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post #51 of 187
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Originally Posted by Samurai Mike View Post
Is it possible we're overthinking these things people? They are kids' films after all. I see the same thing with Indiana Jones.
I really hope that I never feel the same about Indy like I do towards any of the SW movies (sans Empire). The flicks (even Crusade) just too much damn fun.

I did catch the a little of Empire the other night on tv. Caught it right when Han & company realize Vader's on Bespin, and watched through until the end....
post #52 of 187
I can see having a tough time getting through A NEW HOPE, it's slow as hell. But if EMPIRE's on TV, I'll finish it. I'm not that big of a STAR WARS geek, but I can at least identify that its an extremely entertaining movie.
post #53 of 187
Over the years I have come to love Raiders of the Lost Ark far more than Star wars.

I do try and leave a good couple of years between watching them. I remember as a teenager starting a video collection i over watched them as they were 3 of the 7 or so videos i owned, it left a very bad taste in my mouth.

And to be honest there are so many films i havent seen i can't really justify watching them again for a very long time.
post #54 of 187
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Originally Posted by WayDen View Post
I really hope that I never feel the same about Indy like I do towards any of the SW movies (sans Empire). The flicks (even Crusade) just too much damn fun.

I did catch the a little of Empire the other night on tv. Caught it right when Han & company realize Vader's on Bespin, and watched through until the end....
Indiana Jones never affected my childhood like Star Wars, I think I was slightly too young. Subsequently I've always thought of the Indy films as great but flawed, whereas until 1999 the SW flicks were unsurpassed in my eyes. Now I see the original trilogy as films I've grown out of, but will no doubt revisit. Once I've seen a lot more other films, that is.

I'll always love Star Wars for its imagination more than anything else.
post #55 of 187
I love Star Wars, but I rarely watch the movies again. I thought watching movies over and over was a thing little kids (like mine) did. For adults, even if I enjoy a film a lot, I rarely want to watch it again.
post #56 of 187
I've heard tell of a rich collector in L.A. who owns a 70mm print, and even has the ability to run 70mm in his giant home screening theater. A few people have claimed to "re-appreciate" the movie when seen with it's 70s cinematography and effects intact. Lucas has tried to track down all those prints and has forbidden them from any public exhibition.
post #57 of 187
I must be missing the point of some of these posts. "I rarely watch Rear Window so I must be done with Hitchcock." Wha?
post #58 of 187
In all honesty, I never really saw why the trilogy gets so many people so worked up in the first place.
Empire has its moments, and Jedi is at least passably paced, but New Hope is simply a dull, lifeless void of a film.
post #59 of 187
I can still watch the original trilogy with no problem. Then again, that's probably because I don't watch them very often and these three movies were on a huge hiatus with me for quite sometime there.

I remember watching the movies when I was in first grade quite a bit. Then, the next time I would watch the movies was when I was a junior in high school. I'm definitely a fan, but I've just never been into the hysteria that comes with this franchise. They're three very good films that changed the way Hollywood made movies (not many movies can really claim this).

Even if I was obsessed with them, I would try my best to not overload myself with too many viewings. I learned my lesson with AC/DC back when I was in grammar school. I love the band, but I just can't bring myself to listen to an album all the way through anymore because of the insane number of times I listened to "Highway to Hell" and "Back in Black" back in the day.
post #60 of 187
I'm convinced there's some people posting in here just to try to cause a stir.
post #61 of 187
Lucas designed A New Hope to be seen only once.
post #62 of 187
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
Lucas designed A New Hope to be seen only once.
Is that what he told you?
post #63 of 187
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Originally Posted by Eric Cordo View Post
Is that what he told you?
Me and about a billion others. I can't remember the articles, but he said that in early interviews around the late 70s, and other articles between then and now.

And watching the film today, I can see what he means. This is common knowledge about the film (Lucas and Kurtz cutting corners, making mountains out molehills, etc...nothing in Star Wars was meant to be scrutinized as there wasn't any money to keep the seams glued per se).

Even the themes aren't that special or unique, they're used in most good stories. It was a combination of his ability to mix in the right ingredients and a lack of action adventure films for mass consumption.

