn6Z9djh8eA
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post #58 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:15pm
thecallahan seemed to have the right way to go about it. Make your point visually. Smoke breaks!? Take nap breaks. And when that won't stand, everyone will lose that extra break time. Done and done.
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post #59 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by Timo View Post
It's Brian from SPACED!!!!
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post #60 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
If you don't smoke you're not allowed a "smoke break". You can't just go on a random break. You get your breaks. Smokers get extra breaks which could end up being anywhere from 30 - 40 minutes (through out the day) ON TOP of the breaks they already get. So if they're working a full day they should (might be different in some areas) have a total of a one hour break (two fifteen's and a half hour). So they're getting a 90 minute break while the non-smokers get 60 minutes. That doesn't seem ridiculous to you? They're getting paid for their smoke breaks too.
I think you missed the point. What I'm saying is, take one anyway. Go out with the smokers and hang around the corner or something. I've been doing it since I got my first job, and it's never been an issue. Not once.

I just don't get the anger towards smokers. It's odd to me. Why not the same level of righteous indignation towards people who drink soda, or eat candy bars? They've got notable, detrimental effects on your health, and diabetes tends to become an inconvenience much faster than most smoking-related diseases.

Note: This isn't to say I condone or endorse smoking. Yeah, it's unpleasant. No argument there.
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post #61 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by AlmightyShmun View Post
I just don't get the anger towards smokers. It's odd to me. Why not the same level of righteous indignation towards people who drink soda, or eat candy bars? They've got notable, detrimental effects on your health, and diabetes tends to become an inconvenience much faster than most smoking-related diseases.
If being near people drinking soda made you fat, or those people were routinely smearing their chocolatey fingers all over my clothes, I'd be annoyed with them too.
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post #62 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:49pm
Schwartz graciously beat me to that one.
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post #63 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by AlmightyShmun View Post
I think you missed the point. What I'm saying is, take one anyway. Go out with the smokers and hang around the corner or something. I've been doing it since I got my first job, and it's never been an issue. Not once.
I see what you're saying. But there are employers out there who would tell the non-smoker to get back to work and let the smokers keep taking their breaks. In the end it can have an affect on productivity.

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I just don't get the anger towards smokers. It's odd to me. Why not the same level of righteous indignation towards people who drink soda, or eat candy bars? They've got notable, detrimental effects on your health, and diabetes tends to become an inconvenience much faster than most smoking-related diseases.
I do have a problem with how some people eat. But a fat person scarfing down McDonalds and chocolate bars beside me isn't going to affect my health. Unless the fat person gets up and their legs buckle under their own weight they topple over on me. But if someone is smoking a cigarette beside me that has serious affects on my health. So there is a difference. And there is an "righteous indignation" towards obesity but it's just not as big as smoking. So many people are affected by cancer and other illnesses related to smoking that it overshadows obesity. But I'd be all for a "junk food" tax which has been talked about before by politicians.

EDIT: Schwartz beat me as well.
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post #64 of 99
4/24/08 at 7:58pm
I like smoking. It makes me look cool. It reduces stress. I'm not embarrassed by it.

That said, I don't take smoke breaks when I should be working. I smoke before I come to work and then again when I leave.
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post #65 of 99
4/24/08 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
I see what you're saying. But there are employers out there who would tell the non-smoker to get back to work and let the smokers keep taking their breaks. In the end it can have an affect on productivity.
Maybe in this situation the fault lies with the managment who tolerate the extra breaks and not the smoker. I have never worked a job where you are allowed additional break time other than company sanctioned breaks regardless of what you are using the time for.
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post #66 of 99
4/24/08 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt View Post
Maybe in this situation the fault lies with the managment who tolerate the extra breaks and not the smoker. I have never worked a job where you are allowed additional break time other than company sanctioned breaks regardless of what you are using the time for.
Have you ever worked in the service industry?
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post #67 of 99
4/24/08 at 10:35pm
And you've heard of "Smoker's Rights", right?
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post #68 of 99
4/24/08 at 11:25pm
I'm with Brendan. Fuck smokers and their free ride to extra breaks, and the fraternity of smoking bosses who tolerate it.

