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post #51 of 103
6/11/08 at 4:27pm
I don't use it except unfortunately a few moments where I lose my cool that I regret later.

BUUUUT... I do have a gay friend who uses it. He says it deflates the tension if the gay in the room is willing to use it.

The real issue in my glorious town is the sheer amount of uses of "Jew" as slang.

"That's Jew-ed man"

"God my math teacher's Jewish sometimes"

"My job's pretty Jew, I wanna quit so bad."

Those are all actual quotes.
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post #52 of 103
6/11/08 at 4:28pm
"My job's pretty Jew."? What the hell does that even mean?
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post #53 of 103
6/11/08 at 4:33pm
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"My job's pretty Jew."? What the hell does that even mean?
He's an Israeli soldier, so, it's actually kind of fair.
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post #54 of 103
6/11/08 at 4:37pm
Jew basically serves the same function as gay usually does in dergatory slang.

"My job sucks"="My job's gay"="My job's Jew".
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post #55 of 103
6/11/08 at 4:37pm
Damn it Miller. I can't laugh that much with my throat feeling the way it does.
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post #56 of 103
6/11/08 at 4:50pm
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"My job's pretty Jew."? What the hell does that even mean?
That the job requires you to be cheap, bitch a lot and have a big nose? *shrug*
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post #57 of 103
6/11/08 at 5:00pm
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He's an Israeli soldier, so, it's actually kind of fair.
I'm sending green boxes to you, sir.

And this one:
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"God my math teacher's Jewish sometimes"
What if the math teacher was Jewish? Does he wake up on certain mornings and go 'you know, I don't feel like being Jewish today'?
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post #58 of 103
6/11/08 at 5:08pm
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What if the math teacher was Jewish? Does he wake up on certain mornings and go 'you know, I don't feel like being Jewish today'?
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post #59 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
It's just so foreign to me. I have never in my life called someone a fag or said something was gay. Nor have I had any friends who did.
My friends and I call each other "maricón" or "cabrón" all the time, when we're bullshitting around or just whatever. Like, the same way guys call each other "dude" or "man" alot. Those two words mean "faggot" and "asshole", by the way, contextually and vulgarity-wise.

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I think he did the "lived in the car" thing, or something like that.
I read this in the June issue of GQ. It's a pretty neat read, and the story about him and Channing Tatum in NYC is great.
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post #60 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:16pm
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It was more a comment on her claim that none of her friends use the word "gay" or "fag", something I find very hard to believe.
Why? Many of my friends are gay. As such, I and they would never use it as a derogatory term. And it's just lazy. There are so many better words to use to insult someone.

Edit: I don't know any gays who use that term. And I wouldn't want to be friends with any that did. It's demeaning.

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My friends and I call each other "maricón" or "cabrón" all the time, when we're bullshitting around or just whatever. Like, the same way guys call each other "dude" or "man" alot. Those two words mean "faggot" and "asshole", by the way, contextually and vulgarity-wise.
Good for you?
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post #61 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:22pm
Where is this video? The Youtube links have been pulled.
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post #62 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:24pm
Never mind.

http://home.theundergroundcity.com/k...460/22344.html

And after watching it, how can you be offended. Dude is obviously drunk as hell.
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post #63 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:28pm
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I read this in the June issue of GQ. It's a pretty neat read, and the story about him and Channing Tatum in NYC is great.
Ummm, he's bragging about pooping his pants until age 12? I applaud his honesty, but man, that's gross. Every time I see his him in a movie, I'm gonna think "POOP PANTS!"
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post #64 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:34pm
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Good for you?
Ehn.

Honestly, I wouldn't try it in the States since they're more uptight about it, but nobody really cares over here. My university has a LOT of homosexuals, and I have a bunch of gay friends. They don't give a shit. And not in a "they do, but don't say anything" way. They really, truly don't give a shit. They call each other the same thing, laughing their ass off.

Unless you can hear spite or malice or arrogance in the way you say it, nobody really gets offended.

Like I said, it's said and taken the same way people call each other "dude" or "man" anywhere else.

It's not like we say it in public, but between friends, then "whatever".

