Ron Paul

You shouldnt vote for him because.....

- He follows the constitution
- He cares to much about our liberty
- He seemed to scream all over the place about the economy in 2003 (clearly a crazy person)
- Would not police the world and cause needless war
- He seems to honest so he must be the antichrist


Your right no intelligent person would vote for this crazy scumbag

- He's nuts

Constitution should be capitalized, to should be too (in both instances), and your should be you're.

And yes, no intelligent person would vote for this crazy, racist scumbag.

Oh, and Scott:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...ers/index.html

Haha, YES.
Haha, YES.
Haha, YES.

In conclusion: No. This guy's a Republican hidden under a thin blanket of Libertarian bullshit.

I do not trust the thinking of a man who wants to sell off your national parks and eradicate all gun laws. Too much ideology, not enough thinking. While watching the US turn libertarian would be interesting, it wouldn't be good.

And, he's a Republican. That should be a big fat red flag right there.

the ONLY good thing about Ron Paul and why I am voting for him ...

He is a different type of political fodder which won't win ...

No other politicians come close to what I want to see in the White House ...

Ron Paul was awesome in the Republican debates and his willingness to say all the things the corporate media has censored about the Iraq war and the alleged "war on terr'r" on national television is nothing short of courageous and admirable. And I really do hope he shaves some voters like you out of John McCain's camp.

That said, Slanted Facts, the guy quoted in your sig is one of the people at whose feet we can lay the world economic crisis we're enjoying right now. Friedman's free market philosophy and the libertarian ideal of unfettered business is a recipe for disaster and anti-democratic in the extreme. It's a good way to shore up the power of a ruling class while siphoning any possible wealth from the other 99% of the population. It's as idealized a philosophy as communism, sound on paper but utterly corrupt when put into action.

Ron Paul is sensible in a lot of ways, and I do admire what he did during the debates - that is unimpeachable - but he and his ilk tend to forget this part of the Consistution stated in the preamble to: "ensure domestic tranquility ... promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty ..." It's there, and removing that aspect of our Constitution betrays the intentions of the Founders. You can't gut social services. It's our "commons" and it benefits all of us. The greedheads in the Republican party have spent the past 30 years transferring wealth from the many to the 1/10th of 1% at the top, and that is having disastrous results now and will have cataclysmic results in the near future.

PERSONALLY: if Anarchy were an actual option
instead of having to vote Liberal McCain or Socialist Clinton/Obama

I would prefer anarchy!

I am sick of the sold out politician and the destruction of the old meaning of how America was structured to preserve a "REPUBLIC"

This country started going down the drain when NON property owners had gained the right to vote.

They had NO stake in the country and still had the right to decide what those who invested into this country could or could not do ...

I'm amused by the fact that you think you would be able to vote in an anarchist society. Anarchy means that there is no government and, hence, no voting.

In other words, people who aren't like me shouldn't be able to vote.

Former slaves? Women? Fuck 'em, they don't own property.

Social darwinism at its finest, folks.

Wow......

Even though you're wrong, it takes balls (and an overwhelming elitist quality) to say that.

It astonishes me that people are still somehow convinced that the best way to reverse all the damage that Republicans have done to this country is to vote for another Republican. I appreciate the fact that Paul was against the war -- anyone who knows how to read or think should have been -- but Paul is just a kook who thinks that corporations deserve basic human rights, and all this talk about "freedom" is, as it's always been for anyone on the Right, another way of trying to bamboozle voters into believing deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy and the outsourcing of our jobs is what makes this country great.

If it came down to choosing between McCain and Paul, I'd take Paul anyday.

Just because it would be so damn entertaining.

It's not a politician's job to entertain you. Besides, McCain has already proven he can't sing with his awful rendition of "Bomb, Bomb Iran."

You want entertainment, go to the movies. You want a better country, stop voting Republican.

REALLY ... gee and you thought I said I would VOTE for anarchy?

You see it as Social Darwinism??

Get it correct ... It is called Liberal Defeatism ...

Been told so MANY TIMES that you can't - that you quit!

So now you hate those who are accused of holding you down ...
because you didn't try hard enough to help yourself.

the spelling is NOT ....

JUST US ---- it is JUSTICE
Trying doing more for YOURSELF and see that EVEN YOU can buy a home if that is what you really want ...

God damn man, I was joking. I'm a registered democrat, voting for Obama.

And I see SlantedFacts is living up to his name...

Holy SHIT. We've got someone who's not just crazier than Isildur's Bangs, but like...SIGNIFICANTLY crazier. I'm just fucking thrilled at the very prospect.

Thank Christ.

I think SlantedFacts needs to watch The Wire, or read Studs Terkels 'Race,' or something....people still think this way? Not much has changed in the past 1500 years

No - not elitist ...

it is called a REALIST ....

ever be extremely POOR? I was 12 years ago ...
I was homeless from 1973 until 12 years ago ...

