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post #1 of 83
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This is basically a response to Gabe's thread. I'm wondering what movies you guys went into with great expectations and then... left with them utterly crushed. I'll go first, in no particular order.

10) The Godfather: Part III. I have a feeling I'm not alone on this one. If you renamed the characters and divorced the story from the series it is jammed into, I think it would make a decent crime drama. However, any film that is openly inviting comparisons to the other Godfather films is setting up a monumental task for itself and this... doesn't rise to the occasion.

9) Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. This is one film I made the great mistake of letting the hype get to me. The promotional materials made this look fantastic, a lot of film sites were hailing this as a Second Coming type event--one reviewer used a phrase like "the filmmakers out-Lucas George Lucas"--and then there was the promise of a digitally resurrected Olivier. Then I bought my ticket, sat in my seat, and was bored to the point that I didn't have the will to walk out of the showing.

8) Intolerable Cruelty. I had grown up with the Coens--my parents introduced us to them by taking us to a drive-in showing of Raising Arizona--and they never disappointed me. Their track record with Clooney at this point was pretty good. The Hudsucker Proxy had shown they knew exactly how to handle screwball comedy. To this day, I consider The Big Lebowski to be one of the best American comedies made in the talkie era. What could go wrong? Apparently, a lot could go wrong and did. (The line that bugged me the most was Clooney's reading of "demonstrable infidelity." The way he stresses "demonstrable" always gave me the impression he didn't know the definition of the word.)

7) The Matrix Revolutions. To me, this film is disappointing in the exact same way Return of the Jedi is disappointing. There are just enough good things there to show you what could have been had more care been taken in crafting the story, which kind of multiplies the sense of disappointment. Not only does the film not live up to the expectations instilled by the previous installments but it doesn't live up to the expectations that the film itself sets up.

6) Hulk. The Hulk had always been one of my favorite Marvel characters and I had grown up a Marvel kid. I loved Ang Lee's other work and Greek tragedy and Ang Lee had stated he was aiming to make a Greek tragedy centered around the Hulk. And the setting was in the Bay Area! Up to this point, every single fucking Marvel movie had been based in New York and San Francisco only seemed to show up in movies starring Ashley Judd. And--of course--Bruce Banner was working at my school in the film. The film, for me, only works consistently through about the beginning of act II. And now, of course, the reboot is in New York.

5) War of the Worlds. Minority Report had led me to put a lot of stock into a Cruise/Spielberg team-up. The ads had Morgan Freeman delivering the opening paragraph of the book verbatim. The ending of MR and AI led me to believe that Spielberg had overcome his tendency to sugarcoat things. Then everything in act III happened. (Weirdly, everything I thought this should have been was pretty much what The Mist was... and it didn't do exceedingly great business.)

4) Return of the Jedi. Like the Matrix installment on this list, ROTJ disappoints me because it basically has the beginning and ending sequence of a great film. It just fucks everything in the middle up.

3) The Ladykillers. I didn't think the Coens could fuck up twice in a row and Miller's Crossing, O Brother, and The Big Lebowski showed they could take someone else's material and run with it long before NCFOM came out. It also had Hanks and JK Simmons in it. What I didn't pay attention to--and I really should have--is it also had Marlon Wayans in it. That should have been the herald of a bad comedy right there.

2) Fantasia 2000. In my mind, Fantasia is both the greatest educational film for children ever devised and the best unintentional drug film of all time. So, I had great hopes that Roy Disney--who personally oversaw this film and introduces the freaking thing--would do Walt proud and produce a worthy companion piece. Instead, we got the TRL version of Fantasia. Instead of an academic doing the interstitials, we got celebrities. While the orchestra itself is nothing to complain about, it, unlike its predecessor, is pretty much wholly divorced from the visual aspect of the experience. And fucking Steve Martin... that guy.

1) Robocop 2. I was hoping for something at least marginally similar to the first film. What I got was a movie with the violence and production values dialed way up and the wit dialed way down.
post #2 of 83
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What I didn't pay attention to--and I really should have--is it also had Marlon Wayans in it. That should have been the herald of a bad comedy right there.
I'm actually convinced they intentionally cast him to ward off anybody going into Ladykillers expecting to see a good movie. Worked that way for me, at any rate.
post #3 of 83
Red Dragon. I had no illusions about it being Manhunter good, but it had a helluva cast (Norton, Hopkins, PS Hoffman, Keitel, Feinnes) and looked like intelligent, big-screen product that would at least be good for some studio style entertainment. Boring and stupid, one of the most depressing experiences of my adult cinema-going life and the moment I realised Ratner couldn't really do anymore than point and shoot.