I'm finding it's really hard to explain just how little we care about that here, heh!
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post #65 of 103
6/11/08 at 6:50pm
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No need to explain. The people who use the term in the United States say the same thing. But personally, the fact that people use it so casually and the fact that people aren't offended by its use saddens me. I feel the same way about Black people (or anyone really) calling each other nigger. Whether or not you use it as a term of endearment doesn't take away from what it actually means and the history that is attached to it.
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post #66 of 103
6/11/08 at 9:41pm
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No need to explain. The people who use the term in the United States say the same thing. But personally, the fact that people use it so casually and the fact that people aren't offended by its use saddens me. I feel the same way about Black people (or anyone really) calling each other nigger. Whether or not you use it as a term of endearment doesn't take away from what it actually means and the history that is attached to it.
Well, maybe it's a good thing to Care Bear such a hateful word into something that's less offensive. It's (almost) worked for "nigga", and I'm sure there must be other examples. Someone get Jesse Sheidlower on the phone!
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post #67 of 103
6/11/08 at 9:47pm
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I feel the same way about Black people (or anyone really) calling each other nigger. Whether or not you use it as a term of endearment doesn't take away from what it actually means and the history that is attached to it.

THIS DRIVES ME FUCKING CRAZY. It makes me insanely uncomfortable when I hear a group of Black people toss that word around. I have a Black female friend who was called that word by a racist asshole at the mall, and seeing how deeply it hurt her left a lasting impression on me. I'm all for people joking around and having a good time. God knows if you've read any of my posts, I'm not exactly a paragon of prim and proper principles(alliteration yo!), but I know when somebody's crossed a line. I wish people, ALL people, would just stop saying that goddamn word.
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post #68 of 103
6/11/08 at 10:11pm
Shia visits Chud and he posts on aintitcool apparently. so i don't think he's that far removed, and he's a big 70's cinema fan.
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post #69 of 103
6/11/08 at 10:22pm
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THIS DRIVES ME FUCKING CRAZY. It makes me insanely uncomfortable when I hear a group of Black people toss that word around. I have a Black female friend who was called that word by a racist asshole at the mall, and seeing how deeply it hurt her left a lasting impression on me. I'm all for people joking around and having a good time. God knows if you've read any of my posts, I'm not exactly a paragon of prim and proper principles(alliteration yo!), but I know when somebody's crossed a line. I wish people, ALL people, would just stop saying that goddamn word.
There's a difference between "Dude, don't be a fag, pass me the controller" and "A faggot better not sit next to me on the bus".

Just like there's a difference between "Nigga, that was dumb" and "I hate when niggers walk too close to my car".
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post #70 of 103
6/11/08 at 10:37pm
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There's a difference between "Dude, don't be a fag, pass me the controller" and "A faggot better not sit next to me on the bus".

Just like there's a difference between "Nigga, that was dumb" and "I hate when niggers walk too close to my car".
People claim there's a difference, but the root of the word is hate, no matter how it's pronounced or spelled. End of story.
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post #71 of 103
6/11/08 at 11:06pm
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People claim there's a difference, but the root of the word is hate, no matter how it's pronounced or spelled. End of story.
"Hate" is such a strong word. "Malice" and "ignorance" seem more appropiate.

Anyways, I think there's a difference when it comes to context, because if not then what's the point of the concept of context? *

* Say that five times fast!
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post #72 of 103
6/11/08 at 11:10pm
(straight white male walks out of the conversation...)

Oh, hey, Shia LeBouf! Neat!
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post #73 of 103
6/11/08 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
"Hate" is such a strong word. "Malice" and "ignorance" seem more appropiate.

Anyways, I think there's a difference when it comes to context, because if not then what's the point of the concept of context? *

* Say that five times fast!
I guess, but the word makes me very uncomfortable, in any context.
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post #74 of 103
6/12/08 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post
(straight white male walks out of the conversation...)

Oh, hey, Shia LeBouf! Neat!
Didya hear he used to poop his pants?