I set my sights on doing good and now ... I am better off that 1/2 the people who post here ...

just under 100 grand household income and I only got a GED with a ninth grade education

hey - I'm just someone who learned that

the normal system on the left is sucking the life out of the economy and those who make it grow ...
and
the normal system on the right is sucking the life out of the people who are conned by the Liberal left about how they can't (so they won't) do for themselves ...

It's ALL a bunch of crap ... every damn bit of it!

... but nearly $80.00 a tank in this toy doesn't worry me too much ...



I drive it so much I have gotten sunburned ...

Someone's apparently unfamiliar with Obama's "Yes, we can!" campaign slogan and Hillary's refusal to drop out of the race despite there being no mathematical possibility of her winning the nomination.

That about tells us all we need to know about you.

Well, I do agree with you that BOTH sides are, for the most part, completely in the wrong and almost never do whats right for the vast majority of the population. This is nothing new in our country, and is one of the reasons why I'm so against the two party system.

I'm wondering what good you've devoted your life to, though. Seriously, I'm interested in this kind of thing. I'm currently in College studying Sociology and spend much of my time volunteering at soup kitchens and various other functions in Trenton.

I got money down this this is Copperlocke's boyfriend. Anyone want to take that bet?

Hmm... what's that on the back?


I still can't read it too well...


Ah, there it is. The backwards "u" is a nice touch.

Theres a kid in my College who is a die-hard Ron Paul supporter. I kinda feel bad for him cause he may be retarded, I'm not sure. But he walks around hanging up those stupid "Who is Ron Paul?" posters. They inevitably get ripped down, but its kind of sad to see the kid put so much effort into something thats just doomed to fail....

Seriously? my name is in this weeks local paper for being a volunteer in a local park.
I swear on my mothers grave ... my wife saw it in the news and told me!

I like helping out with wildlife (did an Great Blue Heron Rescue about a year and a half ago for medical rehab - he almost lost 1/2 his foot because of fishing line was cutting it) - I also am the coordinator for the towns car show and other classic car venues.

I also am involved with fish rescues and just accepted a 4 plus foot long corn snake that needed a home.

(check out a Midas I gave a home to because he got too big for the previous owner - BUBBA the Puddle Puppy )

Let me toss a little food for thought ...

Look at the time frame for serving food to the homeless ...

What time do construction workers usually get home from work?

Do the 2 schedules work together?

in most places - if a person tries to work enough - they can go hungry.

Now - in about 1984 in Hackensack (near Fort Lee) there was an organisation called something like incap, njcap, or some kind of cap ...
they used to pay for a week in the Howard Johnson's in Ridgefield Park with 3 meals a day food vouchers ...

Actually, most of the people I encounter at the soup kitchen are working poor (just like in The Wire). Most of them have steady jobs (low end security positions, construction workers, etc.). Now, their not there EVERY DAY, just a few days a week to help them get by til the next paycheck.

This kind of thing is probably common everywhere, but its magnified in Mercer County, which has the highest average income in any county in NJ, but we really don't have that many jobs. Most people commute to other counties to work. The city of Trenton has dried up, outside of the political area (which, of course, is well kept). There's few jobs to be had. And since most people who live in the city rely on public transportation, since they can't afford a car and even if they could they can't afford the ridiculous insurance prices, they can't commute to better jobs. Its a difficult situation, one in which there is no easy answer.

I don't think any politician can do anything to fix it.

That fish is HUGE!

Anyway, I'm glad you got to make it out of poverty to relative success. But you must feel you are one of the lucky ones? And, if you don't mind me asking, were you raised in poverty, or did you choose to live that lifestyle?

To be fair, the racist comments were condemned by Paul in that article and he claims to have never written them, nor if he aware of where they came from. I'm never going to support someone who wants to pull the floor out from under civilization, but he has always struck me as an honest man.

IMO, the reason you shouldn't vote for Ron Paul is because an isolationist strategy in a globalized world is civil suicide, and as mentioned before, Paul seems more interested in ideology than practical policy.

WOW ... on the chrome trim - that's gonna be hard to replace!

Thinking the exact same thing.

We just found our Myers87 of the political world.

Ron Paul is not only nuts, he attracts the nutjobs, conservative AND liberal in many cases too.

... not trying to throw a stone here ... but

I have been in 48 states and one constant was that in the Dem/Lib states - housing was way over priced, people were taxed to death, and social Unions were crying the blues...


He is even bigger now!

Honestly; I don't feel "LUCKY" ...

It is part of a way of thinking that got me out of there.

I was lucky and had a few pretty good pointers given to me:

These are the pointers ...