Also, the original poster seems to be into smoking for the sheer pretentiousness of it. Hopefully he's under 20 years old, or French.
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post #69 of 99
4/24/08 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade View Post
Also, the original poster seems to be into smoking for the sheer pretentiousness of it. Hopefully he's under 20 years old, or French.
I'm in an office of French people. Even they can't stand the shit, and have just added a couple extra glasses of wine to lunch instead. When they announced the smoking laws last year I believe in Paris every single one of them was thrilled.
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post #70 of 99
4/24/08 at 11:57pm
Damn backfiring stereotypes!
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post #71 of 99
4/25/08 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton View Post
Have you ever worked in the service industry?

Yeah. I started washing dishes at 14 and spent the 13 subsequent years in kitchens working my way up to lead line cook/expiditer. If the smokers were lucky enough to get 5 spare minutes to have a smoke they did. But we didn't even get regularly scheduled breaks let alone allowing the smokers extra time to smoke at their leisure. Smokers rights? We don't have that in Washington state. I am not defending smoking, I just think bosses shouldn't tolerate extra breaks and that it isn't actually the smokers fault that they do.
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post #72 of 99
4/25/08 at 2:16am
Mmk, well our experiences are different...

From what I've seen, smokers in this area generally tend to crutch on smoking as a way to escape the stress of high-volume and/or annoying customers. I get "Back in 2 minutes!" thrown at me in the early morning hours from our in-house restaurant's opening servers at least twice an hour, at which point I have to apologize to any guest wanting to eat fucking breakfast that has to wait on the damn server to get back to...ya know...serve them.
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post #73 of 99
4/25/08 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton View Post
Mmk, well our experiences are different...

From what I've seen, smokers in this area generally tend to crutch on smoking as a way to escape the stress of high-volume and/or annoying customers. I get "Back in 2 minutes!" thrown at me in the early morning hours from our in-house restaurant's opening servers at least twice an hour, at which point I have to apologize to any guest wanting to eat fucking breakfast that has to wait on the damn server to get back to...ya know...serve them.
Are you in a position to not allow that guff? If so, why do you?

When I cooked we were on that line at 3 P.M. busting our ass to complete orders while putting together out prep for the dinner service. Seating began at 5 and we turn the dining room multiple times a night. If, and only if, there was a lull in service we were allowed to take what little breather we could muster. Smokers smoked. Others did what ever they did, but having a lull lie that was uncommon.
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post #74 of 99
4/25/08 at 3:49am
Also, this is a hotel's in-house restaurant...it's a bit more relaxed as far as flow.

...and, to be fair, I'm in the accounting department. I just happen to double on the desk during the morning hours before the 7 AM clerk arrives. So no...I really can't do anything BUT allow that "guff" from the servers. They don't have to listen to me.
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post #75 of 99
4/25/08 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade View Post
Also, the original poster seems to be into smoking for the sheer pretentiousness of it. Hopefully he's under 20 years old, or French.
I'd suspect that's the case. He's clearly desperate for people to back him up that smoking's cool, and that by proxy, he's cool.
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade View Post
Damn backfiring stereotypes!
(*Gently*) Hey... you tried.
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post #76 of 99
4/25/08 at 2:30pm
Thread Starter 
Fact is, there are rude people who smoke, and those who aren't. The same goes with individuals concerning other behaviours. If you can't stand seeing someone across the street lighting up, well, maybe your "roving death squads" will reach them before the tar; but this anger towards how another treats their own health is what mystifies me. We seem to live in a damn nanny state.

