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post #1 of 127
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Since the other thread got bombed, and I'm determined to keep it going...

The DOJ has approved the merger, and now we're waiting the idiots from the FCC. As usual, Congress is right on the pulse of things (from the WSJ Blog):

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It is hard to pinpoint an exact moment at which Congress reaches the pinnacle of grandstanding, but here is a good candidate: Thursday's comment from two House members about the benighted XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. (XMSR)-Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (SIRI) merger.
House Democrats John Dingell of Michigan and Edward Markey of Massachusetts earlier Thursday asked the Federal Communications Commission to require the two satellite radio companies to meet certain conditions if the agency plans to approve the $4.5 Billion deal. What conditions, you may ask, are called for after the Department of Justice already has approved the combination with no conditions? Well, in a letter today, according to our colleagues at Dow Jones Newswires, the Congressmen "urged the FCC to require the merged company to adhere to at least the pricing conditions that XM and Sirius have already publicly pledged to do."
Right. Thanks, Congress. And for this you get $165,000 each a year?
Luckily for Markey and Dingell, there was another, more interesting condition they asked for: to require the merged company to allow consumers to access satellite service through other radio devices. Right now, consumers have to buy special devices from the companies themselves to get satellite radio.
And who knows? It has been 14 months of dragging this deal around since the Feb. 19, 2007. XM and Sirius recently have taken to extending the merger deadline by two-week increments to keep hope alive. They may just be exhausted enough to agree to anything right now.
Let me get this straight...you'll give your "approval" if the companies allow consumers to receive satellite via other devices? Like maybe in-dash radios, or receivers that tie in directly to your existing car stereo, or maybe even an in-home option that is included with your receiver? Oh wait, they already have those. Idiots.
post #2 of 127
Jesse Jackson wanted 25% of the stations and millions a year for his blessing on the merger. In what sane world would that happen, let alone have someone asking for it.
post #3 of 127
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Jesse Jackson wanted 25% of the stations and millions a year for his blessing on the merger. In what sane world would that happen, let alone have someone asking for it.
I'd love to hear Jackson's reasons for why he feels he's owed these stations and money.

As stated before, it's incredibly sad how much more time has been spent on this merger over ones that actually involved something important...like oil.
post #4 of 127
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Man, I thought you were kidding about JJ, then I looked it up. What a fucking megalomaniac.

Oh, and another thing I've read (I can't find the source again) is that car manufacturers can't wait for the merger so they can stop aligning themselves with one or the other, and just put in radios that receive satellite radio, period. Not that it's a major part of why you'd buy a Honda over a Ford (because you wanted XM, not Sirius), but it's still a convenience for the car manufacturers and Surprise!--the consumer.
post #5 of 127
How Congress and the Govt in general are treating this merger just makes me so mad. I listened to an NPR Forum discussion on it a few weeks ago and the fear-mongering by one of the guests (a Democratic congressman) just irked me to no end. It amazes me that Congress and the Govt in general (GOP and Dems) have almost no understanding of current technology. They aren't looking at this particular deal rationally, but just the thought of a "monopoly" strikes fear in their luddite minds.
post #6 of 127
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...-XM-Sirius.php

Hell yes. The FCC head has given his thumbs up. Although..."in exchange for a number of concessions, including turning 24 channels over to noncommercial and minority programming." There's already like 100 noncommercial music channels on Sirius, let alone between the 2 of them, and almost a dozen channels that are "minority" programming. Whatever, just push it through. Now we wait on the actual commissioner votes, which can happen at any time now. I would think they would look pretty silly voting against the merger after the Justice Dept. and the FCC head honcho both gave their approval.
post #7 of 127
Does this mean I'll finally get to listen to both Cinemagic and Howard Stern in the same car? No joke, that's all I'm hoping to get out of this.
post #8 of 127
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Yeah, the only things I want from XM are Cinemagic and ACC sports.
post #9 of 127
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Yeah, the only things I want from XM are Cinemagic and ACC sports.
I hope the guys who do the Subsoniq alt-hiphop show on XM get to stick around. It airs at random times on XMU 43, and it's some of the best stuff going. I'd really like to see XMU survive as-is. Good channel.

