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post #101 of 152
6/11/08 at 1:02pm


"I Like It!!!"
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post #102 of 152
6/11/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by halofan1 View Post
-What was the point of having him stalk his wife the whole issue is going to be resolved one scene later and NEVER FUCKING REFERRED TO THE REST OF THE FILM!? Here's the potential for a killer plot point and it's gone faster than David Caruso's film career.
If it's resolved why would it be referred to again?
That was my favorite part of the movie. It's a great way of tying up a loose thread from the original and establishing Robo as his own person/robot/cop.
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post #103 of 152
6/11/08 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
I love Johnson when Robo plays the video of Dick Jones bragging about having Bob Morton killed. The stern look of anger on Johnson's face pretty much summed up how we as an audience felt toward Dick Jones.
That was Johnson's turning point. The moment when Bob Morton's prophetic words about "life in the big city",where only the ruthless survive, all came into focus. RoboCop 2 saw the new Johnson step up and take what was his.
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post #104 of 152
6/11/08 at 1:27pm
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If it's resolved why would it be referred to again?
That was my favorite part of the movie. It's a great way of tying up a loose thread from the original and establishing Robo as his own person/robot/cop.
Plus, thanks to that scene you get that new jerk from OCP who taunts Robocop with "You think you can offer her love? A man's love?"
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post #105 of 152
6/11/08 at 1:57pm
Hopefully Johnson destroyed that OCP jerk's life and career after Robocop 2.
YOU DON'T SASS DOQUI.
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post #106 of 152
6/11/08 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
If it's resolved why would it be referred to again?
That was my favorite part of the movie. It's a great way of tying up a loose thread from the original and establishing Robo as his own person/robot/cop.
The point I'm making is that it shouldn't have even been in the film if it was going to be resolved a second later. In the first he goes back to his house and they show us that's he's lost his family and his humanity. The second film should have had a subplot of how he dealt with it, not 'let's stalk her for one scene and then resolve it five minutes later.'
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post #107 of 152
6/11/08 at 2:59pm
Someone should post a whole bunch of Johnson's many different facial expressions to lighten up the mood.
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post #108 of 152
6/11/08 at 3:00pm
Why not? It's not like they were introducing a new concept. He went back to his old house trying to find a connection to his old life in the first film. The sequel returns to that subplot and ties it up as a way of establishing Robo's character for the rest of the film.
It works as is.
See also- The escape from Jabba's crib in Return Of The Jedi. It ties up the last movie's cliffhanger and reintroduces all the characters. Should they have spent the entire movie on Tatooine instead?
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post #109 of 152
6/11/08 at 3:20pm
Doesn't he break that robot guide thing? Isn't that destruction of private property and therefore he should arrest himself? Oh, that Robocop. He plays by his own rules.
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post #110 of 152
6/11/08 at 3:44pm
I'm sure his pension paid for it.
I'd like to know who's paying for all of those panes of glass he tossed Clarence through. Let's hope Sal had insurance on his coke warehouse or his wife gets stuck with the bill.
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post #111 of 152
6/11/08 at 4:02pm
The destruction of Bob Morton's swank bachelor pad was the greatest tragedy of all.
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post #112 of 152
6/11/08 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
Why not? It's not like they were introducing a new concept. He went back to his old house trying to find a connection to his old life in the first film. The sequel returns to that subplot and ties it up as a way of establishing Robo's character for the rest of the film.
It works as is.
I am afraid I do not agree with this sentiment. I do not feel there was any closure. Yes, he told his wife he is a machine and she ran off crying and screaming. But, the way Peter Weller played it was Murphy was only saying what OCP wanted him to say and not what he wanted to.