Episode III. I realise how dangerous it is to even mention Star Wars on the internet, but there simply was no way this could fail, even after I'd been burned by the first two (though I still like more or Episode II than either of the other prequels). Turns out, there were plenty of ways. I've never seen a fight as prolonged as the final sabre battle, yet so devoid of tension, danger or excitement. As for some of the plot machinations...ugh. Its kind of like Aliens Vs Predator - how do you fuck that up?
post #4 of 83
Wolf - Mike Nichols directs Jack Nicholson and Michelle Pfeiffer in a werewolf movie with makeup by Rick Baker? I was so psyched for this in 1994. Not funny enough to be a comedy, not serious enough to be a horror film. The movie never really gels.
post #5 of 83
Ultraviolet - I don't know why I was so amped to see it, but the promise of a new Kurt Wimmer movie starring action hottie Milla Jovovich as a bad ass vampire taking down the man sounded fan-fucking-tastic on paper and from the especially cool trailer.

And then I saw it. And my world has never been the same again.

Same thing with Sky Captain, though I was frequenting AICN those days and Harry was all but fellating the director and declaring this the second god damn coming.
post #6 of 83
Black Sabbath
They Might Be Giants
The Replacements
My Bloody Valentine
White Zombie

You'd think they'd rock based on the titles, but little rocking is to be had. In fact, I don't remember a single concert shot from any of them.
post #7 of 83
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Black Sabbath
They Might Be Giants
The Replacements
My Bloody Valentine
White Zombie

You'd think they'd rock based on the titles, but little rocking is to be had. In fact, I don't remember a single concert shot from any of them.
Thread over.
post #8 of 83
Fantasia 2000 is worth it for the "Rhapsody in Blue" segment alone. Say what you want about the host segments, but the musical segments are magnificent.
post #9 of 83
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Black Sabbath
They Might Be Giants
The Replacements
My Bloody Valentine
White Zombie

You'd think they'd rock based on the titles, but little rocking is to be had. In fact, I don't remember a single concert shot from any of them.
I'm so slooooooww. I was about to complain about this one, then I actually read the bottom part.

2000 was a bad year for me between The Cell, M:I:II, and Gone in 60 Seconds. And for the record I actually love Jedi, Hulk, WotW, and Sith. Maybe I should start a thread about how fucked up my taste in big budget Sci-Fi and Fantasy is.
post #10 of 83
Aah, The Cell...I convinced myself into liking that one. Then I saw it again and again and again and now I can't stand it beyond some amazing imagery.
post #11 of 83
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Aah, The Cell...I convinced myself into liking that one. Then I saw it again and again and again and now I can't stand it beyond some amazing imagery.
Really the first trip is still pretty good, but the rest of the film just didn't work for me.
post #12 of 83
The one moment that always stood out for me as being awesome was this one shot, relatively quick with...I think J Lo floating down some Lovecraftian dungeon that looked like that library sunk beneath the desert. I was just in awe of that as I have this odd affinity for ridiculously large ancient places that seem like they could not exist.
post #13 of 83
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Same thing with Sky Captain, though I was frequenting AICN those days and Harry was all but fellating the director and declaring this the second god damn coming.
I somewhat remember those days, you thought the the director of the film gave Knowles the greatest head known to man.
post #14 of 83
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Fantasia 2000 is worth it for the "Rhapsody in Blue" segment alone. Say what you want about the host segments, but the musical segments are magnificent.
Without the interstitials, the Fantasia project is--to a kid or the uninitiated--just pretty pictures and sounds. By messing up everything in between the segments, they pretty much missed the entire point of the exercise. The point of the exercise is to create a film that marries state-of-the-art animation with great music in order to get kids to like and familiarize themselves with great music. Example: When I ask my four-year-old niece what her favorite part of Fantasia is, she replies "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor." When I ask her what her favorite part of Fantasia 2000 is, she identifies the visual representation rather than the music. To me, that's a failure of the project.

