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I've said it for 3 years and lately the government is having a hard time hiding inflation. More and more oil producing countries are not having the dollar as their sole currency for selling oil. That means that theres TONS of US dollars floating around. Our debt is over 9 Trillion and foreign countries have lost faith in us. The reason for such high gas prices is we need to compensate for the loss of some countries not using the dollar to sell oil and buying Treasury Bills to prop up the dollar. So in order to stay afloat oil needs to rise to save the dollar. The US is in a catch 22 right now and the only way to stop it is to invade Iran, take control of the entire middle east and make sure oil is sold in US dollars. This empire will end just like all the rest. The nail in the coffin was when Russia stopped using the dollar to sell their oil. Make fun of me and Ron Paul all you want. Everything I've talked about for the last 3 years is happening. WHEN this happens the government already has dictatorial police powers and can do whatever they want to try and control the panic and rioting that will take place. Martial Law is a step away and life as we know it will be very different.

This is what the war on terror, Iraq and everything else is about....our survival.
post #2 of 18
Good riddance.
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Originally Posted by DarthSidious View Post
I've said it for 3 years and lately the government is having a hard time hiding inflation. More and more oil producing countries are not having the dollar as their sole currency for selling oil. That means that theres TONS of US dollars floating around. Our debt is over 9 Trillion and foreign countries have lost faith in us. The reason for such high gas prices is we need to compensate for the loss of some countries not using the dollar to sell oil and buying Treasury Bills to prop up the dollar. So in order to stay afloat oil needs to rise to save the dollar. The US is in a catch 22 right now and the only way to stop it is to invade Iran, take control of the entire middle east and make sure oil is sold in US dollars. This empire will end just like all the rest. The nail in the coffin was when Russia stopped using the dollar to sell their oil. Make fun of me and Ron Paul all you want. Everything I've talked about for the last 3 years is happening. WHEN this happens the government already has dictatorial police powers and can do whatever they want to try and control the panic and rioting that will take place. Martial Law is a step away and life as we know it will be very different.

This is what the war on terror, Iraq and everything else is about....our survival.
Do you have any training in economics? Oil is a speculative bubble because of the instability in other markets. The dollar is only weakened by about 10%. People not wanting to sell oil in dollars is simply because of the dollar's weakness. Yes, we have some inflation. But most prices that are going up are NOT inflation. Crop prices - that's supply and demand. Oil - that's speculation. That's not inflation.

Oil does not need to "rise to save the dollar." Whatever that means. Oil prices will drop when the vast amount of speculative investment in oil starts to move back into other areas of investment, like housing backed securities, tech stocks, etc.

Yes, we have weakened the dollar with military spending. But we've been through this with other wars, and it isn't so bad that we can't go through it again.

We aren't even in a recession (as traditionally defined by a negative growth for two quarters). We haven't even had negative growth for ONE quarter. Our economy is still growing, just very slowly. And remember that good, steady growth is only about 4%.
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There was an article in the May Harpers that addresses the gradual fiddling with the numbers that leads to a false sense of the economy.

Numbers Racket: Why the economy is worse than we know

Here's an excerpt:

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AMERICA'S "OPACITY" CRISIS

Transparency is the hallmark of democracy, but we now find ourselves with economic statistics every bit as opaque—and as vulnerable to double-dealing—as a subprime CDO. Of the "big three" statistics, let us start with unemployment. Most of the people tired of looking for work, as mentioned above, are no longer counted in the workforce, though they do still show up in one of the auxiliary unemployment numbers. The BLS has six different regular jobless measurements—U-1, U-2, U-3 (the one routinely cited), U-4, U-5, and U-6. In January 2008, the U-4 to U-6 series produced unemployment numbers ranging from 5.2 percent to 9.0 percent, all above the "official" number. The series nearest to real-world conditions is, not surprisingly, the highest: U-6, which includes part-timers looking for full-time employment as well as other members of the "marginally attached," a new catchall meaning those not looking for a job but who say they want one. Yet this does not even include the Americans who (as Austan Goolsbee puts it) have been "bought off the unemployment rolls" by government programs such as Social Security disability, whose recipients are classified as outside the labor force.

