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post #1 of 267
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Premieres July 27th at 10 pm. There's a marathon of the series that airs on the 20th starting at noon and running all 12 episodes.

Spoiler: No word whether or not they're going with the "series jumps ahead three years each season" take that I heard talked about a while back.
post #2 of 267
If they do indeed do that spoiler, then there's gonna be way too much to explain or fill in. I don't think it's doable.
post #3 of 267
I thought it was going to be seven more than that. Which would be very interesting. Damn solid show, despite the presence of the tobacco drug. Wait, wait. Dam solid show, INCLUDING the awesome presence of the tobacco drug.
post #4 of 267
Stoked!
post #5 of 267
As to what Rath was saying Spoiler?: I thought the original plan was to have the series jump two years for each new season. Funny how there's been no mentioning of that.
post #6 of 267
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Ed's right, it was spoiler: two years, not three. Which is kind of disappointing, because as much as it's been done to death, I really would have liked this show's take on the Kennedy assassination.
post #7 of 267
Not necessarily, Speculation: I think there are other events and trends that are just as important but not as covered as the JFK assassination. And really I don't know what effect it had on the ad world. It would probably come up in reference to other things down the line if the show continues. Espcially, say this show makes it to 1968.
post #8 of 267
Major spoilers!: Weiner has finally revealed the show is jumping 14 months ahead, into 1962. http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/07/matthew-weiner.html
post #9 of 267
AICN states the show will run for five seasons and wrap up either in 1970 or 1969.
post #10 of 267
I never got that into the show in the initial run, but OnDemand has all the episodes up right now, so I think I'll go through a couple of them tonight.
post #11 of 267
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Upon rewatching the series, my gut tells me that the second season will open with Peggy and Don divorced. However, I know that would be the easiest way to go, and my other gut says that the divorce scenario is something they would build on through the seasons. (Other lame prediction: Roger will be dead/written out of the show.) But I do worry that there's so much that they left open in the last couple episodes of season one that the first couple episodes of this season will be "here's what happened in the last 14 months." There's one in particular involving a certain character that I worry about, although the finale made their intial reaction pretty clear.

The big thematic question is how they're going to continue the series' central theme, which is "Who is Don Draper?" (identity) There are certainly a lot of places to go, and my recent Season 1 marathon leaves me convinced that this is one of -- if not the -- best show on TV right now, and really, I haven't been this excited for a returning series since "The Wire." But I'm, you know, like that.
post #12 of 267
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my gut tells me that the second season will open with Peggy and Don divorced.
Peggy and Don would have to get married first, which would be pretty crazy.

But seriously, that sort of runs counter to that last sequence in the finale. There's a slim chance that Betty might take the kids and leave Don, but it's not really in her character to do without proof that he's cheating on her, and the worst thing she knows he's been up to is calling her shrink. Rachel broke it off with Don when he tried to talk her into running away with him, and Don broke it off with Midge when he realized she was actually in love with the beatnik theatre guy, so there isn't much in the way of ongoing infidelity for Betty to catch him at.

And in 1962 divorce was still pretty rare, especially for upper-middle/lower-upper class families like the Drapers. If a divorce is in the offing for them, I don't see it happening until Season 4(1966) or Season 5(1968).

I don't think they're going to be a happily married perfect couple, though. It'll probably have settled into a more traditional, sterile, going through the motions marriage, after Don spent the off-screen year actually trying to be the husband he thinks Betty wants him to be, and not doing a very good job at it.
post #13 of 267
Betty could continue her forbidden love affair with the dryer this season and I would be just fine with it.
post #14 of 267
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Peggy and Don would have to get married first, which would be pretty crazy.
Yeah. I'm a moron. I was trying to tip-toe around some of the larger spoilers in the first season finale and tired when I was typing that, so stuff got jumbled around in my mind.

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But seriously, that sort of runs counter to that last sequence in the finale. There's a slim chance that Betty might take the kids and leave Don, but it's not really in her character to do without proof that he's cheating on her, and the worst thing she knows he's been up to is calling her shrink.
I sort of agree with you, but I thought the point of the whole sequence where she tells Don (through her shrink) that she knows wasn't her fishing for information, but that she's realized all the signs that Don's been cheating on her were there and she had been ignoring them or whatever.

