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post #51 of 840
8/25/08 at 7:15pm
Not exactly UK, newbie Dubliner. Ireland is too small to start a thread for.
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post #52 of 840
8/26/08 at 8:22am
Lucky guy - I love Dublin.
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post #53 of 840
9/2/08 at 9:39pm
Being born and raised in Belfast (moved to England for uni) im going to say Belfast is better.
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post #54 of 840
9/2/08 at 9:43pm
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This is awesome...never thought there'd be so many other Brits here. Good a place as any to post for the first time I guess. I'm from Oxford, "seat of learning" as they say. More like "arse-end" of the UK, trust me.
I like Oxford, especially the people (well students) everyone seems suicidal when it comes to crossing roads!
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post #55 of 840
12/21/08 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by scott_nappo View Post
Being born and raised in Belfast (moved to England for uni) im going to say Belfast is better.
Here here. The fact that I'm another Belfast lad may or may not be a factor. Though, Dublin is pretty great. Just a bit too touristy.
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post #56 of 840
12/21/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
Not exactly UK, newbie Dubliner. Ireland is too small to start a thread for.
An all-Ireland thread would be good on two levels. One: relations. Two: Local colour.

What say you, Emerald Islanders (North and South?)
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post #57 of 840
12/21/08 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Well I do want to check out the UK and Ireland but break it up into parts so I'm not rushing into things. At the moment the trip is set for August of '09.
If it happens and you want a Belfast/Northern Ireland tour-guide/drinking buddy, give us a shout that man. If you plan to come up here, that is. You really should.
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post #58 of 840
1/29/09 at 7:33pm
Hi gang,

I'll be in London on Saturday. PM me if you wanna roll.
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post #59 of 840
1/29/09 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
If it happens and you want a Belfast/Northern Ireland tour-guide/drinking buddy, give us a shout that man. If you plan to come up here, that is. You really should.
Awesome man, I don't think it's in the cards this year sadly. But hopefully if we're still around in '10 keep your eyes open for me.
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post #60 of 840
1/30/09 at 9:57am
Me and the latest girlfriend just booked our first break away. To Dublin! Huzzah! I'll be there late March.
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post #61 of 840
1/30/09 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
Awesome man, I don't think it's in the cards this year sadly. But hopefully if we're still around in '10 keep your eyes open for me.
That's grand. Hopefully, Nappo will be around at the time too.
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post #62 of 840
1/30/09 at 5:15pm
I am vaguely amused by the fact that we've decided to split the dozen or so chewers who hail from the UK into their own respective nations. Devolution is apparently in vogue even on the internet.
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post #63 of 840
1/30/09 at 5:54pm
Well, weren't the parts of the UK at one point their own nations?

And Bobby, thanks for encouragement. I've also been told that I have a couch to use over in Leeds. And because Spike is nine feet tall, I'll have plenty of leg room.
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post #64 of 840
1/30/09 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I am vaguely amused by the fact that we've decided to split the dozen or so chewers who hail from the UK into their own respective nations. Devolution is apparently in vogue even on the internet.
Slightly more amusing is the devolution has been caused by a guy from Northern Ireland who is Protestant.. We're meant to want to be in the UK Bobby!

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Originally Posted by sackley View Post
Me and the latest girlfriend just booked our first break away. To Dublin! Huzzah! I'll be there late March.
My housemate and her boyfriend went over for New Year... They moaned to me that "its very expensive over there", so watch were you go (though im assuming you've been before)
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post #65 of 840
1/30/09 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by scott_nappo View Post
My housemate and her boyfriend went over for New Year... They moaned to me that "its very expensive over there", so watch were you go (though im assuming you've been before)
That makes sense seeing how the Pound has been taking a massive hit so far this year. See how it feels England!
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post #66 of 840
1/31/09 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by scott_nappo View Post
Slightly more amusing is the devolution has been caused by a guy from Northern Ireland who is Protestant.. We're meant to want to be in the UK Bobby!
Like yourself, I'm from a Protestant part of the community here, but I'm not in any way close to being a Protestant based on political affiliation or beliefs. In short, for the benefit of foreign Chewers, I didn't accept the "love of Unionism" spoon-fed to me. As anyone who knows anything about Irish history understands, issues of identity are about as far from trendy as it gets. They're pervasive throughout time.

I didn't start "devolution." I stood up for my beliefs as an Irish citizen. Ed has it right (don't mention it about the offer, by the way); my opinion is born out of fondness for a time when we were on our own and better off for it.