Second is the Gross Domestic Product, which in itself represents something of a fudge: federal economists used the Gross National Product until 1991, when rising U.S. international debt costs made the narrower GDP assessment more palatable. The GDP has been subject to many further fiddles, the most manipulatable of which are the adjustments made for the presumed starting up and ending of businesses (the "birth/death of businesses" equation) and the amounts that the Bureau of Economic Analysis "imputes" to nationwide personal income data (known as phantom income boosters, or imputations; for example, the imputed income from living in one's own home, or the benefit one receives from a free checking account, or the value of employer-paid health-and-life-insurance premiums). During 2007, believe it or not, imputed income accounted for some 15 percent of GDP. John Williams, the economic statistician, is briskly contemptuous of GDP numbers over the past quarter century. "Upward growth biases built into GDP modeling since the early 1980s have rendered this important series nearly worthless," he wrote in 2004. "[T]he recessions of 1990/1991 and 2001 were much longer and deeper than currently reported [and] lesser downturns in 1986 and 1995 were missed completely."

Nothing, however, can match the tortured evolution of the third key number, the somewhat misnamed Consumer Price Index. Government economists themselves admit that the revisions during the Clinton years worked to reduce the current inflation figures by more than a percentage point, but the overall distortion has been considerably more severe. Just the 1983 manipulation, which substituted "owner equivalent rent" for home-ownership costs, served to understate or reduce inflation during the recent housing boom by 3 to 4 percentage points. Moreover, since the 1990s, the CPI has been subjected to three other adjustments, all downward and all dubious: product substitution (if flank steak gets too expensive, people are assumed to shift to hamburger, but nobody is assumed to move up to filet mignon), geometric weighting (goods and services in which costs are rising most rapidly get a lower weighting for a presumed reduction in consumption), and, most bizarrely, hedonic adjustment, an unusual computation by which additional quality is attributed to a product or service.

The hedonic adjustment, in particular, is as hard to estimate as it is to take seriously. (That it was launched during the tenure of the Oval Office's preeminent hedonist, William Jefferson Clinton, only adds to the absurdity.) No small part of the condemnation must lie in the timing. If quality improvements are to be counted, that count should have begun in the 1950s and 1960s, when such products and services as air-conditioning, air travel, and automatic transmissions—and these are just the A's!—improved consumer satisfaction to a comparable or greater degree than have more recent innovations. That the change was made only in the late Nineties shrieks of politics and opportunism, not integrity of measurement. Most of the time, hedonic adjustment is used to reduce the effective cost of goods, which in turn reduces the stated rate of inflation. Reversing the theory, however, the declining quality of goods or services should adjust effective prices and thereby add to inflation, but that side of the equation generally goes missing. "All in all," Williams points out, "if you were to peel back changes that were made in the CPI going back to the Carter years, you'd see that the CPI would now be 3.5 percent to 4 percent higher"—meaning that, because of lost CPI increases, Social Security checks would be 70 percent greater than they currently are.

Furthermore, when discussing price pressure, government officials invariably bring up "core" inflation, which excludes precisely the two categories—food and energy—now verging on another 1970s-style price surge. This year we have already seen major U.S. food and grocery companies, among them Kellogg and Kraft, report sharp declines in earnings caused by rising grain and dairy prices. Central banks from Europe to Japan worry that the biggest inflation jumps in ten to fifteen years could get in the way of reducing interest rates to cope with weakening economies. Even the U.S. Labor Department acknowledged that in January, the price of imported goods had increased 13.7 percent compared with a year earlier, the biggest surge since record-keeping began in 1982. From Maine to Australia, from Alaska to the Middle East, a hydra-headed inflation is on the loose, unleashed by the many years of rapid growth in the supply of money from the world's central banks (not least the U.S. Federal Reserve), as well as by massive public and private debt creation.
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There was an article in the May Harpers that addresses the gradual fiddling with the numbers that leads to a false sense of the economy.

Numbers Racket: Why the economy is worse than we know

Here's an excerpt:
Right, but the rise in food and oil is NOT the same as inflation. Inflation is used to discuss the change in what the dollar will buy because of changes in the dollar, not changes in supply and demand worldwide. Yes, food and oil prices are rising. But not by that much and the US is not going hungry, and people are not reducing their driving. So how bad can it really be?
post #6 of 18
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Everything I've talked about for the last 3 years is happening. WHEN this happens the government already has dictatorial police powers and can do whatever they want to try and control the panic and rioting that will take place. Martial Law is a step away and life as we know it will be very different.
Don't get my hopes up!

Oh and I love how this is coming from "Darth Sidious." That's not a dig at you as a person, just your screenname is so fucking fitting here, I had to mention it.
post #7 of 18
To coin a term. That whooshing sound you heard was the economy sucking, the good news is there will still be wallpaper left on the walls.

The housing crisis has about 9-12 months left, there will probably be one or two more major financial institution buckling under the pressure (I'm eyeing Citi, personally) along with several minor ones.