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And in 1962 divorce was still pretty rare, especially for upper-middle/lower-upper class families like the Drapers. If a divorce is in the offing for them, I don't see it happening until Season 4(1966) or Season 5(1968).
I agree with this too, it's sort of what I was trying to say. I don't think that the Drapers, if they do, will get divorced until later in the series run (if it makes it that long), I was just saying that that's how my always-wrong gut felt. And on the other hand, having a couple on the show get divorced would feel like they were hitting the greatest hits of the decade (also why although part of me hopes that they do explore Sal's homosexuality in future seasons, we won't see him participating in the Stonewall riots, although that's a case when it would be appropriate) and this show is so not interested in that kind of NBC-miniseries storytelling.
post #15 of 267
I FINALLY caught up with this series, and now I am frothing at the mouth for season 2. My god, I don't think I've stopped talking about it to friends.

I'm curious if they are going to keep going with the Don Draper backstory, or leave it alone for a bit to focus more on the dynamics of the ensemble in the present (or the previous months since season 1). I'm not sure where else they could take it without HUGELY shaking up the show.

So excited for S2
post #16 of 267
Betty riding the dryer is nice and all, but how about Hildy side boob? Very nice.

In all seriousness, I dig the hell out of this show and can't wait for more. I would love to some day know whether it was Chase or HBO who screwed up in this show's embryonic phase. Both look like morons right now.
post #17 of 267
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Chase was a long-time supporter of the show. The pilot script is why he hired Weiner for Sopranos. It was HBO that said "Not our thing."

Hildy side-boob was unexpected and glorious.

Just an FYI for spoiler phobes -- the recent review in EW is one of those that gives too much away. I wish I hadn't read it.
post #18 of 267
Instead of starting threads and articles about lust for 13 year old Harry Potter actresses,
people around here should be talking about Christina Hendricks. Lust for grown-ups.


Read: THIS SHOW IS FUCKING AMAZING
post #19 of 267
Stoked!
post #20 of 267
I was watching some of the marathon yesterday. Where was Sal? Does the guy appear for one episode and disappear?
post #21 of 267
He's in a lot of episodes.
post #22 of 267
I missed the show on the first run..gave it a "what the heck-its on HD on demand" viewing. I ended up watching the whole season in just two days.

I have told everyone i know to watch this as well

Christina Hendricks..oh hell yes!
post #23 of 267
I loved the first season to death, and I just finished watching it the other night. The only thing I couldn't believe was that Peggy didn't know she was pregnant. I still don't get how that's possible but I've heard it still happens. Also, was Peter a bit queasy in the end not because of his in-laws being there but because he was told he was a father? That's about the only part I couldn't discern from the final episode. Anyways, I can't wait for the second season, it's starting even earlier than I thought!
post #24 of 267
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I think the finale made it pretty clear that Pete doesn't know he's a dad. His queasiness came more from the fact that he's been reduced to begging his rich in-laws for table scraps at work.

As for the Peggy thing, it's not that unrealistic, especially in 1960. They portrayed her as being pretty dedicated to her job throughout the season, and were clever about suggesting the weight gain was the result of her eating habits. There were enough "clues" through the season that explain why a young woman in her situation may have not noticed she was pregnant. It's kind of a stretch from a story standpoint, but it's not a huge one.
post #25 of 267
Oh shit. I freaked out when I saw this thread and thought I missed the premiere. Phew.

Also, the Blu-Ray transfers of season one are glorious.
post #26 of 267
Just finished watching this DVD set. Fucking amazing show!

January Jones doesn't get enough love. She took what could have been a really cliched character and created a fascinating portrait of depression/repression. Her scene in the final episode with the little boy in the car was heartbreaking.

As for Christina Hendricks: sweet sassy molassey! She's curved out considerably since Firefly. Very impressive.
post #27 of 267
That's what I pretty much figured but I wasn't sure (the Peggy thing), thanks for the second thought on it.

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I think the finale made it pretty clear that Pete doesn't know he's a dad. His queasiness came more from the fact that he's been reduced to begging his rich in-laws for table scraps at work.

As for the Peggy thing, it's not that unrealistic, especially in 1960. They portrayed her as being pretty dedicated to her job throughout the season, and were clever about suggesting the weight gain was the result of her eating habits. There were enough "clues" through the season that explain why a young woman in her situation may have not noticed she was pregnant. It's kind of a stretch from a story standpoint, but it's not a huge one.
post #28 of 267
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January Jones is so fantastic, although a lot of that comes from the hair and the clothes.
post #29 of 267
I decided to watch the first episode On Demand earlier this week based on all the hype. I proceeded to tear through the rest of the season over the next three days. Absolutely brilliant show.

Everybody's great, but Vincent Kartheiser as Pete Campbell is tops. What a fantastic character.
post #30 of 267
The season premiere was pretty bad ass. These people are living some complicated, unhappy lives for sure (though things seem a LITTLE better for Don and Betty)

A bit confused about Betty's mechanic scene though. Am I missing the point with that or what?
post #31 of 267
I took Betty's scene with the mechanic to be a parallel with her "party girl" friend, using what she's got to get her way (everything short of straight up sex with the guy). I love how devilish January Jones was in this premiere. It makes her 10000000000000000x sexier.