LisaNY: Since when is it a problem to try and 'be cool'? Oh, you got me! Empires have been built and razed on 'coolness'. I don't even think smoking is the greatest thing ever, but the misplaced rage in this thread is making me cling to my cigarettes even more.
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post #77 of 99
4/25/08 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by dreary louse View Post
but this anger towards how another treats their own health is what mystifies me. We seem to live in a damn nanny state.
I don't give a flying fuck about your health. Shoot heroin while you read Camus for all I care. But when your "cool habit" can jeapordize MY health or the health of my family, you can fuck right off.
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post #78 of 99
4/25/08 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by dreary louse View Post
Fact is, there are rude people who smoke, and those who aren't.... I don't even think smoking is the greatest thing ever, but the misplaced rage in this thread is making me cling to my cigarettes even more.
So you've made your point. You're a rude smoker. You've got 'em. Smoke 'em.

And don't keep searching for responses you're not getting in a thread that starts off asking for smokers to discuss how tough it is to stop despite the health issues. Non-smokers (and plenty of smokers) see the health issues and hate the habit because of it. You obviously don't. You smoke in spite of the after effects.
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post #79 of 99
4/25/08 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
I don't give a flying fuck about your health. Shoot heroin while you read Camus for all I care. But when your "cool habit" can jeapordize MY health or the health of my family, you can fuck right off.
Exactly.
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LisaNY: Since when is it a problem to try and 'be cool'? Oh, you got me! Empires have been built and razed on 'coolness'.
Oh, cry me a fucking river. No one said it was a problem to be cool. Fix your hair differently. Wear great clothes. Listen to excellent music, read great, interesting stuff and start a cool conversation with it. But don't think for a fucking second that, as Jacob and others have pointed out, that a habit that endangers other peoples' health is cool. Your problem is that you very much think smoking is cool, despite what you say. Your issue with this discussion is that, as I pointed out before, you're not getting the response you want, and you're trying to put that onto other people. Nice try. No dice.
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post #80 of 99
4/25/08 at 2:54pm
Thread Starter 
I love that I'm using my coffee and lunch breaks to talk on here instead of actually smoking.

EDIT: I should mention I'm skeptical of secondhand smoking, and also apologize for my desperation in finding like-minded smokers.
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post #81 of 99
4/25/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by dreary louse View Post
I love that I'm using my coffee and lunch breaks to talk on here instead of actually smoking.

EDIT: I should mention I'm skeptical of secondhand smoking, and also apologize for my desperation in finding like-minded smokers.
You mean you're skeptical that secondhand smoke can increase the likelihood of cancer, lung problems, pregnancy complications, and heart problems? That's convenient for you and all, but your skepticism has very little scientific support. An overwhelming majority of health organizations agree that secondhand smoke does have negative effects.

Sorry to oppress you.
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post #82 of 99
4/25/08 at 4:01pm
Yeah, my oncologist told me to stay away from smokers and stay out of the sun because I'm more inclined to get more cancer as a survivor. I don't think he was just making that up, it doesn't seem in his best interest.
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post #83 of 99
4/25/08 at 5:51pm
I don't smoke. Never have, never will.

I like a beer once in a while, but I don't keep it a home. If I want one, I go out. It's more expensive, but it keeps me from drinking if I'm depressed or stressed out. Plus, if I go to a bar, I might find some desperate female to sleep with me.

I need coffee like I need oxygen.
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post #84 of 99
6/23/08 at 3:57am
Thread Starter 
I've been awfully pretentious about my addiction, I'll admit, but after getting into a fight for smoking (I was the one lighting up), I have to wonder how wary people are of hysteria around health issues.