How's the soul/funk selection on Sirius?
post #10 of 127
Yesss, almost there! I will definitely buy a new radio if it gets me Hair Nation, Cinemagic, NFL and the ACC all on one radio. Really looking forward to the a la carte options. However it still royally sucks that new radios will be required as my in-car radio is built into the dash and cannot be modified. Oh well, at least I'll get the goods at work.
post #11 of 127
Forgive me, since I've never experienced the wonders of satellite radio, but what is Cinemagic?
post #12 of 127
It's a station on XM that exclusively plays movie scores. They have general programming, but then sometimes they break it down to horror/sci-fi or stuff from the 80s (for example). It's awesome.
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Yesss, almost there! I will definitely buy a new radio if it gets me Hair Nation, Cinemagic, NFL and the ACC all on one radio. Really looking forward to the a la carte options. However it still royally sucks that new radios will be required as my in-car radio is built into the dash and cannot be modified. Oh well, at least I'll get the goods at work.
Wait, new radio? What? My in-car (on my new vehicle) nav/sirius player won't be able to handle the new signal?
post #14 of 127
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Wait, new radio? What? My in-car (on my new vehicle) nav/sirius player won't be able to handle the new signal?
I read yesterday that the old radios will continue to work, they just won't offer the dual programming. So if you have an XM radio now you'll continue to get XM-only programming post the merger. Part of the deal with the FCC is that the old radios have to work. But they don't have to work on the new combined service.
post #15 of 127
What a bummer. Any news on whether a software upgrade might fix certain systems?
post #16 of 127
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How's the soul/funk selection on Sirius?
Not bad. There's Backspin, which is "old skool" (forgive me) rap, and then a couple of R&B stations, and Eminem's channel.


Heard some of the concessions that they're doing this morning on Stern--unbelievable. They're having to make all their radios compatible with iPods and MP3 players, and...wait for it...HD fucking Radio. Yes, they have to make their radios so they'll also work with non-satellite radio (ie, their competitor's) technologies in order to not be a monopoly in satellite radio. You read that correctly--in order to not be a satellite-radio monopoly, they have to be compatible with non-satellite radio technologies. Why didn't they just make them add an AM/FM tuner as well? Whatever.
post #17 of 127
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I read yesterday that the old radios will continue to work, they just won't offer the dual programming. So if you have an XM radio now you'll continue to get XM-only programming post the merger. Part of the deal with the FCC is that the old radios have to work. But they don't have to work on the new combined service.
This is horseshit. I refuse to believe it's not possible to simulcast the opposite company's programming on a new channel for the old equipment. This reeks of trying to squeeze more money out of the customer base.
post #18 of 127
I know. I'm still pissed off two days later about that.
post #19 of 127
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From the DOJ's statement:

"As to existing subscribers, the Division found that satellite radio equipment sold by each company is customized to each network and will not function with the other service. XM and Sirius made some efforts to develop an interoperable radio capable of receiving both sets of satellite signals. Depending on how such a radio would be configured, it could enable consumers to switch between providers without incurring the costs of new equipment. The Division's investigation revealed, however, that no such interoperable radio is on the market and that such a radio likely would not be introduced in the near term. For example, in the important automotive channel, such a radio could not be introduced in the near term due to the engineering required to integrate radios into new vehicles. The need for equipment customized to each network means that in order to switch from XM to Sirius, or vice versa, a subscriber would have to purchase new equipment designed for the other service. In the case of a factory-installed car radio, switching satellite radio providers would have the additional disadvantage of requiring an aftermarket radio that would be less integrated into the vehicle's systems. Data analyzed by the Division confirmed that subscribers rarely switch between XM and Sirius."

Honestly, you can find el-cheapo older radios for both XM & Sirius (I almost bought one at a garage sale last weekend--now I'm kicking myself that I didn't). You can either buy a new device, or find an older, cheap model. There's a Sirius model that you can buy new for under $35, I believe. If I can take my Sirius service and add an XM radio to it and not pay extra (other than the usual charge for another unit), that's fine with me.
post #20 of 127
My problem comes from the fact I don't think satellite radio should have a per-unit fee system. I have a subscription for my car. I shouldn't have to pay an extra 10 bucks a month or whatever if I want a handheld unit for my office. It should be covered under my car subscription.
post #21 of 127
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This is horseshit. I refuse to believe it's not possible to simulcast the opposite company's programming on a new channel for the old equipment. This reeks of trying to squeeze more money out of the customer base.
Well, if you don't like it you can always switch to a competitor. That's the beauty of Free Market Capitalism.


Oh wait....
post #22 of 127
I just had to buy a new Sirius unit for my car after my Starmate took a shit after 3 years.

So, these new radios blow. The FCC or whoever made them lower the FM signal it puts out. Now you need a 3rd cable to wire near the antenna so it'll pick up the signal.