I also loved the parallel of Draper in the bar with the younger hippie-ish dude back to the first season premiere of him in the bar speaking to the older black worker about his cigarettes. It's clear that Draper's out of his element a bit now (with Betty too, coming home every night and having her basically more assertive on all fronts), and I'm interested to see where the Don and Duck relationship goes to. It's interesting that Don's arguably rash decision in choosing Duck (over Pete) could backfire, you wonder if Pete were the head of accounts, if Don would have half the headaches that seem to be forming.

Also, Elizabeth Moss? Perfection. She was totally underused in West Wing, the girl can flat out act.
post #32 of 267
I just know that Betty is looking better and better every moment. Specially in that tight horse riding outfit.
post #33 of 267
Two best moments of the episode were Peggy tearing Don's new secretary a new one (which was made even funnier when they show that, rather than Don being out with a new mistress, he's just eating lunch by himself in a bar), and the montage of everyone watching the Jackie Kennedy White House tour...except Pete, who's watching a cowboy show (The Lone Ranger? I couldn't tell from the dialogue) and eating the chocolates he bought for his wife.
post #34 of 267
This is one of the few shows left on television that begs a second viewing. There's sooooooo much subtext.

I've been waiting for my editor to release my BR review for a month. Screw it, I'm releasing it live myself in honor of the season two return. God I hope I didn't make any huge spelling errors.
post #35 of 267
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Two best moments of the episode were Peggy tearing Don's new secretary a new one (which was made even funnier when they show that, rather than Don being out with a new mistress, he's just eating lunch by himself in a bar), and the montage of everyone watching the Jackie Kennedy White House tour...except Pete, who's watching a cowboy show (The Lone Ranger? I couldn't tell from the dialogue) and eating the chocolates he bought for his wife.

There were hints of it in Season One, but I'm currious to see how far they're going to go with Peggy's transformation into a cold, pragmatic career woman. I don't think we've heard the last of her surprise child, either.

Poor Sal seems to have himself a giant deluded beard of a "girlfriend".
post #36 of 267
Wow. I guess the credits are a metaphor for the series. The first season was these guys and this lifestyle at the top and over five seasons we're going to see what happens as they butt heads against the world and change in general. They're so arrogant and aren't going to know what hit them. The copy machine is a brilliant symbol for what's coming. They don't know what to do with it or where to put it. We've never seen Don this confused or unsure with himself. He needs his mojo back.

I loved how January Jones wanted to see how far her sex appeal could get her in the scene with the mechanic. She was very curious about her friend and the life path she chose. I guess the theme of this episode has something to do with age or getting older. Weiner comes from the David Chase school where a single plot isn't what ties an episode together, it's theme theme theme.
post #37 of 267
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"What else do you have?"
"Several more Indian puns."

I couldn't have been happier. The Draper impotence thing was kind of cliche, but ties in nicely with the big theme of the series, which is "Who is Don Draper?" The first season seemed to be about the most surface interpretation of that question, but I liked how they're continuing with that question and in turn following up on things in the first season. The O'Hara and his interest in it was a natural progression of Draper's flirtation with bohemia in the first season.

In a way, this really felt like it was taking a page from 'The Wire,' in that many things were set up but it felt like nothing really happened. But the things that we did learn kept set things up very nicely. I also want to find out about Sal and his beard, and what happened to Peggy/Pete's love child. (It seems like they're setting that up as the big "mystery" for the season. That and ZOMG who is Draper writing to?!)

Elisabeth Moss really impressed me in this episode -- I wasn't a huge fan of her in the first season, but moments like the one with Draper's new secretary and just the way she played those scenes with Pete and the later one with Draper. Her reactions/facial expressions knocked me out.

That scene with Draper over the ad is probably more crucial than the copier as metaphor. I really think Draper's obsession with nostalgia and sentiment is what's going to be the eventual death of him.

Speaking of the credits, I noticed at the end that Draper's silhouette was a bit more filled-in than the strictly black-and-white one we got in season one. I wonder if that was intentional.

I also liked what a bitch Joan was, and I liked how Pete's wife (who I find hot for some sick reason) was presented as somewhat sympathetic without betraying her stuck-up, spoiled character we saw in the first season. And John Slattery's a regular! Yay!

But man, those last few minutes, so great. Jon Hamm is my new god.

I'm rambling. More to come. (Oh, and that scene with Betty and the mechanic was unbearably tense. And how fucking great was "Take off your hat?")