Seriously though, you gotta love that Spielberg/BioShock story. That's too awesome.
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post #75 of 103
6/12/08 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Edit: I don't know any gays who use that term. And I wouldn't want to be friends with any that did. It's demeaning.
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Gay people use that word a lot, mostly for comedic reasons.
This is the thing. A lot of members in the gay community tend to believe that those who use that word in a derogatory manner are below them. And anyone that picks up on that vibe around them can join in, if done correctly. It's all about context. It's funny when two of my best friends (one of them being gay) and I get in a car, and the straight one says to the gay one, "I got shotgun. You have to sit in the back seat because you're gay." It's outright mocking the homophobes. See, that shit flies around my friend because he knows us very well and he knows we support him. If I were to say that to a gay person that I just met, it wouldn't work.
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post #76 of 103
6/12/08 at 11:46am
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I understand the context. I don't get why you find that funny.
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post #77 of 103
6/12/08 at 11:55am
It's funny because of who its coming from. He said it to someone he's known since second grade. He's also known as being a pretty nice person, so when he says something like that, it's funny.
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post #78 of 103
6/12/08 at 12:22pm
Using faggot is dumb, but the guy is wasted. When I drink too much, I have a tendency to leer at pretty girls and tell each of my buddies "I love ya, man."
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post #79 of 103
6/12/08 at 12:41pm
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It's funny because of who its coming from. He said it to someone he's known since second grade. He's also known as being a pretty nice person, so when he says something like that, it's funny.
Fair enough. But you quoted yourself as saying that gay people use the term themselves "for comedic purposes" and then gave an example of a straight person calling a gay person out. In what kind of situation would your gay friend call himself a faggot for laughs? Just curious.
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post #80 of 103
6/12/08 at 2:06pm
It really depends on the situation. Does it always work? Probably not, but it can be funny.

Question: do your friends find the scene in BLAZING SADDLES with Dom DeLuise funny?
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post #81 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:00pm
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I haven't seen that movie in years? Which scene is that?
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post #82 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:01pm
The scene where as the cowboys and townsfolk are fighting they cut to a Broadway show dance number which then gets enveloped by the fighting. It's towards the end.

"Sounds like steam escaping in here!"
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post #83 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:11pm
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I haven't seen that movie in years? Which scene is that?
Buddy Bizarre! "Watch me! It's so simple! Give me the playback! Watch me, faggots!"

(By the way, it's on tomorrow night on TV Land at 8:00 PM EST, or Saturday night at 7 PM.)
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post #84 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:13pm
My point was I dare anyone not to laugh when before he starts dancing, he goes, "now watch me, faggots!" while stomping his foot to the beat.
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post #85 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:18pm
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(By the way, it's on tomorrow night on TV Land at 8:00 PM EST, or Saturday night at 7 PM.)
Ugh, I can't stand BLAZING SADDLES on TV. Watch this instead.
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post #86 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:19pm
Blazzing Saddles on tv is like Pulp Fiction on tv. Why the hell are you wasting your time?

Oh and

"What in the wide of world sports is going on here? I hired you people to try to get a little track laid, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots."
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post #87 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:26pm
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I would never watch Blazing Saddles on TV.

In any case, I think Blazing Saddles is funny because it is a satire. It exaggerates stereotypes of race, gender, and sexual orientaion partly for humor, but also as social commentary. The prejudice on display is so absurd and over the top you have to laugh.

Calling someone gay for not passing a remote or having to sit in the backseat of a car isn't humerous in and of itself nor does it flip the meaning of the word when someone who isn't normally homophobic uses the term.

But I digress. Some people think calling each other faggots is funny. I don't. At least we all can agree BS is a funny movie. Yet again, movies bring us all together!
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post #88 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:30pm
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Calling someone gay for not passing a remote or having to sit in the backseat of a car isn't humerous in and of itself nor does it flip the meaning of the word when someone who isn't normally homophobic uses the term.

But I digress. Some people think calling each other faggots is funny. I don't. At least we all can agree BS is a funny movie. Yet again, movie bring us all together!
It's all about context, if you call someone gay for sitting in the back seat clearly mocking the whole bullshit idea of something being lame=gay then I can see that being humorous i.e. that episode where Lisa was dating Nelson and then Jimbo comes in with "Dude, you kissed a girl! That is so gay."

If you're not doing it for that reason then yeah it's stupid and really really fucking tired.
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post #89 of 103
6/12/08 at 3:50pm
I hope Diva doesn't catch The Monster Squad anytime soon.
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post #90 of 103
6/12/08 at 4:06pm
Okay, okay, true, don't watch it on TV. I wasn't thinking clearly. (Actually, Ed, Pulp Fiction was on TV the other night. I watched it for about two seconds, just because, and then thought, "Fuck this, it's TV" and changed the channel).