People bitching about it not holding up today is hilarious... no offense, as I'm right there with them.
post #64 of 187
I don't know guys, I can still watch Return of the Jedi on a Sunday afternoon and have a blast. However, I really have to get rid of my prequel DVDs, those movies keep getting worse with every viewing.
post #65 of 187
The only Star Wars films that I'd happily consider sitting down and watching right now are Empire and Phantom. A hundred times was enough for Hope and Jedi, once was enough for the other prequels, but I can watch Empire forever because it's great, and I can watch TPM a few more times because it has a few good aspects that I haven't worn out yet.
post #66 of 187
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Stop watching the same movies over and over again, people. Take up drinking if your life is so hard you have to escape into the same shit ad infinitum.
I agree with this. There's so many great movies in the world for you to discover why would you keep watching the same few titles over and over?
post #67 of 187
For ROTJ's 25th anniversary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdd0edT-BeE
post #68 of 187
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Originally Posted by Luscious Python View Post
For ROTJ's 25th anniversary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdd0edT-BeE
What is this shit, I feel gypped. Billy Dee didn't reprise his ridiculous clapping from the ewok party at the end of ROTJ.
post #69 of 187
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Originally Posted by Luscious Python View Post
For ROTJ's 25th anniversary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdd0edT-BeE
This guy should have won American Idol.
post #70 of 187
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
This guy should have won American Idol.
He'd probably have to sing about a different subject (soaring suns, God, hearts). Star Wars just isn't gay enough for that show.
post #71 of 187
The reason you don't like Star Wars anymore is because of just watching it on occasion and enjoying it, you watch it OVER and OVER and OVER again, dissecing it, discussing it, and over familiarizing yourself to the point where it's impossible to just escape for two hours. It's like being six years old forever, minus the forced naps.
post #72 of 187
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Originally Posted by Luscious Python View Post
For ROTJ's 25th anniversary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdd0edT-BeE
Hahahah that was great.
post #73 of 187
I haven't tried watching any of these properly for years now. Used to adore them, but maybe the thread starter is right, maybe it's over exposure with the prequels.

I actually remember, about three years ago. I watched Revenge Of The Sith at the cinema and after, I played the PS2 game and completed it in a weekend. I remember thinking after playing that game "I never wanna see another Star Wars movie again".
post #74 of 187
I read that Toys 'R Us is having another midnight opening, this time to sell "Clone Wars" tie-ins. Christ Almighty, I was lame enough to attend the 12:01 a.m. unveiling of the "Phantom Menace" toys, but is anyone really that excited about this new film? I mean, really?

Now "Tropic Thunder" figs I'd pick up at midnight...
post #75 of 187
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Originally Posted by Brad_Lohan View Post

Now "Tropic Thunder" figs I'd pick up at midnight...
Which figures would that be? The before / after RDJ or the limbless Stiller?
post #76 of 187
I will enjoy Star Wars parody until the day I die, I imagine. Well after they'll at least be screened in film history classes. It will be probably be like Dracula once it hits the public domain, endlessly remade.

Coppola once kidded Lucas apparently about having created a religion. Yesterday George Lucas said this:

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Originally Posted by George Lucas
“I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now the animated film and television series,” he says. “And I’m going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I’m the father; that’s my work. Then we have the licensing group, which does the games, toys and books, and all that other stuff. I call that the son - and the son does pretty much what he wants.” He laughs. “Once in a while, they ask a question like ‘Can we kill off Yoda?’, things like that, but it’s very loose.
“Then we have the third group, the holy ghost, which is the bloggers and fans. They have created their own world. I worry about the father’s world. The son and holy ghost can go their own way.”
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle4386319.ece
post #77 of 187
I think that Star Wars: The Clone Wars should be great. I am definitely seeing the film August 15th, and I am looking forward to the weekly series. I heard at E3 that the Nintendo Wii will be getting a Star Wars: The Clone Wars fighting game...it is too bad that 360 owners will be left out for now.
post #78 of 187
I went to see Wall-E 2 weeks ago. They showed the Clone Wars trailer beforehand. Once it finsished there was complete silence in the theatre, then on cue and at the same time, 4 seperate kids started crying.

It's official - Star Wars makes little children cry.
post #79 of 187
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Originally Posted by Felt Pelt View Post
I know Lucas bashing is old, and I hate to do this, but there are some real gems in that article.

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“I’m only going to produce Red Tails — we have a black director — but then I think I am going to direct some more, make some esoteric films that have a personal significance.” And what might they be?
I wasn't aware there was a director set for Red Tails. Unless I missed them, I haven't read any announcements. Last I heard were the denials that Lucas would be directing it. Apparently, it's not important that we know who it is or whether they are a good director. But at least George made sure we knew the director was black. Alrighty then.

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Lucas is also considering what to do about the fifth instalment in the Indiana Jones franchise, which he has produced from the outset. The most recent film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, has taken almost $750m (£375m) at the international box office, and the whip-snapping archeologist remains in high demand, even though his own days as a whippersnapper are behind him (Harrison Ford is two years older than Lucas).

“We were hoping for box-office figures like that, which is, ultimately, with inflation, what the others have done, within 10%,” Lucas explains. “So, we squeaked up there. Really, though, it was a challenge getting the story together and getting everybody to agree on it. Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level.