I'll also throw in with the hate for The Cell. Good premise, really poor execution. (Wolf... I don't know. Any film that allows Jack Nicholson to literally piss on his costars is sort of hard to hate.)
post #15 of 83
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And for the record I actually love Jedi, Hulk, WotW, and Sith. Maybe I should start a thread about how fucked up my taste in big budget Sci-Fi and Fantasy is.
Jedi is just not that bad. Everyone complains about the Ewok thing and yeah it's not as exciting of a middle act as Yoda and Luke on Dagobah but it's still not offensively bad.

War of the Worlds is like I Am Legend to me: derailed by a horrifically bad third act. But the first two thirds are fantastic no matter what.

Fuck Hulk.

Revenge of the Sith has its awful moments but Lucas gets a lot right too I think.
post #16 of 83
The Mist and Superbad.

Usually "Chud-Love" guarantees a good time.

Not here.
post #17 of 83
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2) Fantasia 2000. In my mind, Fantasia is both the greatest educational film for children ever devised and the best unintentional drug film of all time. So, I had great hopes that Roy Disney--who personally oversaw this film and introduces the freaking thing--would do Walt proud and produce a worthy companion piece. Instead, we got the TRL version of Fantasia. Instead of an academic doing the interstitials, we got celebrities. While the orchestra itself is nothing to complain about, it, unlike its predecessor, is pretty much wholly divorced from the visual aspect of the experience.
If for no other reason than it gave us the Al Hirschfeld-inspired Rhapsody in Blue - THAT was fucking awesome.

I also recall liking The Firebird Suite, even though it seemed a tad too "Night on Bald Mountian II"-ish. Of course, The Firebird Suite is one of my favorite pieces.

I agree that "The Pines of Rome" has little to do with what the piece was actually written about, but it WAS visually stunning.

I thought it was a solid successor; considering that the first was (IIRC) an umitigated commercial failure upon release, getting a 2nd one at any point was a treat. Sure it has its flaws but overall I thought it was a worthy effort.

EDIT - no response necessary, saw your reply to Dickson. Perhaps its due to the fact that (to me, at least) the selections in 2000 were as a whole, a bit less familiar?
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Wolf - Mike Nichols directs Jack Nicholson and Michelle Pfeiffer in a werewolf movie with makeup by Rick Baker? I was so psyched for this in 1994. Not funny enough to be a comedy, not serious enough to be a horror film. The movie never really gels.
The original novella is more of a metaphor, anyways. Hollywood doesn't seem to "get" Jim Harrison, for the most part. Legends of the Fall was as close as they got but they went epic, which isn't the point.
post #19 of 83
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The Mist and Superbad.

Usually "Chud-Love" guarantees a good time.

Not here.

I agree.
I dislike both of those films a great deal.

One was about as good as American Pie,
the other was about as good as The Stand mini-series.
post #20 of 83
I loved The Mist but put me in on Superbad. Everyone I know loves that film. I was more of a Knocked Up fan and the only thing I didn't care for it that film was Jonah Hill so it's easy to see why a film where he's the star wouldn't be a big seller for me. Superbad ended up being alright, given that Hill wasn't the angry whiny character he was in Knocked Up but I still didn't enjoy it the way that apparently, the rest of America did.

I'll be back in a few with my list.
post #21 of 83
Return of the Jedi was my favourite Star Wars movie as a kid. Now that I'm older I realise that it really sucks.
Fucking ewoks.
post #22 of 83
I gotta know....whats do you guys see wrong with The Mist? To me, its the best horror film of the decade, and by far the best Stephen King adaptation. But I may be bias cuz it jives with my "Having little faith in humanity" personality.
post #23 of 83
I swear to give The Mist another go someday. At least to see the B&W version, when the two-disc drops in price. Maybe it will click with me then.
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I swear to give The Mist another go someday. At least to see the B&W version, when the two-disc drops in price. Maybe it will click with me then.
The B&W version is awesome, but I'm sure you've already heard that. I gave in and paid the $24.99 at Best Buy, gotta say it was worth it though. Only thing that sucks is the B&W doesn't have 5.1. But I guess that kinda adds to the 50's vibe....
post #25 of 83
I spent my teen years as a massive fan of the first Highlander film then spent 18 months giddy as a schoolgirl waiting for the sequel to come out...