Saying we're "meant to want to be" in the UK is a matter of opinion. I'm not alone in Northern Ireland by saying that I feel about as British as chili con carne. I find unionism ideologically abhorrent and think we'd have been better off in 1922 sticking with our own. Hunger says it all really.

And all I wanted was to invite you to join our prospective trip, Nappo... you had to get political!
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post #67 of 840
1/31/09 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by scott_nappo View Post
My housemate and her boyfriend went over for New Year... They moaned to me that "its very expensive over there", so watch were you go (though im assuming you've been before)
Yeah, I went a couple of years ago and everyone warned me about how expensive food and drink is, but frankly when you've been to London, its about the same as the food and drink there (and most city centres to be honest, Manchester included).

Of course, thanks to the "credit crunch" (ugh) the pound is weaker than Wing, especially against the euro. But we got three nights in a hotel near Temple Bar and the flights there and back, all in for two people, for £230 which is pretty aces.
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post #68 of 840
1/31/09 at 4:20pm
Good job on the deal, sackley. You're right about the prices and it's worth it anyway.
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post #69 of 840
1/31/09 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Like yourself, I'm from a Protestant part of the community here, but I'm not in any way close to being a Protestant based on political affiliation or beliefs. In short, for the benefit of foreign Chewers, I didn't accept the "love of Unionism" spoon-fed to me. As anyone who knows anything about Irish history understands, issues of identity are about as far from trendy as it gets. They're pervasive throughout time.

I didn't start "devolution." I stood up for my beliefs as an Irish citizen. Ed has it right (don't mention it about the offer, by the way); my opinion is born out of fondness for a time when we were on our own and better off for it.

Saying we're "meant to want to be" in the UK is a matter of opinion. I'm not alone in Northern Ireland by saying that I feel about as British as chili con carne. I find unionism ideologically abhorrent and think we'd have been better off in 1922 sticking with our own. Hunger says it all really.

And all I wanted was to invite you to join our prospective trip, Nappo... you had to get political!
I'll keep my jokes in my head and chuckle to myself from now on then...
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post #70 of 840
2/1/09 at 12:38pm
I read that long, passionate response and yet all I got from it was 'help we're being oppressed'. I was merely stating amusement at you attempting to segregate the dozen or so British Chewers into their own threads (who do have collected interests due to stuff like the BBC, shared language, shared political structure) and you go off on one about Unionism. Then again I should have realised its impossible to having anything close to a civil conversation with an Irishman.
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post #71 of 840
2/1/09 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I read that long, passionate response and yet all I got from it was 'help we're being oppressed'. I was merely stating amusement at you attempting to segregate the dozen or so British Chewers into their own threads (who do have collected interests due to stuff like the BBC, shared language, shared political structure) and you go off on one about Unionism. Then again I should have realised its impossible to having anything close to a civil conversation with an Irishman.
Just to be clear, the first part of this regards Scott. The rest is to Spike.

Scott, I know that last comment's meant to be tongue in cheek but it just sounds unnecessarily condescending. This isn't the first time. It doesn't suit you, mate.

I was responding mostly to Nappo, Spike. Your comment about devolution also caught my eye (because it's untrue) so I included my response to you in the same post. I haven't spoken for anyone but myself, so how I've been "attempting to segregate" Chewers puzzles me. I shouldn't need to tell you that you misunderstood it.

You also make massive generalizations about political structure (way to overlook local government!) and languages. More importantly, though, your xenophobia lets down all of the (many) lovely, enlightened Englishmen and women I have ever met. I didn't take any pleasure saying that as you had long struck me as a smart, unique voice here.

And all I got from that last comment was "I'm morally vacuous."
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post #72 of 840
2/1/09 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post

I was responding mostly to Nappo, Spike. Your comment about devolution also caught my eye (because it's untrue) so I included my response to you in the same post. I haven't spoken for anyone but myself, so how I've been "attempting to segregate" Chewers puzzles me. I shouldn't need to tell you that you misunderstood it.

You also make massive generalizations about political structure (way to overlook local government!) and languages. More importantly, though, your xenophobia lets down all of the (many) lovely, enlightened Englishmen and women I have ever met. I didn't take any pleasure saying that as you had long struck me as a smart, unique voice here.

And all I got from that last comment was "I'm morally vacuous."
As someone whose had to endure countless lectures from extended family in Derry about the evil English and has seen several members of my closer family murdered during the troubles I find it difficult to not be amused by the idea of Republicanism being 'enlightened'.