At that point all of the deadbeat borrowers will have lost their homes and we can more adequately assess the impact on the economy. What towns will shift from to ghost towns, what cities will need federal or state bail outs. Offering tax incentives and other incentives (free land!) to budding industries to reinvigorate the communities (probably alternative fuels \ environmentally sound start ups).

Ignore the price of oil, ignore the hype around the price of oil. It's basically robber barons taking advantage of the situation. Take a look at any company affiliated with the oil industry \ natural resource industry. (sampling APA, APC, CHK, DVN, EOG (2nd personal favorite), NBL, SWN (Trillion cut engagement ring for this one, she's a keeper), RRC, etc.. etc..) Just look at the last 18 months on these symbols, better yet look at YTD and you'll understand what I'm talking about. This is the diversion to get rich while the poor schleps who bought a house with an ARM loan caused boardroom meltdown's. Once the crisis is over, expect financial institutions to boom big time as the oil barons are cashing out and reinvesting in real estate or the financial sector (See the transportation market meltdown after 9/11 as a prime example of what type of rebound will happen or propping up another portion of the economy to get rich on (dot com, then real estate, now oil industry, next is... ).

On a side note, this might actually be a good step in moving us back to smaller manageable bubbles instead of these hyper inflated bubbles.

If you see Warren Buffet selling his Lincoln and house and moving to Eastern Europe then you should panic.

As to the dollar, who cares? The real problem is our lack of manufacturing \ exports to take full advantage of the lower dollar. If we had the "made in the USA" logo on 12-18% more products you'd have ticker tape parades and parties for the weakened dollar. That's due to our tariffs and free trade policy, we've forced companies to move overseas where they can take advantage of a more lenient corporate environment (cheap labor and environmental standards for starters) and you'll expect to see more of that if Obama is elected and decides to tax the rich to death. Remember, people with money have the luxury of moving and the knowledge that they can make just as much money off of America in another country due to our current world policies while owning a "vacation" home in the good old' US of A. Take a close look at New York state for a sampling of this when they enact their millionaires tax (there are over 70,000 millionaires in NY and about 35,000 of them commute from Connecticut). This is a Democrat initiative that will backfire big time.

From an individual perspective, there's money to be made with the weakened dollar, you just have to have ingenuity and a great accountant.


So, how'd that Gold buying work out for you there Sid?
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We're gonna buy you American bitches and sell you to Africa for slavery.
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Yup, I was thinking of using my almighty euros to buy a harem of American women when the US economy finally collapses. Any suggestions on where I should look?
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Yup, I was thinking of using my almighty euros to buy a harem of American women when the US economy finally collapses. Any suggestions on where I should look?
Well, East Coast girls are hip. I really dig those styles they wear. The southern girls with the way they talk, they knock me out when I'm down there. The mid-west farmers daughters really make you feel all right, and the northern girls with the way they kiss, they keep their boyfriends warm at night.
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Yup, I was thinking of using my almighty euros to buy a harem of American women when the US economy finally collapses. Any suggestions on where I should look?
Puerto Rico.
post #12 of 18
Funny thing is, and I've been itching to mention this somewhere, I remember Rush Limbaugh trashing the introduction of the Euro. He even went as far as to say that the people should save their Euro's to eat as the value of the currency would be worthless within a years time.


Heh.
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We're gonna buy you American bitches and sell you to Africa for slavery.
Oh the irony!
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
Funny thing is, and I've been itching to mention this somewhere, I remember Rush Limbaugh trashing the introduction of the Euro. He even went as far as to say that the people should save their Euro's to eat as the value of the currency would be worthless within a years time.


Heh.
Rush was wrong on something! Dear god, how can you say this!

On a somewhat related note, I remember back in the day Rush was giving the Democratic party some friendly advice to not hammer on the no wmds in Iraq thing. He said that sources told him that they were found and being cataloged and this information was to be used against any naysayers after the war.

That turned out well, didn't it?
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Rush was wrong on something! Dear god, how can you say this!

On a somewhat related note, I remember back in the day Rush was giving the Democratic party some friendly advice to not hammer on the no wmds in Iraq thing. He said that sources told him that they were found and being cataloged and this information was to be used against any naysayers after the war.

That turned out well, didn't it?
Hey, the war's not over yet!
post #16 of 18
What's with all the crackpot threads related to things collapsing?
post #17 of 18
I think he saw 'Reign Over Me' too many times and played far too much Shadow of the Colossus (if such a thing is possible). A whole lotta collapsing going on.
post #18 of 18
Another Ron Paul supporter is off his meds, news at eleven.
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