I had walked into a non-smoking bus shelter, about to extinguish my smoke, when some guy began screaming at me that you can't smoke there for law - I admit this was an ass move of myself to even bring it into there, and said if it bothered him I was tossing it, but then he got up into my face about the deadliness of second-hand smoke - upon this time my buddy backed me up (who smokes, but this was unknown to them) for him to leave me alone, just as I was trying to calm the guy down (unsuccessfully). But then a second man in the shelter piped up that he "doesn't like that shit [about smoking]" and cuffed my shocked friend in the face - twelve times (over the course of the situation), while the guy, who originally spoke to me, shifted his weight onto me and continued to try and press a fight between ourselves. Just before he instigated a fight, the other guy shoved us both out of the shack, tearing my clothes and my friend's glasses (not to mention the rippling of his face earlier).

I want to note that these two individuals never met each other before - they connected as soon as the guy who came in later said, "I don't know this guy, but I agree with him!" and a posse was formed. No violence was returned on the part of my friend or myself, just blocks and dodges.

And I'll never forget that immortal line, when the assualter yelled "That shit is deadly!" and punched a friend in the face after uttering it.

Is this where we're going as a society? What the fuck is next? That could have easily been a mob. Uninstigated violence. How can a little smoke be equal to blows to the face? It doesn't bother me to not smoke in restaurants and the like, and I had no privilege to smoke in the shelter, but to be dealt with immediate, uninstigated for violence about a health issue was amazing to me in irony.

I was that threatening to them? What the fuck? Jesus.
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post #85 of 99
6/23/08 at 3:59am
I would join such a mob.
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post #86 of 99
6/23/08 at 4:10am
I wish someone would punch me in the face for spending 9 bucks on a pack of Camel Lights.
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post #87 of 99
6/23/08 at 4:25am
It's funny, I couldn't care less being around secondhand smoke. I don't care about health repercussions, the smell reminds me of when I was a little kid and practically every grownup I knew smoked, etc. But if I ever see any of my friends light a cigarette I immediately get either extremely disappointed or pissed at them for being willing to fuck themselves over like that. Came home from LA for two weeks and saw that one of my oldest friends had taken up smoking and I almost took his fucking head off.
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post #88 of 99
6/23/08 at 4:34am
I smoke and I think it fucking sucks. I've tried to quit twice now, but no dice. When I DO finally nail it, I'm gonna be the happiest guy in the world. It's a really REALLY dumb thing to do.
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post #89 of 99
6/23/08 at 5:48am
Does Louse's story sound suspicious to anyone else? Like there are a few choice details omitted or altered in order to make it more ridiculously one-sided? There's just something very O'Reilly Factor about the whole thing.

What I really don't understand, and maybe someone here (other than Louse) can explain; why, in this day and age, does somebody actually start smoking? I mean, I understand why they don't quit, addictive chemicals and all, but why did you start in the first place? You can't honestly claim that you'd never heard that it was a bad idea at this point. So how does that idea get into your head and stick?
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post #90 of 99
6/23/08 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Does Louse's story sound suspicious to anyone else? Like there are a few choice details omitted or altered in order to make it more ridiculously one-sided? There's just something very O'Reilly Factor about the whole thing.
Yeah, I'm getting the faint whiff of bullshit from it as well.
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It's funny, I couldn't care less being around secondhand smoke.
Secondhand smoke bothers me alot. Not just the health effects, but the stink. I had quit smoking way back, and now the smell bothers me more than anything. Because the real gray area is outside - technically, you can't really say much just because the wind is blowing a certain way. Saturday evening, I was down in the Village waiting for my date in front of the place where we were having dinner. All of a sudden, some guy comes along, plants himself next to me, and starts smoking a cigar (which out of all the smoking smells in the world, that's the one I hate the most). Since we were outside, I moved down the sidewalk. Then, some other jackass comes along to that new spot and lights up a cigarette - so I moved further down from that spot. I went from waiting in the middle of the block to waiting at the end of the block because two morons decided to just spread themselves out a little bit. Just stand in the same spot so you're both only smelling each other's fumes.
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post #91 of 99
6/23/08 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post

What I really don't understand, and maybe someone here (other than Louse) can explain; why, in this day and age, does somebody actually start smoking? I mean, I understand why they don't quit, addictive chemicals and all, but why did you start in the first place? You can't honestly claim that you'd never heard that it was a bad idea at this point. So how does that idea get into your head and stick?
Don't you know? It's to be "cool". You're cool if you smoke.
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post #92 of 99
6/23/08 at 11:26am
Thread Starter 
What details sounded omitted? I posted that in a rush. But I went here for objective viewpoints and I'm glad I got them.