I'm sure there are many Englishmen and Women who've been guilt tripped into taking sole moral responsibility for the troubles, but I'm not one of them.
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post #73 of 840
2/1/09 at 5:35pm
I'm not Ken Loach and this isn't some agenda-of-rage prestige picture. I never said Republicanism (in the militaristic sense you wrongly imply I meant) is enlightened and I wouldn't be the sort of person to defend either the sort of rhetoric you've heard or those from "the other side". I thought that was clear from the above. It isn't about "us vs. them/wrongly stereotyped Brits". To prove my point, last year I roasted Rose McGowan for her idiotic remarks regarding the IRA.

Translation: in my experience, most Englishmen and women understand that something as complicated and messy as Irish politics is best handled with care. In the wrong hands, it ends up getting misunderstood and reveals racists.
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post #74 of 840
2/1/09 at 5:41pm
Also, any English to be "guilt tripped into taking sole moral responsibility for the troubles" are misinformed idiots. So too are those who would have them do it. Despite what you try to make out, that's not what I do/did. You sure can read into things what you want.

That's Troubles with a capital "T", by the way.
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post #75 of 840
2/1/09 at 6:59pm
Alright alright let's be cool here*. Nothing wrong with a few extra threads if some people from a common area want to get to discuss. It's not as if we a CHUD Scots thread or a CHUD Notting Hill thread. It's not a big deal, no harm in it.

*Note that I can't always notice the emotional context of a statement and while it could be a civil discussion. I just want to make sure there's no bad blood here. Especially because I might need to use your couch in '10
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post #76 of 840
2/1/09 at 8:30pm
Agreed. Well said, Ed. I actually thought Spike and myself had reached an understanding of sorts, after an initial spat or two. I don't want to have any Chewer "enemies." My temper gets the better of me.
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post #77 of 840
2/1/09 at 10:28pm
It's understandable, it's an incredibly sensitive issue. Something that as a yank bastard I can't really relate to.
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post #78 of 840
2/2/09 at 9:04am
Your self-deprecation could rival my own, Ed. Thanks again for being the sober yin to my raging yang.
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post #79 of 840
2/2/09 at 10:50am
*tips his cap*, no problem.
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post #80 of 840
2/3/09 at 1:28pm
Hey. I used to live in Notting Hill. I'd be up for that!
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post #81 of 840
2/3/09 at 5:57pm
Now it's just getting silly.
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post #82 of 840
6/14/09 at 7:16pm
Thought I might as well get this thread back on track after derailing it. Maybe we can use it as an English Chewers thread.

Anyway what are you guys thinking about last weeks election results. It's seeming pretty obvious that Cameron's going to be the new PM, but I'm fascinated how the current backlash against politicians is going to shape the political landscape in '10
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post #83 of 840
6/14/09 at 10:19pm
That's a good question, in your view do you think the Lib Dems might be the main opposition or remain third place?
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post #84 of 840
6/14/09 at 10:27pm
The Liberal Democrats will never be a viable opposition party, I think UKIP might even start challenging their place as the third biggest party.
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post #85 of 840
6/15/09 at 5:19am
Yet another Mancunian piping up here (well, Rochdale. Home of Lisa Stansfield and chavs aplenty). This city is clearly the coolest.

As for politics, does it really matter what colour shirt they wear? They all screw us over anyway. So long as those fucktards at the BNP don't get any more power (forshame Northwest, forshame), my apathy could not be stronger. Which is, alas, nothing to be proud of, I know.
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post #86 of 840
7/12/09 at 7:55pm
I'm Plymouth-based currently for Uni, studying a Media Arts degree. Originally from Wales.
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post #87 of 840
7/15/09 at 9:03am
Thread Starter 
Re: UK Politics.

At least we have more than 2 parties to choose from. I never understood how in the US you basically have 2 choices and anything else is considered throwing away your vote.
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post #88 of 840
7/15/09 at 9:14am
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I never understood how in the US you basically have 2 choices and anything else is considered throwing away your vote.
Images of Kang and Kodos.
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post #89 of 840
7/15/09 at 9:15am
Thread Starter 
Exactly my point.
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post #90 of 840
8/6/09 at 3:47pm
I s'ppose I should pop in here and do the right thing... I've been living back in London now for 5 years and recently drifted from the West to the East End of taahhnn. I absolutely love it over here in Mile End.

Did you know that the house that Frederick Treves discovered ol' Mr Merrick in is now a 'Saree Centre'? And that it is RIGHT over the road from the hospital? In 'The Elephant Man' film it seems like he had to search through some grimy backstreets to find that freaky shite but no, he could've, and probably did, just pop in there on his way to get some pie n' mash.... or jellied eels or summink.
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post #91 of 840
8/8/09 at 7:29pm
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I s'ppose I should pop in here and do the right thing... I've been living back in London now for 5 years and recently drifted from the West to the East End of taahhnn. I absolutely love it over here in Mile End.