I love Sirius, but this is just a pain in the ass.
post #23 of 127
Well, I have XM built into my car, and I'm not getting rid of that anytime soon. I'm also not planning to add an inconvenient/externally wired/non-voice commanded unit of any sort to my car.

They had damn well better continue to offer me an acceptable amount of programming on the XM in my dash.
post #24 of 127
Hot damn, looks like the merger will go through soon:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1216..._us_whats_news

Can't wait to see the ala carte options come down.
post #25 of 127
And here's Howard's take on the whole mess:
http://www.businessandmedia.org/arti...724152511.aspx

Not too thrilled by the Dems attempting to kill it.
post #26 of 127
As long as I can have AltNation and that Bob Dylan station from XM that I keep hearing about, I'm happy.
post #27 of 127
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Man, I've been out of the loop the last few weeks because my company's office doesn't allow streaming, so I use my Stiletto here and there. So I've missed out on all of this...I heard Howard's mini-rant about all the Dems voting against the merger, which further embellishes the stereotype that Democrats are "anti-capitalism/competition/whatever". Anyway, glad to hear this is finally going through...it only took what...2 years? That's a joke unto itself. I've resisted on updating my car's Sirius radio because I've been waiting for the final verdict. Give me Cinemagic and my ACC football, and I'm a happy camper.
post #28 of 127
All I want to know is whether or not I'll still have a job in six months.
post #29 of 127
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As long as I can have AltNation and that Bob Dylan station from XM that I keep hearing about, I'm happy.
Bob has a show, not a station. His Theme Time Radio Hour is weekly when it's in production. When it's not, they play reruns. XM channel 2 is "XMX- XM Exclusives," and each day, they'll play some of their special content all day. One day a week, you get 24 hours of Theme Time Radio Hours.

On Thursdays, you get Tom Petty's Buried Treasure Show all day, and it's great.

Erik, I hope you get to keep your job!
post #30 of 127
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Erik, I hope you get to keep your job!
My wife, landlord, BGE, and creditors hope so too.
post #31 of 127
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How sad is this--I had a dream last night that I turned on my Sirius radio this morning and all the channels updated and now had all the combined channels on it. I'm fucking DREAMING about the merger now.
post #32 of 127
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Mel K. was on Stern this morning and said for XM subscribers, in early fall (Sept-Oct.), they'll be able to pick up some Sirius programming (including Stern) for $4/month extra. Other than Stern, they haven't announced (or even figured out) what the extra content will be yet. Same with Sirius--they'll have some XM programming that will be available to Sirius subscribers for the same $4/mo. And it's supposed to be for the same radio you own now.

Unfortunately, from what it sounds like he said, if you want both with everything right now, you still have to buy another radio and it's an additional $12.95/mo. instead of being an additional radio. If it were just the cost of another radio, I'd buy an XM receiver tomorrow. But it may get to that point.
post #33 of 127
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Interesting...I turned on my radio yesterday, and it said "Subscription Updated". I started looking through the channels to see what changed, and I now have two new categories: "XM" and "XM Sports".

If they could get the ACC stuff and Cinemagic hooked up in the next 30 days, I'd be as happy as a little schoolgirl.
post #34 of 127
Cinemagic sounds really cool I just have one question about it. Do they play the scores straight through or just go from one track to another?
post #35 of 127
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Different tracks. They'll play a little blurb from the movie itself, then play a track from the score. Sometimes they'll play the whole thing, if they're doing a special weekend or something. I got to listen for almost 2 weeks one time when the loaner car the garage gave me had XM in it.
post #36 of 127
The only downside with Cinemagic is that they play a lot of generic, uninteresting scores from generic, uninteresting movies. Tuning in one day and hearing the "Firewall" score springs to mind.

That said, they sometimes blow it out of the fucking water. A few weeks back they did a Studio Ghibli block with scores from Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke and Howl's Moving Castle. That was spectacular.
post #37 of 127
Cinemagic is great around Oscar time. I shouldn't have to explain why.
post #38 of 127
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Well, I got half my wish. They added XM Sports channels. The other programming is Oprah, Virus Radio (with O&A and Ron&Fez), XM Public Radio, Golf Tour, NHL Home Ice. No Cinemagic...yet.

