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As one of the (many, I hope) people who disagreed with Devin's point of viw in his "Your superhero is broken" article ( http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php...perhero+broken ), (which i will admit I found inspiring despite my utter disagreement with it), i wanted to post about some memorable superhero comics that actually prove how limitless this genre can be (alas, it rarely is) when it comes to originality and themes; Ill start 8skipping "Watchmen", for obviosu reasons), but Im looking foward to learn which comic books you find deserving of being considered Groundbreaking:

"Starman" (Writer: James Robinson): im doing my thesis on Robinson's "Starman", as I consider its characterization and use of a superhero comic's concepts of legacy and character growth as one of the runs that started the new comic book age (IE the "Writer's Age, as I call it"). Jack Knight remains in my mind as the most likable and believable comic book character Ive read in my life...so far.

"The Golden Age" (Writer: James Robinson): I love how the characterization and use of real life sociopolitical events make a Golden Age-like plot (fuck spoilers on this one) believable...shit, the characterization was so good, DC incorporated part of this "elseworlds" story in continuity.

"The Spectre" (Writer: John Ostrander): A former theologian, Ostrander's run on "The Spectre" is a fantastic portrayal of faith, belief and spirituality, all wrapped around a stunningly human drama...Sure, you might find it sacrilegious (if you are a fundamentalist) or nonsensical (if you are an extreme atheist), but Ostrander's pretty much wrote the definitive "path to redemption" tale in comics here, if you ask me.

"Sandman Mistery Theater" (writers: Matt Wagner/Steven T. Seagle): Sure, it was a Vertigo title, but this "serious yet pulp like" title starred a realistic and relatable "costumed adventurer", and tackled realistic, horrific crimes in its pages...the core character and their world is so well written/portrayed, that the appearance of more fantastic heroes in the last issues never feel out of place.

How about you, fellas?
post #2 of 10
The current title Black Summer by Warren Ellis flipped the superhero archetype a bit, but I don't think that speaks towards its quality which is not all that great. Mark Millar was trying to do reinvent something or other with Kick-Ass, but it's yet to be seen if it's going to turn out read-able let alone transcendent. While there are always new ideas and concepts, most of the groundbreaking stories and reinvention took place during the 80s, and people like Miller and Moore were the first to capitalize on those ideas.

There's also groundbreaking in terms of story structure and pace, but those are not often correlated with books in the superhero genre. I know it's incredibly cliche, but Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns are the two that are head and shoulders above everything else when it comes to giving us something new. And I don't particularly care for DKR.
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Ex Machina (Writer Brian K. Vaughn): Mix West Wing sensibilities with intriguing as hell Science fiction elements and blend with real life events and you have a book that not only explores how Mitchell Hundred became mayor and his powers but also taking major political issues and events.
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'Concrete' is interesting. It's a very human take on having super powers.

'Top Ten' is one of my absolute favourites as a cop drama in a superhero world.

There are a few comics out there that twist the genre in one way or another. I just read 'The Boys' which is very... Garth Ennis (It does get bonus points for having a character based on Simon Pegg, who also does the books introduction).

For me it doesn't need to be groundbreaking, it just needs to be good ideas well executed. For instance there is very little that is groundbreaking about Tom Strong, but I liked it because it was fresh and interesting.

What I really dislike about the big two companies is they rely so much on continuity and established characters.
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Astro City. Stuffed to the brim with every superhero cliche in the book yet manages to find fresh takes on them every single time.
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'Top Ten' is one of my absolute favourites as a cop drama in a superhero world.
I love it too, though I felt at times it was somewhat influenced by Marshal Law - which was a very innovative book imo.
post #7 of 10
I preferred Gotham Central over Top 10 but that's due to being more of a crime fiction guy.
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Sandman Mystery Theatre

Glad to see this title get some love. Ask me, this was Vertigo's red headed stepchild. Very, very underrated.

As much as I love the Endless, I would much prefer this title be adapted into a film, or HBO series.

A casting list:

Wesley Dodds-a pudgy Anthony Rapp

Dian Belmont-Zoey Deschanel

D.A. Belmont-Kevin Tighe

Lt. Burke-Elias Koteas

The Face-Michael Wincott

The Man of the Hour-Ty Burrell

The Mist-Bruce Davison

The Tarantula-Angelica Huston & Jermey Renner

Executive Producers: Alex Proyas and Todd Haynes

Writers: Matt Wagner, Steven T. Seagel, Darin Morgan, Lem Dobbs, and Nancy Oliver

Directors: Alex Proyas, Todd Haynes, Todd Field, Davis Guggenheim, Ed Bianchi, Leslie Williams, and a comeback for Russell Mulachly

Music: Reginald Heil and Johnny Klimek(Run Lola Run, and One Hour Photo)

Would this not be the perfect HBO show? It would deconstruct the comic adaptation genre with as much class as The Sopranos and Deadwood did with their respective genres.
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DMZ is a solid book. An angry book. But a good one.
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I would add Preacher to the list. Very epic storytelling with great characters but without being pretentious. I can't think of many titles (that aren't already commercially successful) that can match it in terms of the far-reaching scope of the story.

Not to mention that Arseface is one of the most "out of left field" characters that I've ever seen. Plus, he has a lovely singing voice.
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