Did you know that the house that Frederick Treves discovered ol' Mr Merrick in is now a 'Saree Centre'? And that it is RIGHT over the road from the hospital? In 'The Elephant Man' film it seems like he had to search through some grimy backstreets to find that freaky shite but no, he could've, and probably did, just pop in there on his way to get some pie n' mash.... or jellied eels or summink.
Mile End eh? I live near Romford and work at Stratford station. It's not a bad area really. Better then sarf' London!
Going to the Empire Movie-Con?
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post #92 of 840
8/10/09 at 5:24am
Thread Starter 
My dad is from Peckham, I used to spend 2 weeks in summer up in London when the grandparents lived there. Still know the bus numbers to get me anywhere I want.

Ironically my wife's madien name was Peckham.
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post #93 of 840
8/16/09 at 12:23am
It's an old article but I was most amused by this piece on the English and their national anger issues

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article584314.ece
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post #94 of 840
8/16/09 at 3:02pm
Nice link, Spike. It could've done with a wee trim from Gill, but there's a lot of good stuff in there.
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post #95 of 840
8/16/09 at 3:19pm
It is a little over-long but it raises some interesting ideas about the nature of the anglophobia you can find in a lot of quarters. As an Englishman it's easy to feel marginalised at the moment, we're the least popular nation of the British Isles, we have no real national thrust and we've got thirty nations actively waiting for our fall. We're the old master gone to pot and all the servants are waiting for us to finally hang ourselves and get it over with.

That article is interesting because it sets up the usual anti-Englishness but it explores a side of the English you don't often hear about. Not the usual cliches about politeness and arrogance, but an exploration of where those cliches could come from.
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post #96 of 840
8/20/09 at 6:23am
Thread Starter 
My family tree is far from English, we have french, Romanian, African and Irish and all within the last 3 generations. But I like to think of myself as English.

I like the whole, summer afternoons in the garden with a pot of tea and scones aspects of this country. I love long walks through some amazing countryside (people really forget just how pretty this little island is). I love going to the pub and pub quzzies and I even love our creaking NHS.

To me those are the things that make England great and that's our identity.

And thus, I have become middle class - save me from buying the Guardian and complaining about the weather please someone.
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post #97 of 840
8/20/09 at 8:12am
Its funny, I can find a lot to agree with in that article. Where I'm from there is quite a sizeable anti-English sentiment, mostly the Government really but a lot of it is also to do with how we think other English people see us. There is a famous banner displayed at Anfield that says, "We're not English, we're Scouse".

I like some aspects of this but it also seems very insular and reductive, I'm not as feverish in my anti-England hate as lot of people I know.

For instance, I'm a massive football fan but I don't like the England football team at all, if they stopped playing tomorrow I'd be made up. I hate the media circus that comes around at every international tournament and most of the fans seem like booing, patio chair throwing arseholes. I suppose not being patriotic in the least has a lot to do with it and the general dislike for the Daily Mail reading masses who seem obsessed with "reclaiming the English flag" or some other thinly disguised racist idea.


And Ken, The Guardian is a great newspaper!
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post #98 of 840
8/20/09 at 8:29am
Thread Starter 
I know, it's one of the best. But I couldn't bring myself to even suggest I would ever read the Daily Mail
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post #99 of 840
8/20/09 at 8:42am
My grandmother was French and my grandfather Irish and yet I'm probably about as English as you get. I think Englishness isn't genetic, it's a state of mind and a state of being. Considering the amount of immigration, conquering, and ethnic cleansing in these isles I'd be surprised to find any ethnic-English. We're a mongrel race of Norwegians and Germans and I think that's where the reporter is coming from.

A few years ago I would never have dared associate myself with nationalism or patriotism, but as I get older I find myself becoming more and more proud of my English roots and more intolerant of people who would attempt to ridicule or destroy my country.
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post #100 of 840
8/20/09 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by Rusty Oysterburger View Post
"We're not English, we're Scouse"
Speaking as someone who lives with a Scouser, it is exactly this kind of proclamation that many people hate about Scousers. Its the same thing I hate about many Mancunians, my ex included - his really shoddy defiance that shines a light on how defensive you are about your heritage.

Imagine the same thing in Birmingham. It would and should be laughable.

I think any kind of patriotism that draws a line between you and others based simply on where you were born or live is pathetic. Its one thing to love England, its entirely another to love being English above all others (same goes for America).
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