My actual point was agreeing with Scott...
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My point was I dare anyone not to laugh when before he starts dancing, he goes, "now watch me, faggots!" while stomping his foot to the beat.
"He shoved Buffy! Get him, girls!"
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post #91 of 103
6/12/08 at 4:15pm
I'm trying to think, what can they even show of Pulp Fiction on TV? All the dialogue would either be bleeped or cut around. And everyone's always dying.

Aah, they can show Sammy J's Ezekiel speech. Twice.
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post #92 of 103
6/12/08 at 4:17pm
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I'm trying to think, what can they even show of Pulp Fiction on TV? All the dialogue would either be bleeped or cut around. And everyone's always dying.

Aah, they can show Sammy J's Ezekiel speech. Twice.
They dub in really bizarre phrases that make no sense. It actually turns PF into a comedy.
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post #93 of 103
6/12/08 at 4:29pm
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They dub in really bizarre phrases that make no sense. It actually turns PF into a comedy.
"I'm one high toned PERSON MY FRIEND."
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post #94 of 103
6/12/08 at 4:52pm
I'm trying to remember what they actually said. I got no further than Tim Roth and Amanda Plummer in the coffee shop. It was a combo of substituted "acceptable" words, as well as the silent bleep where they just mute the words out. So there was alot of silence when she screams "Any of you (....) (....) MOVE, and I'll execute every mother(....) last one of ya!" I changed it right then, I didn't even stick around for "Miserlou".
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post #95 of 103
6/12/08 at 4:53pm
I am friends with a LOT of gay people (my brother is gay) and I'll throw out "fag" or "You're SO gay" sometimes. Most of them use the term themselves. One guy had a problem with it, and we talked, and I told him, "Look, if I had a problem with gay people I wouldn't be hanging out with you. Think of it more as me poking fun at the locals' reaction to gay people."

He told me that it's hard to do that initially, living in a small southern christian town, but that he understood and doesn't have a problem with it. And we call each other some gay slur everytime we see one another.
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post #96 of 103
6/12/08 at 5:13pm
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I sound like a broken record, but I just don't understand why calling someone gay is funny. I know you are all just joking and I get that you aren't actually homophobes, but I fail to see what the "joke" is. No one has yet to adequately explain that. From all your comments, the joke apparently is "I'm laughing at you because you like to sleep with other guys". There are so many other fun and inventive things to call people when you are just teasing them. Obviously, I just don't get the appeal.

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"I'm one high toned PERSON MY FRIEND."
"Tell that babe to be cool!"
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post #97 of 103
6/12/08 at 5:30pm
Homer strangling Bart wouldn't be funny if Bart had lasting bruises as a result. Archie Bunker was able to be a racist asshole and still make people laugh because his character was astonishingly ignorant. Michael Scott can say something is "faggy" and still be funny because of the repercussions. It's all about context.

You make it sound like any comedic use of the word "fag" is off limits for you and your friends. I'm just trying to figure out to what degree that is. Thus, do your friends find the Dom DeLuise scene in BLAZING SADDLES funny?
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post #98 of 103
6/12/08 at 5:43pm
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Homer strangling Bart wouldn't be funny if Bart had lasting bruises as a result. Archie Bunker was able to be a racist asshole and still make people laugh because his character was astonishingly ignorant. Michael Scott can say something is "faggy" and still be funny because of the repercussions. It's all about context.

You make it sound like any comedic use of the word "fag" is off limits for you and your friends. I'm just trying to figure out to what degree that is. Thus, do your friends find the Dom DeLuise scene in BLAZING SADDLES funny?
I don't find Homer strangling Bart funny. Plus, he's a cartoon. It wouldn't be funny as a live action gag. People laugh at Archie not with him. Michael is blissfully ignorant, and as you mentioned there are often repercussions for him behaving or saying things inappropriately.

It's not like the word "fag" is off limits per se. I've just never heard any of my friends use the term in a joking manner. We call each other jerks, assholes, douchebags, etc. But fag isn't a term that people use generally. It always shocks me when people do use it because I really don't hear the term all that often.
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post #99 of 103
6/12/08 at 5:58pm
Fair enough. And it makes sense, it depends on person to person and who their friends are.
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post #100 of 103
6/12/08 at 6:09pm
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I don't find Homer strangling Bart funny.
I think we're through here.
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