But if you buy the new Starmate, they are offering an a la carte package, among other things. You can pick your favorite 100 channels for $14.99/mo. The downside is that none of the a la carte options include listening online. I think you have to pay extra for that unless you have one of the "everything" packages. I went ahead and added the "Best of XM" package to my car radio, and we'll see how it goes. I honestly don't care about anything else on it except ACC sports. And until Cinemagic appears as an addable channel, I'll probably cut it off after the college football season is over.
post #39 of 127
The only thing I want from XM is Cinemagic, and once baseball hits (if it does) my satellite radio needs will be filled.
post #40 of 127
Sorry for the double post, but does anyone else use StarPlayr for their internet streaming? The interface is fairly functional, and the only thing the newer updates of the program lack is the option to record.
post #41 of 127
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Different tracks. They'll play a little blurb from the movie itself, then play a track from the score. Sometimes they'll play the whole thing, if they're doing a special weekend or something. I got to listen for almost 2 weeks one time when the loaner car the garage gave me had XM in it.
Also worth noting, they're not allowed to play more than 3 pieces from any one score in a row. Copyright laws prevent it. So, no, they don't play entire scores all the way through.

Still a great channel, though.
post #42 of 127
Three weeks ago I was on a road trip when I heard the adverstiement on my car's XM for the "Best of Sirius Package". I almost ran off the road. I had originally read that the XM car radios wouldn't be able to upload/download the sofware updates necessary to get signals from Sirius' sattelite. Wrongo! Once we got to our hotel on Saturday I used their business PC to access my account. Logged in, added the package for around $4 a month more and it worked like a champ. I had to log back onto the website later and force a download on my car's unit, it didn't do it automatically like the site said it should. But the site also said forcing could be necessary and once I did that it worked. The next day on the drive home I listed to NFL all day. So, so sweet.

So now my XM account also gets me all NFL Games, some additional college football games, Howard and Martha. All for $4 a month more or something like that. Fan fucking tastic. So glad this merger went through.
post #43 of 127
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Just got this today:

As of 1/1/09, Cinemagic is on channel 81 on Sirius.

FUCK. YES.
post #44 of 127
Yeahhh... they started piping Sirius programming into the approximate XM channels today, with the names showing up as they did on Sirius. Most of our XM channels are no more.

I'm not totally happy.

Mostly ticked that The Rhyme is gone, and thus there is no channel that plays much hiphop that isn't Lil Wayne/TI/Jeezy/new stuff that I can hear anywhere else.

The Boneyard is temporarily gone, but will return in the place of AC/DC Radio when that runs its course in January. I was glad to read that, because from what I've gathered so far, "Hair Nation" is somewhat pussified compared to the Boneyard. Hopefully they keep both.

Sorry to see the loss of The Verge, a Canadian new rock channel that used to like on XM 52. Hopefully "Sirius XM U" is as good as XMU 43 was before the merge, as that's one of my main stations.

I wish they'd devote more bandwidth to variety, and less to things like Dead and Buffett and M&M-themed stations.

Erik Myers, do you still have a job?
post #45 of 127
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I was glad to read that, because from what I've gathered so far, "Hair Nation" is somewhat pussified compared to the Boneyard. Hopefully they keep both.
That is a pretty accurate description. I like them both for exactly that reason. I hope they keep them both also.

And yes, Cinemagic on Sirius is fantastic.
post #46 of 127
Apparently X-Country is gone, too. Boo.

Also, they let Tobi and Billy Zero from XMU go, which is a PILE OF BALLS. Those two knew and loved the music.
post #47 of 127
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I was disappointed when I saw they got rid of Backspin (old school rap) as well. And I am thrilled to keep Hair Nation and to get Boneyard.

I guess Cinemagic's placeholder right now is Xmas music, because that's all I've heard on there. Also listened a bit to the "Book Channel" on 117. They were doing "Ender's Game"(?) by Orson Scott Card the other day. I think they play a chapter, then do a chapter of something else, because the book was different when I got back in the car.
post #48 of 127
No more Backspin? That sucks. I haven't listened to my Sirius much since I've been buying a lot of CD's lately, but Backspin was always a channel I listened to a lot.
post #49 of 127
Tuned into POTUS 08 to hear some comedian talking like a sterotypucal DJ and having his crew engage in lame political comedy.

Fuck that shit. POTUS is good because it doesn't have that sort of nonsense.

Maybe I'm just an old bastard, but some of the Sirius program seems to be trying too hard to be edgy and hip.

Anyway...I complain, but I'll keep it. It's just going to take some getting used to.
post #50 of 127
The two channels I was hoping would show up on XM/Sirius/whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit did. Those would be the Grateful Dead channel, and the jam band channel.
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