I was beside myself in anticpation of The Phantom Menace...

I was a huge fan ob Arthurian Legend and Sean Connery so I was pretty amped when First Knight was released...

As a lifelong Trainspotting addict I remember being at the first session opening day to see A Life Less Ordinary...


...all of these moments I wish were lost like tears in rain - instead they're a collection of scars on my cinephile subconscious.

There's quite a few more, but y'all see where I'm going here.
post #26 of 83
Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Although I now think that it's been greatly redeemed by Wise's director's cut, I was one crushed 15 year old Trekkie when that thing hit. Actually, not at first. I spent about a week thinking it was great. Then the nerdy high wore off, and reality asserted itself.

I really do like the director's cut, though.

And I want to voice support for those of you attacking Return of the Jedi. It really is that bad, and not just because of the Ewoks. It's a film in which nothing of consequence happens until the last act. That's bad.
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...all of these moments I wish were lost like tears in rain - instead they're a collection of scars on my cinephile subconscious.
Fantastic choice of words.
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I gotta know....whats do you guys see wrong with The Mist? To me, its the best horror film of the decade, and by far the best Stephen King adaptation. But I may be bias cuz it jives with my "Having little faith in humanity" personality.
The best horror film of the decade is Inside.



I didn't like The Mist because it was talky, overlong, hamfisted, filled with unlikable characters, bad effects and whilst I thought elements of the last 10 minutes were pretty cool (the creatures), Thomas Jane's acting during the end scene made me cackle out loud, flip off the screen and walk out of the theater scoffing at the joke of a movie I had sat through.

But mostly: It wasn't scary, it wasn't gory.
post #29 of 83
X3 - The trailers got me hook lined and sinker. I wanted this one to be good with political subtext, sentinels, Cyke with his nuts out of Wolvie's hands and Storm finally showing leadership ability then maybe add hints of Jean's return for a fourth.

Superman Returns - Never saw Quest For Peace but hopefully it had more action than this I really wanted to like this but nothing happened

Cradle 2 The Grave
- Awesome cast and crew but no story and little action, bust

Major League 2 - A domesticated Wild Thing and no more fucks, no good

Ocean's 13 - I guess the success, or lack thereof, of 12 scared them too much pity this could have been one of the best caper series ever made
post #30 of 83
You assumed Cradle 2 the Grave and Major League 2 would rock?
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You assumed Cradle 2 the Grave and Major League 2 would rock?
For ML2 I was a kid and didn't know about watering down for a nicer rating. As for Cradle, Romeo Must Die was one of my all time favorite guilty pleasures so seeing the group back together brought my hopes up a bit.
post #32 of 83
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The B&W version is awesome, but I'm sure you've already heard that. I gave in and paid the $24.99 at Best Buy, gotta say it was worth it though. Only thing that sucks is the B&W doesn't have 5.1. But I guess that kinda adds to the 50's vibe....
What I can't believe is that, while the movie wasn't lit or shot for B&W, it actually is a superior visual experience in B&W. The entire first act is just beautiful and the monsters look much better than they did in color.
post #33 of 83
The most obvious choice to me is the Burton Planet of the Apes. I went into that with no idea how bad it was going to get. Pirates 3 was very disappointing, because I actually thought 2 was an improvement on 1. And even as a child, I knew Ghostbusters 2 was a massive decline in quality. Spider-man 3 was not disappointing, exactly, because I personally never really connected with that franchise, but I was surprised at how badly they dropped the ball. Even though I'm not a huge fan, there was an undeniable base level of competance to the first two. You could take them somewhat seriously as actual story-telling. 3 was fucking dreadful, and I can't believe it was the same production team. And of course, who can forget how much we all thought K-Pax would annihilate our understanding of what kickass meant.

Sky Captain is a great call. Blame the Knowles on that one. Superman Returns as well, come to think of it.
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X3 - The trailers got me hook lined and sinker. I wanted this one to be good with political subtext, sentinels, Cyke with his nuts out of Wolvie's hands and Storm finally showing leadership ability then maybe add hints of Jean's return for a fourth.
You watched the ending of X2 with the Phoenix appearing in the water and thought it would be another movie before that was addressed?
post #35 of 83
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I was a huge fan ob Arthurian Legend and Sean Connery so I was pretty amped when First Knight was released...

