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Atheist soldier sues the military

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/26/ath....ap/index.html

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Atheist soldier claims harassment

JUNCTION CITY, Kansas (AP) -- Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.

But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging that he's been harassed and his constitutional rights have been violated because he doesn't believe in God. The suit names Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

"I'm not in it for cash," Hall said. "I want no one else to go what I went through."

Known as "the atheist guy," Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and -- just as severe to some soldiers -- gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.

"I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That's what I believe everyone else should see," he said.

Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school. It wasn't until he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding that he couldn't follow any faith.

But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.

"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.

It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.

"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,' " Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."

The issue came to a head when, according to Hall, a superior officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, threatened to bring charges against him for trying to hold a meeting of atheists in Iraq. Welborn has denied Hall's allegations.

Hall said he had had enough but feared that he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.

"The average American doesn't have enough intestinal fortitude to tell someone to shut up if they are talking in a movie theater," Weinstein said. "You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn't the shift manager at KFC."

Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed September 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kansas. Other soldiers learned of it, and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.

The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes that his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.

No one with Fort Riley, the Army or that Defense Department would comment about Hall or the lawsuit. Each issued statements saying that discrimination will not be tolerated regardless of race, religion or gender.

"The department respects [and supports by its policy] the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs," said Eileen Lainez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Defense.

All three organizations said existing systems help soldiers "address and resolve any perceived unfair treatment."

Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.

"When you're in Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren't asking about a wounded soldier's faith," Shurtleff said.

Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.

"I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers' religious needs are met," he said.

"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people," he said. "Personally, I don't want it or need it. But I'm not going to get down on anybody else for it."


Hall leaves the Army in April 2009. He would like to find work with the National Park Service or Environmental Protection Agency, anything outdoors.

"I hope this doesn't define me," Hall said of his lawsuit. "It's just about time somebody said something."
post #2 of 15
"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people,"

So does candy. Good luck to this guy. He seems like a smart kid. Should have stayed in school.
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Funny, I made the final leap to atheist in boot camp. There's something about being surrounded by automatons, I guess.

I never got harassed over it, though. I just got the occasional look of pity that made me want to hit it with my boot.
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I feel for him. Sounds like he feel in with the wrong company commanded by a religious nut.
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"There are no atheists in foxholes!"

- Harry Morgan, as General Steele (before he was Colonel Potter) on M*A*S*H.

"You can give your heart to Jesus. But your ass belongs to the Corps."

- R. Lee Ermey as Sgt. Hartman, "Full Metal Jacket."

The latter sounds like Christianity is optional. You CAN give your heart to Jesus. Not "You MUST give your heart to jesus." How is a poor dogface to reconcile these divergent maxims?
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Isn't the first missing the part saying that that's an argument against foxholes?

I believe it was also from something else too.
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg View Post
"There are no atheists in foxholes!"

- Harry Morgan, as General Steele (before he was Colonel Potter) on M*A*S*H.

"You can give your heart to Jesus. But your ass belongs to the Corps."

- R. Lee Ermey as Sgt. Hartman, "Full Metal Jacket."

The latter sounds like Christianity is optional. You CAN give your heart to Jesus. Not "You MUST give your heart to jesus." How is a poor dogface to reconcile these divergent maxims?
Yeah, but remember he slapped the shit out of Joker for not believing in the Virgin Mary, although he did promote Joker to Squad Leader for showing guts. Now I'm confused! AUUGH!
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Yeah, but remember he slapped the shit out of Joker for not believing in the Virgin Mary.
But then he promoted him!
post #9 of 15
Did someone order a code Red on his ass? Or is he just bitching because he had no friends and couldn't get promoted?

It's the Army son, they need leaders AND shit cleaners.
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And here's Snaieke, tireless champion of the overdog.
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And here's Snaieke, tireless champion of the overdog.
Snaieke, something is seriously wrong if you don't embrace this as your custom user title.
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If I had a clue what a custom user title was, I just might

I did love this part of the article...
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It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.

"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,' " Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."
I can see this being ripped off for a screenplay.
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Funny, I made the final leap to atheist in boot camp. There's something about being surrounded by automatons, I guess.

I never got harassed over it, though. I just got the occasional look of pity that made me want to hit it with my boot.
I got harassed a bit when I was studying computer programming, I walked into a one of the computer labs and asked "Hey What are you running there?" the guy just turned to me and said "Die Agnostic", I was stunned.




That was a long way to go for that.
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That was a long way to go for that.
Greatness shouldn't come easy.
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Originally Posted by Timothy225 View Post
Yeah, but remember he slapped the shit out of Joker for not believing in the Virgin Mary, although he did promote Joker to Squad Leader for showing guts. Now I'm confused! AUUGH!
Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann is just a complicated man like the rest of us.
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