I should also mention my friend is a bit of a "smart mouth" as his attacker proclaimed (though no insults of the word hypocrite were uttered till blows), and it immediately escalated after I said, "What the fuck? Don't harass me." Then my buddy piped in and told him I was just trying to enjoy a cigarette (by this point I extinguished it).

I am just surprised members on here would join a mob.

And yeah, it is inevitably one-sided cause I was involved. But regardless, this was unprovoked violence joined in by strangers. If you wouldn't beat one of your friends for smoking, but can take it out on a stranger, well, that's quite wrong.
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post #93 of 99
6/23/08 at 4:12pm
I think people just get really worked up about the prospect of dying of cancer through no fault of their own. I don't, and never have, raised my voice at a smoker, or even asked one to stop smoking. I even lie and say I don't mind when they ask, just because I'm such a polite fucking pushover. That said, I've wanted to yell at them.

I'd like to think I'd draw the line at some guy juggling glowing carbon rods near me.
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post #94 of 99
6/23/08 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
What I really don't understand, and maybe someone here (other than Louse) can explain; why, in this day and age, does somebody actually start smoking? I mean, I understand why they don't quit, addictive chemicals and all, but why did you start in the first place? You can't honestly claim that you'd never heard that it was a bad idea at this point. So how does that idea get into your head and stick?
I can't speak for everyone else, but I know for myself it was a combination of stupidity and teen angst. I was 17, really really depressed, doing a lot of drugs and cutting myself, not sleeping at all, and smoking just seemed like the next logical step in my downward spiral of self destruction. At the time possibly dying of cancer seemed like a plus.
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post #95 of 99
6/23/08 at 9:02pm
I started at 22, so it definitely wasn't to be cool. I just like it... it's relaxing and stress relieving. I've quit before for a few months here and there cold turkey for various reasons and had no problem with it, but I like it too much to quit. Nothing like waking up in the morning and grabbing a coffee and a cigarette before getting to some work.

Actually, my new year's resolution for 2007 was to take up smoking again. And I did it- for the whole year! How many people can say they kept to their resolutions like that?
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post #96 of 99
6/23/08 at 10:00pm
Any people from Arizona in here? Do they still run those revolting anti-smoking commercials they started in the late '90s? Some of those were more graphic then a Lucio Fulci movie, and appeared to have cost several million dollars.
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post #97 of 99
6/23/08 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello View Post
I wish someone would punch me in the face for spending 9 bucks on a pack of Camel Lights.
Holy shit! I don't pay that much for a pack and I smoke Nat Sherman's & Dunhills (untill they sold out to Philip Morris).

I don't get the outrage over second-hand smoke. Of all the things out there bad for you, this is a minor inconvenience. The outrage seems petty.
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post #98 of 99
6/23/08 at 10:14pm
NYC just upped their already ridiculous tax on cigarettes another 2 bucks or something. I have to find buy one get one frees for it to make any sense. I might just go back to rolling them again.
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post #99 of 99
6/23/08 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
I don't get the outrage over second-hand smoke. Of all the things out there bad for you, this is a minor inconvenience. The outrage seems petty.
That depends on whose scientific findings you go with. If the anti-smoking camp is correct, then I'd hardly call the risk of cancer a minor inconvenience. On the other hand (and I say this, in all fairness, as someone who's pretty repulsed by smoking), there's a lot of legitimate doubt thrown on those findings.

That aside, the other things out there that are bad for you are, by and large, things you do to yourself, by choice. Second-hand smoke is not. That's the issue.
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