Mad Men fans should check out Alan Sepinwall and The House Next Door the day of/day after each episode for unmissable commentary and analysis. It was at Sepinwall where I learned, for example, that the credits listed the woman Sal was with was his wife. His wife. And House Next Door suggested that one way to read the scene in the elevator and the O'Hara stuff was that after years of being "Don Draper," Don doesn't like who he's been playing, and is on a course to self-improvement that may lead to disaster.
post #38 of 267
Man, that musical montage opening felt so Sopranos.

Frank O'Hara, wow, givin' me love, Mad Men.

Looks promising. Don is a mess.
post #39 of 267
Amazing. Outside of The Sopranos, Twin Peaks, or Pushing Daisies, I can't think of a stronger visual scene in a TV show than Campbell finding out about his dad and stepping out into the main area. That shot behind him was perfectly in tune with the story and where his character was at that moment. I'm really wondering where Draper is going to go this season. He's really bottoming out.
post #40 of 267
I think Don might end up hating Duck more than he hates Pete.

And Peggy saying goodnight to the kid? Yeeeeeesh. Tough stuff.
post #41 of 267
This one's Kartheiser's episode, but there's some really good Don stuff. I loved the way Kartheiser played Pete's complete lack of understanding and confusion about how to handle grief, the fact that he went to Don to find out what to do, and Don seeming to genuinely sympathise with him. And the revelation that his family isn't quite as moneyed as he thought, due to his father.

I think Don's really starting to regret bringing Duck on, the way that Duck seems to have supplanted him, and is turning Sterling Cooper into a big, aggressive ad firm, instead of the smaller, sort of below the radar operation that he was so comfortable with before.

Other notes:

- THEY WERE WEARING SHOES IN COOPER'S OFFICE!

- Peggy's response to Joan's rant about bringing personal issues into the workplace and how everyone should act like professionals was pretty sly.

- Carlton REALLY let himself go.

- Spoiler: So the state made Peggy relinquish custody of Pete's bastard offspring to her immediate family. Kind of surprising that she wasn't disowned, given how devoutly Catholic her mother and sister are.

I love that this show is back, and I love that they seem to be firing on all cylinders as quickly as they already are.
post #42 of 267
The scene where Pete goes into Don's office and Don snaps at him was tragic. I mean, it just destroyed me. Thought it was interesting how Duck, whether genuine or fake, mentioned that Pete is "not one of our best, but THE best," as it's been shown before that Pete is actually the one who's been pretty dead on with his opinions, just been shot down because he's young and no one likes him.

Kartheiser just owns this show. I love his work, it continues to impress me more and more.
post #43 of 267
They are playing it pretty tight if anything happened between Betty and Don regarding his affair. The first part of the season premiere led the viewer to believe that they had a sepration, with Betty telling the kid he'd give Don the Valentine when she "saw" him and their first scene together away from the house. Even the second episode had some overshadowing implications, with Betty's comments about their card playing couple and then Don's interaction with the Hostess. I don't think they've dealt with it yet and it'll come to a head sometime this season.
post #44 of 267
I love how the revelation that Joan is 31 years old was supposed to be a big scandal.
post #45 of 267
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And Peggy saying goodnight to the kid? Yeeeeeesh. Tough stuff.
"Hi Aunt Peggy" just about killed me for some reason.
post #46 of 267
Did they do the "intersting facts about our advertisers" during the commercials last season also? Leave it to a show about advertising men, to make you want to stay tuned to see these facts...
post #47 of 267
The utter consistency of Roger's inhumanity makes for tasty viewing.

"What kind of agency are we going to be?"
"One where everyone has a summer house?"

"Jets are made for dropping bombs on Moscow, not French cuisine!"
post #48 of 267
Great episode. Loved the party. All of the interplays at the party were great.
The jokes after the plane crashed reminded me of CHUD.

Don remains to be a King amongst men for refusing to sell out.
post #49 of 267
Why doesn't everyone on Chud watch this show? It's getting Sopranos good. And it totally had the best abortion joke ever:

"Just some show. You wouldn't like it."

And Don Draper would take Tony Soprano out and fuck him in the street*.

* Thank you, Ed Begley Jr.
post #50 of 267
I guess I'm in a minority, but I've been watching the first few episodes of season 1, and I'm really not liking this show. The performances are very good, mind you, it's the writing that's irritating me. In a weird way, it reminds me of what I disliked about Star Trek: The Next Generation. It's such a smug, self-congratulatory view of the past. Nearly every scene (at least in these early episodes) seems to be saying "Look at how barbaric and awful our culture used to be. Thank god we're so enlightened today". It gets on my nerves after a while.
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