As a lifelong Trainspotting addict I remember being at the first session opening day to see A Life Less Ordinary...
See, you should have listened to Sick Boy's thesis on "you have it then you lose it" using Connery as an example.
post #36 of 83
Jurassic Park: The Lost World.

A.I.

The Score

Road to Perdition

Land of the Dead

V for Vendetta

Miami Vice

But a few of the movies I was anticipating the release of that wound up being pieces of garbage.
post #37 of 83
I was very upset with the quality of The Neverending Story 2 when I was 12 years old.
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I was very upset with the quality of The Neverending Story 2 when I was 12 years old.
I'm with you on that. The only thing I even remember about watching that movie is being dissapointed by all the douchebag fill-in actors for each character.
post #39 of 83
Even at 8, I thought Bastion was being a fucktard in Neverending Story II.
post #40 of 83
A fucktard that went and Offed Himself after SEAQUEST's glorious run.
post #41 of 83
Can't think of ten off the top of my head so I'll just say THE FIFTH ELEMENT and maybe add more later.
post #42 of 83
Count me in on Neverending Story 2. I travelled out of my way to catch that one in theatres. Really, the title should have been a tip-off.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. So near and yet so far.

I immediately tempered my hopes for Jedi when I saw the first advance photos in Newsweek. Another Death Star?

As for Sky Captain, I knew going in that even if it succeeded it would have limited appeal. I must have been the only person in the theatre who'd even heard of the Fleischer's Superman cartoons or the Spy Smasher serial. I still wasn't expecting the second act to be so lifeless.
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Can't think of ten off the top of my head so I'll just say THE FIFTH ELEMENT and maybe add more later.
Oh yes. And yet, I have friends who still haven't managed to see that movie for what it is.
post #44 of 83
Ohh man, Hitchhiker's...there's one I've tried to forget. I remember going 'Oh man! Episode III and one of my favorite books/BBC radio and mini-series coming out? With Alan Rickman and Bill Nighy? Sign me the fuck up.'

And then...silence. I didn't laugh once and I hated the whole 'hey, let's kinda sort set up a sequel with that bullshit John Malkovich subplot'. Leaden would be the best word to describe it.
post #45 of 83
1. Sky Capitan - Giant Robots, Angelina Jolie in a tight costume. This should have been great.

2. Star Trek Generations - In my mind this was an entirely different film and is way better. Seriously all you had to do was have crews meet rather than just Picard and Kirk chatting in a kitchen.

3. Attack of the Clones. I liked Phantom menace and still had high hopes the second one would be fantastic. Instead I got the most unbelievable love story on film and the Young Bobba Fett adventures.

4. Alien VS Predator - This one needs no explanation

5. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (The original). I'd had this film built up for me as one of the best horror movies ever made. I really hated it and laughed in places I shouldn't. (This one is going to get me lynched.)

6. King Kong (Peter Jackson). The man who did such a good job with Lord of the Rings made me fall asleep through what should have been a great movie. Too much time on the island dude!

7. Evolution - The team that gave me Ghostbusters, made me realise they couldn't do it twice. Even Duchovney's performance in this wasn't enough to save it.

8. Men in Black II. Smith and Jones spent far too much time trying to out do each other.

9. The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - I count them as one. But even together they just plain suck. Pop psychology and semi religious overtones do not a good movie make.

10. A Night at the Museum. A great cast including two screen legends (Dick Van Dyke and Mickey Rooney), a great premise and yet they managed to some how make it mediocre. Less monkey Jokes and less Ben Stiller might have saved it
post #46 of 83
Lots of you should be listing Rob Zombie's Halloween.
post #47 of 83
Night of 1,000 Corpses, you mean.
I'm pretty sure a lot of folks realized from the start the folly of remaking Halloween.
post #48 of 83
I can't figure out if Phil is being sarcastic or not.
post #49 of 83
I think Zombie's Halloween belongs on the list of 10 Movies You Knew Would Suck, But Didn't Expect It To Suck THAT BAD.
post #50 of 83
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What's really sad about that remake is Malcom McDowell's outtakes are the only actually entertaining parts of the film. They could have saved a lot of time and effort by buying that dude a kilo of coke, sitting him in front of a camera, and splicing the resulting footage together with stock footage of strippers and hillbillies and selections from the original for most of the last half of the film.
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