Maybe I was just hoping for the happy ending with the wife. (No porno pun intended)
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post #113 of 152
6/11/08 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
Plus, thanks to that scene you get that new jerk from OCP who taunts Robocop with "You think you can offer her love? A man's love?"
That guy was awesome. He was like a yuppie version of McLean Stevenson. He was also in a great Star Trek TNG episode where he played a fugitive. They tried to beam him up but he resisted the beaming up by straining really hard like he was taking a fat dump.
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post #114 of 152
6/12/08 at 2:03am
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Someone needs to start a Johnson appreciation thread stat!


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post #115 of 152
6/12/08 at 11:56am
Johnson appreciates himself
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post #116 of 152
6/12/08 at 12:06pm
Johnson didn't get where he is today by letting other people start appreciation threads for him. Another lesson learned from the Bob Morton School of Business-
"That's the way it works in the big leagues. You see something you want? You grab it!"
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post #117 of 152
6/12/08 at 12:08pm
Bob Morton's great lesson was the homoerotic way he tapped the other OCP employee's keycard when they went into the bathroom. It was just a prelude to the softcore scene about to happen between Dick Jones and Bob.

"You... just... *tugs hair* FUUCCCKKKKKEEEDDDD!!!!... with the wrong guy!"
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post #118 of 152
6/12/08 at 12:10pm
IRONBUTT is the rough sex safe word of the future.
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post #119 of 152
6/12/08 at 12:12pm
OCP employee who would never "GRAB IT" or go anywhere: 'Guy who peed on himself after spotting Dick Jones'
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post #120 of 152
6/12/08 at 12:56pm
What? He had a meeting!
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post #121 of 152
6/12/08 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
IRONBUTT is the rough sex safe word of the future.
The expression on Miguel Ferrer's face was a great combination of "Oh shit!" "The hell?" and "Are you gonna fuck me?". What a hilarious scene.
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post #122 of 152
6/12/08 at 7:55pm
Ronny......COCKS????
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post #123 of 152
6/13/08 at 9:32am
No discussion of Robocop 2 can go on without the mentioning of an ED-209 on the news broadcast putting it's foot into a open manhole cover.

Goddamn I love those things, and died a little inside when one got hacked by a little girl in 3.




I just can't get enough of this GiF
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post #124 of 152
6/23/08 at 9:19pm
I will shoot in the face who ever tries to remake the first film.
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post #125 of 152
6/23/08 at 9:29pm
Is that a threat halofan1?
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post #126 of 152
6/25/08 at 11:51pm
No, it's a promise.
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post #127 of 152
7/7/08 at 11:28pm
Was the ROBOCOP 2 theme ever discussed in this thread?
The high pitched "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOBOCOP" screams that kick in at 1:02 are amazing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zE6MNQrWqK0
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post #128 of 152
7/7/08 at 11:32pm
I always just assumed everyone knew it was amazing and accepted it by default.
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post #129 of 152
7/7/08 at 11:47pm
The screeching ladies of "ROBOCOP 2 END THEME" are second only to the wailing aliens of the "MAGNUM FORCE MAIN THEME".
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post #130 of 152
7/7/08 at 11:59pm
I don't really want to talk about Robocop anymore... it makes me miss DOQUI!
R.I.P. SEE YOU SOON!
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post #131 of 152
7/8/08 at 1:08am
DoQui's wunna mine!
I want him reanimated and back on his feet!
ARE YOU GETTING THIS, GOD??
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post #132 of 152
7/8/08 at 3:22am
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Originally Posted by BobClark View Post
If it's resolved why would it be referred to again?
That was my favorite part of the movie. It's a great way of tying up a loose thread from the original and establishing Robo as his own person/robot/cop.
While I'm on the pro-Robocop 2 team, where was the loose end? Didn't they tie it up already in the first when Lewis explained that she had started over in a new city? Now, she's back and living in relative close proximity to where Robo works?

All of this is making me want to throw my badge down by Johnson's feet and leave this thread.
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post #133 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber's EYE CONDITION! View Post
Also I like how the old man of OCP isn't really that bad or evil in Robocop, but suddenly in Robocop 2 he's over the top evil! No explanation needed! I bet it was his choice to choose those OCP nazi-esque flags! Either that or it was a whole different character... perhaps the new head of OCP circa Robocop 2 was Conal Cochran!
Then again, he was still a corporate asshole in the first film.

