Fuck PETA - Page 2

Just to be clear, I was joking around. I've learned a lot of interesting stuff in this thread, and I didn't think you were being superior. I just find airbrushed animal t-shirts hilarious.

Horses?

Nothing beats wolves on shirts.

Hmmm.... you might know everything there is to know about horses, missy, but I'm calling bullshit on this one.

That's right. Make sure as always to keep our eyes on the prize.

And Vader:



T-Shirt with Eagle beats t-shirt with wolf any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

An eagle shirt WITH N.O.T.W.?

That's too much to handle. Chests would implode upon wearing that garment.

Hey, I just googled and found that. As to what NOTW is? Ya got me.

It's Jesus clothing basically. WITH EXTREMENESS!!!

EXTREMENESS!!!? Jesus, how very 1998.

Wait, wait...there is only one thing that can beat an eagle: a t shirt with an eagle, a wolf AND a fucking bear.



From t-shirt central.

Edit: whoever can post a chimera on a t-shirt wins the internet.

Ok, you're right. I have one t-shirt with horses on it that I had in the back of my truck, and I put it on (along with scrub pants) after removing a retained placenta so that I wouldn't stain my fabric truck seat with blood, amnionic fluid, urine, manure, iodine, and lubricant which had soaked through my work shirt and bra. I wore it for the 30 minute drive home.

I'll take the internet in a plastic bag inside a paper bag, please.

Oh, well then...

How about PETA's workers getting off on charges of animal cruelty after they illegally euthanized dogs they had taken from the local shelter and a local veterinary hospital under the guise of finding them homes, then dumped the bodies in a grocery store dumpster. They were only found guilty of littering, after PETA's lawyers argued that the dead animals had no value.

Yeah, those are the folks I want to side with.

Excuse my while I continue to promote animal welfare and think that animal "rights" people are whack-jobs.

Fuck Chimera:



Griffin FTW!

Vader and Ed...clearly we have come to an impasse on which is the better shirt. I can think of only one way to settle this:

Thunderdome!

The internet shall be awaiting the winner.

Air superiority wins every time.

Shit, throw a basilisk in there and we've got ourselves some stony rumbling.

Yeah, I'm actually glad that you caught me on that way back when and put forth the idea of animal welfare versus animal rights. I wasn't really sure of the distinction and was just using terms that I've heard many times before without putting them in context.

Also you should change your usertitle to Horse, M.D. just for shitzngiggles.

Come on Hoodie, I dare ya I double dare ya.

Or are you scared to take on my Griffin and:





MINOTAUR!*


*And thus concludes my thread derailment.

And Jake is onto something, may I suggest a cute avatar consisting of a cartoon horse with a labcoat and one of those things circular metal things that doctor's used to wear

Derailment aside, the rights/welfare distinction is a good one to make. Keeping a suffering creature alive simply to keep it alive isn't the way to go. Now treating the animals with a little ounce of sympathy and compassion and knowing that, "shit, this horse can't stand, let alone move anymore maybe it's best if we end it now" is a far more, dare I say? Humane way of doing things.

Far better than one psycho I saw who was clamboring for "total animal liberation" and was calling for dogs to get drivers licenses and shit.

Gah, now I'm angry.

Dogs can't drive, let alone pay car insurance.

I'll stick with what I know, woodland creatures.

It is a critical distinction.

I am very pro-animal-welfare. I am very anti-animal-rights.

Welfare = humane treatment, consideration for the animal's comfort, needs (including mental/psychological), etc.

Rights, just like for people, would be giving animals things like fair trials, religious freedom, and the right to vote. I'm not sure how we do that.

Freedom from human intervention, while it sounds nice, isn't actually possible in a lot of ways.

Domestic animals would die without human intervention in most cases, as they aren't able to live in the wild.

Many wild animals would also die without human intervention, since we've rather screwed things up. Sure, if we evacuated an entire continent, eventually things would balance themselves back out again. As that's unlikely to happen, and we still have global warming, etc., it seems humans will be interacting with wild animals, too.

Certainly, in some instances, the interaction should be about limiting human's impact on wild habitat. However, in other cases, it's about using human influence to maintain the balance as best we can - like controlling non-native species, or providing the effects on the environment that we removed when we removed a native species (such as when we remove a predator, and then a prey species overpopulates, and we risk the prey species eating plants out of existance and out competing others, and having disease outbreaks, starvation...etc. etc.)

