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post #901 of 922
That article was published way back when, before The House Next Door became part of Slant, which may be why you hadn't noticed it, in which case I suggest you check their old writeups.
post #902 of 922
80 page "Show Bible" from the initial pitch to HBO, with detailed outlines for each episode. Certainly looks legit. I didn't read through it all, but it looked like Kima was originally slated to be killed midway through the season, and I see no mention of Prez at all.
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80 page "Show Bible" from the initial pitch to HBO, with detailed outlines for each episode. Certainly looks legit. I didn't read through it all, but it looked like Kima was originally slated to be killed midway through the season, and I see no mention of Prez at all.
Wow, that's really interesting. My guess is that they changed their minds with Kima possibly because of the slight criticism they received about a lack of strong female characters.

And I'm sure they developed Prez as they went along to prevent him from being a total one-note character. A friend just started watching the show and he was talking about how he loves all the characters, with some exceptions, "like that one cop who totally doesn't know what he's doing and beats the kid with his gun." All I could say was, "Wait 'till season Four."
post #904 of 922
Just started watching this. I'm about half way through season 2 right now. A damn good show is all I have to say. It's great the way the writers tie all of the story lines together. Looking forward to the rest of the episodes.
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Starting season 3 now.

The real nutkicker is the last episode when they go back and show all of the areas that they worked during the season and show the same shit going on. With all of the work these guys do, nothing changes.
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Pretty much. No matter your intentions, your methods, your ethics or lack of them, the system will chew you up and spit you out and the game will remain the same.
post #907 of 922
OK, <insert apologetic diatribe about not watching The Wire until now>

Just watching the second to last episode of season two. Stringer is setting Omar up to take out Brother Moves On. This is going to be *awesome*, right? Wait...don't tell me. I don't want to know.

This is a great show! Does Omar make it all the way through?

Gaaaah! No! Don't tell me! I don't want to know!

Un-pausing now....
post #908 of 922
Brother Mouzone. And yeah, watch the damn show. You don't want us to tell you a thing. Trust me, you'll thank us later.
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Brother Mouzone. And yeah, watch the damn show. You don't want us to tell you a thing. Trust me, you'll thank us later.
My apologies for that completely ridiculous error in the good Brother's name. I'm currently in the midst of the Hamsterdam experiment, and wondering how in the hell plain old McNulty is such a chick magnet. Must be a cop thing.
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I know that this is low hanging fruit and overplayed but this thing cracked me the fuck up:

 

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I know that this is low hanging fruit and overplayed but this thing cracked me the fuck up:

 

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Yeah, overplayed or not, several of these got a chuckle from me.

 

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Just finished the whole series about a week ago, after a big break from season 2. The scope is amazing, and you can't really get a feel of what they're going for even after watching the first couple seasons. The way it covers so many aspects of Baltimore is truly amazing and really pushes it past the really good "cops n crooks" show it starts out as, and into greatness.

Am I the only one that felt something was "off" about season 5? All the main characters return in some capacity, but the show just felt different, and it wasn't due to the addition of the Sun characters. I can't put my finger on it. A slight loss of realism, maybe.

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Just finished the whole series about a week ago, after a big break from season 2. The scope is amazing, and you can't really get a feel of what they're going for even after watching the first couple seasons. The way it covers so many aspects of Baltimore is truly amazing and really pushes it past the really good "cops n crooks" show it starts out as, and into greatness.

Am I the only one that felt something was "off" about season 5? All the main characters return in some capacity, but the show just felt different, and it wasn't due to the addition of the Sun characters. I can't put my finger on it. A slight loss of realism, maybe.

 

I think the Serial Killer story line seems unrealistic, even though we know such things do happen, albeit not to the same extreme degree or with that kind of national presence. But even in Season 4, where a "serial killer" murders 50+ people and everyone seems to forget it happened, or the Hamsterdam business (which was actually science fiction: no police force has tried such a thing), the Wire departed from reality. It could also be the nature of a Media based storyline, which seems inherently unreal when compared to the gritty reality of the streets as depicted in the rest of the show. But yeah I wonder if the show writers maybe had nothing left after Season 4 and just used 5 to wrap things up.
 