[ED-209 has malfunctioned during a demonstration, killing Kinney in the boardroom]
The Old Man: Dick, I'm very disappointed.
Dick Jones: I'm sure it's only a glitch. A temporary setback.
The Old Man: You call this a GLITCH?
[pause]
The Old Man: We're scheduled to begin construction in 6 months. Your temporary setback could cost us 50 million dollars in interest payments alone!

Not much concern over the dead employee. Just money.
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post #134 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:19pm
Thread Starter 
But in the original you could argue that the old man was symbolic of just how long greed had put a stranglehold on that society. He wasn't really evil. That's just the way it was. Nobody in that boardroom was all that broken up about Kinney after the initial shock of the moment.

In part 2 all bets were off for the old man.
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post #135 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:22pm
Asshole or not, The Old Man's is presented as a kindly old man.

I mean, c'mon:

The Old Man: Nice shooting, son. What's your name?
RoboCop: Murphy.
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post #136 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by matalo View Post
I am afraid I do not agree with this sentiment. I do not feel there was any closure. Yes, he told his wife he is a machine and she ran off crying and screaming. But, the way Peter Weller played it was Murphy was only saying what OCP wanted him to say and not what he wanted to.

Maybe I was just hoping for the happy ending with the wife. (No porno pun intended)
I do agree that the resolution to Murphy’s wife could have been explored even more, I think they could have stretched that out so the reason he gets the reprogrammed Prime Directives is tied to him harassing his wife as well as a way for the villains to get him out of the way. But I do think that when he looks out the window at his wife leaving the station it is Murphy really saying his goodbyes forever. He knows OCP is right and he cannot start a new life with her.
Something about how when he deletes all the Prime Directives from his system and from then on it is all fucking business until the very end when he is removing his helmet and says, “…we’re only human.” really made me smile. Murphy is back and he’s okay.
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post #137 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:27pm
Half an hour into this movie I remember thinking that it was a surprisingly passable attempt at continuing and building on the story of the first movie, and wondered why it had such a terrible reputation. As if reading my mind, the movie then spent the next hour and a half providing ever more convincing arguments to answer my question until by the end I pretty much wanted to set my tv on fire and throw it in the bin.

Still probably weird enough to deserve a second viewing sometime though.
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post #138 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
But in the original you could argue that the old man was symbolic of just how long greed had put a stranglehold on that society. He wasn't really evil. That's just the way it was. Nobody in that boardroom was all that broken up about Kinney after the initial shock of the moment.

In part 2 all bets were off for the old man.
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Asshole or not, The Old Man's is presented as a kindly old man.

I mean, c'mon:

The Old Man: Nice shooting, son. What's your name?
RoboCop: Murphy.
You have a point. I just always thought it was a pretty cold reaction.
Maybe I just hate old people. or corporate CEOs. ...or both.
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post #139 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:32pm
I find it odd everyone still had hearing after Kinney was killed.

"Poor Kinney."
"WHAT?"
"I said, POOR KINNEY!"
"HUH"?
"FUCK, I'M DEAF!"
"HUH?"
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post #140 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:34pm
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You have a point. I just always thought it was a pretty cold reaction.
Maybe I just hate old people. or corporate CEOs. ...or both.
Man, he just wants his life back. That's not too much to ask, is it?
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post #141 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Asshole or not, The Old Man's is presented as a kindly old man.

I mean, c'mon:

The Old Man: Nice shooting, son. What's your name?
RoboCop: Murphy.
I always thought that that the Old Man in Robocop wass supposed to be the kind face of corporatism. Sure, he's a greedy cunt, but he's a greedy cunt that cares about things like product quality and accountability.