A holistic (holistic meaning to treat the whole, please note that holistic as a word has been coopted by the alternative medicine community) approach to ecology is the best approach.

If you don't mind, you're giving me false positives in my Google search results. Still, small world, huh!

Neither can cats, no matter how hard they try.

hehehe "Toonces el gato conductor" That cracked me up.

Now that's the position the nutbags at PETA should be using but like any cause the extreme ruins it for the rational people who genuinely believe in these things. Due to the fact you have nutbags out there who will commit physical violence against someone having a burger.

Horses and cars don't mix.

ETA: Unless you cut the car in half.

That reminds me of those people who want to immediately release every marine animal at parks like Sea World. Like a dolphin raised in a theme park its entire life is going to have a chance out in the wild.

There's a sufficient breeding population in captivity right now that I don't agree with capturing any more animals from the wild, but no matter how natural a habitat the animals are kept in, they're still domesticated to a degree. Expecting them to immediately be able to survive in the wild -- and assuming that's even what they'd want when it's something they've never known -- seems kind of foolish.

It's no different than the activists who want dogs, cats, horses, cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc. all "freed"... or the people who take their pet dog or cat (or horse) to the edge of town and release it, even though the result is for it to die slowly in the wild. Or, out here, the cats die pretty quickly from owls and coyotes. The dogs and horses are the ones that starve.

They think just because their cat kills a bird or lizard every now and then and drags it into the house that it would be just fine on its own out in the wild.

I always thought that was the cat's way of saying 'Hey, thanks for letting me stay in this awesome house with all this food I don't really have to work for, and for all the medical attention I get and for all the tops of stairs I can perch on thereby causing you great inconvenience. Thank you, human! For tribute, I bring you this bird that looked at me funny!'

Just remember: it was animal rights activists that released the Rage virus.

Yesterday I woke up to a house with no power and ambulance sirens far away.

Believe me that for a brief second I thought "Shit. It's happened. They're here."

But I discovered it was just my block and everything was ok though I was prepared to go into full "Zombie Holocaust" mode.

Belethedheliel, thanks for coming in here and talking some sense. While I'm not a horse person, for the better part of my wife's life, she was. Any time a tragic accident on the field happens like this, it isn't out of cruelty. For the most part, these horse people love horses more than humans.

Thank you. I never understood this - how you can love and feed and shelter a pet for years, and then turn them loose to see if they understand how the big wide world works is beyond me. My cat's only ever been outside in a cat carrier for trips to the vet - he wouldn't last two minutes out on his own, be it NYC or the forest. And it's not like he's exactly suffered for only ever living indoors - he's got vet care, a warm place to live, lots of food, toys, and an owner who loves him. His big complaint about his lifestyle is if I'm 10 minutes late with the chow. Oh, poor thing can't be completely free out in the fresh air? Too bad - he'd be dead in an hour if I let him taste the great outdoors.

Lisa, but they're imprisoned! Can't you see it's the oppressive humanarchy holding the animals down!?! They would clearly have evolved beyond the need for bodies if human beings weren't so damn envious of their power that people felt the need to lock up the little darlings as pets!

It's basically the equivalent of some dipshit teenager telling his/her parents that he/she doesn't need them anymore and discovering that 'Hey! My parents kept a roof over my head and gave me food...FOR FREE!'

Yeah yeah, blah blah blah. Listen, if he and the two dogs down the hall can learn how to sing "Instant Karma", they can hold a protest march out in the foyer for all I care.

Aaaaaaaaand sigged.

Aaaaaaand flattered!

Aaaaaaand glad I could be a part of the signature making process.

I'm sorry if things got a little heated yesterday that wasn't my intention. I was just trying to make the point that not all charities are the same.

Likewise you were trying to make the point that not all racehorse owners are the same.

We both clearly have very strong views and I won't think any less of you for yours and I hope you do the same.

Anyway I think we can all agree that animal print T shirts suck

Well... yeah. Not only do they suck, but they're generally sold at the kind of "gift shops" that have lamps made out of driftwood. And those are just all kinds of wrong.