1. if you buy a small box of nails (at the cost of a cup of coffee and a coffee shop) and find someone who needs some boards tightened on their stairs. That makes you $20.00 from a $2.00 box of nails.
2. Take $15.00 from that $20.00 buy a bucket of paint and paint someones trim on their porch and make $75.00.
3. Take $65.00 buy a used lawn mower, gas can, and some fuel. Cut 8 lawns at $25.00 a hit ($200.00) and buy a good cheap weed eater.
4. Cut 8 more lawns and weed eat at $30.00 a pop ($240.00) now get a gas hedge trimmer and expand into hedges for more $$ ...
5. Every time you make $1.00 - put 20-cents into the first bank of Folgers - leave it alone - just keep adding and hump tail.
6. When you are ready to quit after 8 hours - go another 4 hours.
7. Then - buy a broken table - fix it with your left over nails & paint when it is too dark to cut lawns - and sell it for a small profit - doesn't matter if it was ONLY $5.00 profit - that is $5.00 that you didn't have before (and not earned for a cold one).
8. Once you get yourself heading it that direction - find a mate and help her focus on doing similar process - 2 people can eat on less cash if they combine the cost of food and share the expense. If one bought oatmeal and honey and one bought milk - then both eat a hot breakfast all week on under $10.00 (less than $5.00 per person).

It's simple and friends of Bill W. have the answer ...

1. KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid
2. You can't get out of the mess if you don't take the steps
3. One day At A Time

Well - I am from a F***ed up situation. It's NOT cut & dry.

1 - My father was a GM factory worker in western NY ...
2 - my mother was killed when I was about 3 years old ...
3 - I had a step mother who hated me from day one and beat me nearly every day of about 10 years ...
4 - father got remarried several months after divorce (I was in the way)

You say you would prefer ANARCHY to anyone on the potential 08 ticket?

Can you, hear and now, guarantee us that, come November 08, you will be moving to Iraq?

If you say some crazy shit like that, you had better be crazy enough to back it up. Fuck man, I'm sure we can pass the hat around here at CHUD and get you the airfare if you need it. Have the courage of your convictions!

That Milton Friedman quote is really good, actually.

go back to sleep kid - you really don't pay attention - do you?

I am a Conservative

I do not need HAND OUTS and
when it comes down to CRAZY enough - I'm not crazy (way too smart for it)

If I were crazy - life would be so much easier ...
BUT it would cost me my right to keep all the fire arms I own - I'll pass!



If I had too - I know enough to scam a disability check - but for what?

They don't pay enough!

Thanks! I have seen enough to know that a lot of these help the poor organisation REALLY need to learn this way of thinking.

I never thought about the word Justice like that before. Damn, Slanted, you cut deep.

It is an option, you fucking asshat. Go somewhere where the government is not a effective option.

You don't want a handout, you just want to abuse whatever government service is at hand without having to pay for it. Who the fuck do you think pays for the roads upon which you drive that nice shiny car? However 'poor' you may have been, who was paying for the public school you attended? And if you were, in fact, poor, who the fuck paid for the groceries your family ate, the place in which you lived? Did you arrange all this through your own gutsy ingenuity?

As someone who has actually been through this same experience (drugs will destroy a family faster than anything else going), I can say with some certainty that if it were not for 'government handouts' affording me a decent opportunity at an education, I would already be far gone. If you can manage all this without the assistance of a tax-payer funded government, then by all means, move to Iraq and do some fucking good, in a land where the government has no sway, you insane ideologue fuck.

Oh, I can't wait to see where this is going.

Just a personal gripe: Can we stop the name calling because someone has a different opinion from yours? Because really, this country is fucked no matter what opinion you have.

Seriously. Zhukov's getting heated, and I'm sure SlantedFacts is cooking up all manner of colors, font sizes, and line breaks.

I'm still enjoying the bit about Hillary Clinton being a socialist, and McCain being a liberal. The whole McCain is a centrist (um, no) and Clinton's a liberal (oh FUCK no) BS is usually pretty amusing, but this is several steps beyond even that. I wish more actual socialists would run for office, just to repair our grossly distorted perspectives on the political spectrum. Fascists (by deed if not by name)... we got 'em by the caseload, Dems and Repubs alike. Socialists... ACTUAL SOCIALISTS... we got Bernie Sanders, and that is more or less it.

Some times the SHOCK FACTOR is the most effective.

If I can stun one person into understanding one iota of what I have perceived then maybe there is a touch of hope left.

I may be unschooled - but I have a fairly decent education

The one thing that is humoring me is that NO ONE seems to have noticed how long I have actually been a member here

the Neal Boortz website should have some stuff for you - http://boortz.com/

Oh no, not Neal Boortz.

BTW nice to see the Ron Paul thread take you out of the shadows, kind of proves my point.

Ron Paul brings the crazy.

ahh - you think? okay ... if you think so!

did you specifiy the degree of crazy you are personally boasting?

Well - on that note ... I got to get back to work on my web sites ...