Jones and Morton seemed to be more different--different in terms of expression, not substance--sides of the opposite end of that spectrum: people who only see value in the bottom line. Jones couldn't care less about anything outside of accounts as long as the cash kept rolling in--he's all about extracting value rather than generating it--and Morton only cares about quality due to the competitive edge it gives him against people like Jones, i.e. everything is just "product" to him.

So, it is kind of jarring to suddenly have the old guy step into the role of being the face of modern corporate greed in the sequel.
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post #142 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
I always thought that that the Old Man in Robocop wass supposed to be the kind face of corporatism. Sure, he's a greedy cunt, but he's a greedy cunt that cares about things like product quality and accountability.
Well, not so much accountability to Kinney. I wonder if his life insurance will pay out.
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post #143 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:40pm
This can't be a coincidence. Someone has obviously been frequenting THIS thread as of late.
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post #144 of 152
7/1/10 at 8:46pm
The biggest problem with Robocop 2 to me is that after the first half hour, I was bored as shit until Robocain vs Robocop. That final fight is AWESOME. I don't care what you people say.
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post #145 of 152
7/1/10 at 9:23pm
I actually still get a sort of drop-out feeling in the pit of my stomach every time I watch the scene where Murphy's hanging from the top of the elevator shaft and you hear Robocain belting back up the shaft at high speed. Very effective little movie moment.
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post #146 of 152
7/1/10 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
The biggest problem with Robocop 2 to me is that after the first half hour, I was bored as shit until Robocain vs Robocop. That final fight is AWESOME. I don't care what you people say.

I feel this way about the film to, I want to love it, but I can't.


The adverts and News Headlines are alright, like the gunplay they lack the OOMPH of the Verhoeven touch. The Robocop 2 prototype malfunctions are brilliant, especially with the little detail of the arm in the sling, but sadly this moment is too brief.

RoboCain vs Robocop is a great robot fight, it also helps that RoboCain is a rather vicious design with Phil Tippett injecting his master puppeteering and go-motion technique.

But still, the film lacks teeth, it feels tired and worn with an infection of sequelitis. On the plus side, at least the film isn't Robocop 3 (because fuck that film) or the Live action tv show.

Now to shoot some cheer into this post.

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post #147 of 152
6/28/12 at 9:27pm
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I will shoot in the face who ever tries to remake the first film.

Uh oh.
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post #148 of 152
7/1/12 at 8:35pm

Always had a soft spot for this movie. Part of it has to do with it being one of the like 5 VHS tapes I had growing up, so I saw it about 8 billion times. Weller's delivery of, "You're coming with me Kain!!", has an almost pavlovian ability to get my adrenaline flowing. I hadn't even seen part 1 until a few years ago actually.

 

Does anyone know if any of the comics or TV Shows were good? I've been warned enough about 3 to know for sure it's a piece of shit. Though Rip Torn has me kind of curious.

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post #149 of 152
7/4/12 at 7:37am
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Always had a soft spot for this movie. Part of it has to do with it being one of the like 5 VHS tapes I had growing up, so I saw it about 8 billion times. Weller's delivery of, "You're coming with me Kain!!", has an almost pavlovian ability to get my adrenaline flowing. I hadn't even seen part 1 until a few years ago actually.

 

Does anyone know if any of the comics or TV Shows were good? I've been warned enough about 3 to know for sure it's a piece of shit. Though Rip Torn has me kind of curious.

 


Never read the comics.

 

The Live action tv show was a pile of shit, you'd think Robocop 3 was bad enough... man oh man, the live action tv show, fugetabout it. Especially when you had stuff like Captain Power to watch at that age.

 

I think there are like 2 or 3 Robocop Cartoons, I barely remember them other than making Ed-209 out of Lego while it was on early morning tv, so he could fight G.I. Joes (the Joe Sci-Fi looked kinda like Robocop) and fall down stairs. I even used the these for the arm covers that could flip about.

 

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post #150 of 152
7/4/12 at 5:01pm

Yeah, I can't defend it on any artistic level, but I do have a soft spot for this one.

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