“If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”
Please stop, George. Please.
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post #81 of 187
He should be well-preserved, and unable to cause any further harm.
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post #83 of 187
I first saw A New Hope when I was too young to remember most of it. I grew up thinking the films were fun, but they weren't something I focused on. If you watch the original movies with the idea that they're simply fun science-fantasy with robots and light sabers, there's little to disappoint you. It's all about balance.
post #84 of 187
I just bought a resin copy of Obi-Wan's TPM/AOTC lightsaber off e-bay for $20. I still like Star Wars.
post #85 of 187
I think the impact of Star Wars is diminished if you weren't a kid in the summer of 1977. Living through the cultural tsunami that film was, the build-up to Empire and the shock of how good that was really informs the affection a lot of us have for the OT. And now that I've finally gotten over the need to include and defend the PT, I find Star Wars works for me just fine.
post #86 of 187
I do have to wonder though if future generations are ever going to give a shit about Star Wars. I mean even to me Star Wars seems like my parent's thing more than anything else.
post #87 of 187
The franchise that scorched my brain at a young age was Planet of the Apes. With much less merchandising and ancillary facefucks than SW, I still burned out on it. I didn't have prequels, but I did have a shitty remake as the final nail.
post #88 of 187
Just curious, did you see the Apes films when the first came out or later? Because there were mountains of Apes merchandise out in the early 70s. Nothing on the level of the Star Wars blitz, but enough to make Fox look kind of stupid to let Lucas have the merchandise rights for Star Wars.
post #89 of 187
I had all that shit. (yes, still way less than SW produced)

My intro to Apes was most likely the TV series and Saturday morning cartoon, with the movies playing in regular rotation on tv (1974-1975). Had all the toys, rifles, garbage cans, board game. Cut to 1995 and I'm buying "Planet of the Apes as American Myth" as an adult.
post #90 of 187
POTA films are way better science fiction than STAR WARS. Probably better movies, too.
post #91 of 187
Agreed. My point here was that they had already moved in and unpacked all their shit before Star Wars could have showed up to clog that part of my brain.

And awesome as they are, burnout still can happen. I didn't even buy the DVD triple dip. For shame.
post #92 of 187
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
POTA films are way better science fiction than STAR WARS. Probably better movies, too.
Sure, if you categorize Star Wars as science fiction, which I don't. It's not interested in the sociological ideas Apes is, it's just an adventure story with hints of mythology that got blown out of proportion as time went on.

I will argue that, on the whole, the Apes series is stronger than the Star Wars saga -- Apes has three good sequels while Star Wars has one and a half.
post #93 of 187
Even the bad Apes sequels get points for being bugfuck crazy. I like to imagine the pitch meetings for each of them.
post #94 of 187
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I think the impact of Star Wars is diminished if you weren't a kid in the summer of 1977. Living through the cultural tsunami that film was, the build-up to Empire and the shock of how good that was really informs the affection a lot of us have for the OT. And now that I've finally gotten over the need to include and defend the PT, I find Star Wars works for me just fine.
Yeah, it's not hard for me to remember the impact they had on me in 1977, but coming into the franchise at any other point in your life has to dull the effect a little bit.

I was 8 years old when I saw Star Wars in the theater for the first time, and was one of the legions of kids who saw it numerous times that summer. I wallowed around in Star Wars, and it steep in my brain over the next decades. Then the prequels hit when I was just starting to settle down to have my own kids, so the familiar fire came back to me. I drove 60 miles to watch The Waterboy to see the trailer. I trekked to the first Star Wars Celebration in Denver (attended, it seemed, almost entirely by men in their very early thirties), and was incredibly fired up for Phantom Menace.

When the prequels disappointed, and the the merchandising hit a saturation point with me I was pretty much done. The original movies still bang around in my head, but I don't think I've seen the PT movies more than once each...mostly out of loyalty. My nostalgia remains firmly in place for the original versions of the films, but I don't really consider myself a Star Wars fan anymore.

I'm hoping that the original trilogy will hold some magic for me when I re-visit them with my own kids (who are still a little young for it). But for the reasons that Patric describes, I'm holding off until then. There are bootleg DVDs made from the original Laserdisc release sitting unwatched on my shelf all set for the occasion.
post #95 of 187
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Even the bad Apes sequels get points for being bugfuck crazy. I like to imagine the pitch meetings for each of them.

Bad Apes Sequel (singular).
The only bad one is ESCAPE.
post #96 of 187
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Originally Posted by Andrew C View Post
Bad Apes Sequel (singular).
The only bad one is ESCAPE.
I think you meant BATTLE.
post #97 of 187
Battle's awesome. The extended version ties it into Beneath. The leader mutant has the same name as the one in Beneath, and they got the Omega bomb up in that.
post #98 of 187
But Escape is nowhere near being bad.
post #99 of 187
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I do have to wonder though if future generations are ever going to give a shit about Star Wars. I mean even to me Star Wars seems like my parent's thing more than anything else.
It would be sad if the prequel trilogy negatively impacted the timelessness of that fantasy world. I know I don't see Star Wars the same way I did before The Phantom Menace.
post #100 of 187
I've made the argument before, but I think the limits of Star Wars are perhaps going to be its undoing. At it's heart it's a big mythological adventure flick, sold on its mythos and its production more than anything else and I think taken at that level kids are always going to favour more contemporary films. I think Pirates of the Caribbean will probably go onto displace Star Wars in a lot of kids minds, and I think most kids who do like Star Wars will vastly prefer the Prequels to the OT.
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