 

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For all the hullaballoo about The Wire's "realism," as you point out, it was actually pretty damn unrealistic a lot of the time on the basic premises of its plots. But that's not important, because that's not where the realism counts. The realism is in the basic truths that the series conveys about the way that institutions work. The whole point of the newspaper aspect of season five is the obsession with sensationalism. McNulty, in an act of desperation, plays to that sensationalism in an attempt to get funding for some real, important work, about the kind of things that the media ignores. It's making a statement. I'm pretty sure someone has stated this more eloquently earlier in this amazing thread.

 

My only problem with the newspaper plotline was how thinly sketched the characters associated with it are compared to the rest of the cast. But I'm sure if the show got a twelve or thirteen episode order for the season, and had more room to breathe, they could have been fleshed out more.

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For all the hullaballoo about The Wire's "realism," as you point out, it was actually pretty damn unrealistic a lot of the time on the basic premises of its plots. But that's not important, because that's not where the realism counts. The realism is in the basic truths that the series conveys about the way that institutions work. The whole point of the newspaper aspect of season five is the obsession with sensationalism. McNulty, in an act of desperation, plays to that sensationalism in an attempt to get funding for some real, important work, about the kind of things that the media ignores. It's making a statement. I'm pretty sure someone has stated this more eloquently earlier in this amazing thread.

 

My only problem with the newspaper plotline was how thinly sketched the characters associated with it are compared to the rest of the cast. But I'm sure if the show got a twelve or thirteen episode order for the season, and had more room to breathe, they could have been fleshed out more.


Sure there are unrealistic aspects to the early seasons (characters ask questions about procedure they should already know etc) but the way the gangs and the cops operate is pretty close to the mark coughcoughnotthatiwouldknowcoughcough.

 

I think the thin characterization of the newspaper guys might have been part of the statement. They are observers (or witnesses if you prefer), not living in the trenches the way the other characters are. Except for Gus: that man was wired in.

 

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Sure there are unrealistic aspects to the early seasons (characters ask questions about procedure they should already know etc) but the way the gangs and the cops operate is pretty close to the mark coughcoughnotthatiwouldknowcoughcough.


Oh yeah, I'm not questioning the mundane, procedural details. 

 


I think the thin characterization of the newspaper guys might have been part of the statement. They are observers (or witnesses if you prefer), not living in the trenches the way the other characters are. Except for Gus: that man was wired in.

 

That's interesting. I'm not really sure about intentionally simplifying characters in a show that captured how complex people are better than 99% of others that have ever been done.

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Well let me put it another way: in the whole series there are two groups  of people of whom we learn very little: The Greeks and the Reporters. The point of the Greeks is that they are the New World Order of crime: they have no real identity of their own, so they "adopt" the identity of Greeks (at one point the head guys admits he's not even Greek). They move from one coast to another, have multiple passports etc. They stand in contrast to all the crime figures in Baltimore, who are fiercely Territorial (Marlow, Barksdale), tied by sentiment (Prop Joe) or simply can't conceive of anywhere outside of Baltimore (Bodie).

 

Now look at the reporters. Alma is committed to being a reporter as a career: she has a boyfriend: at the end of the series she is transferred to bumfuck. And she's somewhat honest, though one can speculate on whether she's "learned" something by the end. Scott Templeton (the "bad guy"), what is he? A shallow, ambitious incompetent who gets lucky. He clearly gives fuck all about Baltimore and tries to move on to the Washington Post). Gus is the only local guy, and clearly has ties to the community. The senior editor and the publisher are living in their own 1% world, and not connected to the community at all, though they would tell you I'm sure that that's what they're all about.

 

 

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I will mull this posit you have made. I will mull it thoroughly.

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Is there a thread for season 5?

I can't seem to find it, although I found 3 and 4, and a season 1 thread that kind of became a mishmash.

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Am I the only one that felt something was "off" about season 5?

 

Not even slightly, and Simon got pretty defensive about it in interviews.  No question, it's still head and shoulders above most TV, but there's alo no question that there's a lot more simple black and white in Templeton's story (same name as the rat in Charlotte's Web, which may or may not be a coincidence) than is typical for The Wire.

 

Also no question, the truncated season didn't help: among other things, while I felt that most of the characters earned the endings they got, the "montage" presentation was a bit more cheese than we needed.

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My only problem with the newspaper plotline was how thinly sketched the characters associated with it are compared to the rest of the cast. But I'm sure if the show got a twelve or thirteen episode order for the season, and had more room to breathe, they could have been fleshed out more.



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