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post #51 of 267
8/11/08 at 5:02am
It seems like that at first, but it becomes a brilliant character show that also functions as a dry satire.
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post #52 of 267
8/11/08 at 1:37pm
Poor Lois got screwed.
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post #53 of 267
8/11/08 at 1:42pm
I want to do that thing that Don did to make the comedian's handler do what he says.

Also, that insult comedian? The yuppie husband from the beginning of Idiocracy.
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post #54 of 267
8/11/08 at 4:45pm
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I guess I'm in a minority, but I've been watching the first few episodes of season 1, and I'm really not liking this show. The performances are very good, mind you, it's the writing that's irritating me. In a weird way, it reminds me of what I disliked about Star Trek: The Next Generation. It's such a smug, self-congratulatory view of the past. Nearly every scene (at least in these early episodes) seems to be saying "Look at how barbaric and awful our culture used to be. Thank god we're so enlightened today". It gets on my nerves after a while.
I thought the exact same thing, but I had to review it so I had to watch it all. After about three episodes my opinion changed greatly. The show is all about people keeping their emotions under wraps, and about everything they do ends up with some kind of double meaning, especially after a second viewing, leading the audience to have no idea what to trust.
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post #55 of 267
8/11/08 at 5:41pm
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I want to do that thing that Don did to make the comedian's handler do what he says.

Also, that insult comedian? The yuppie husband from the beginning of Idiocracy.
Also, the guy scared to death by the creature behind the diner in Mulholland Drive. I see that guy in everything.
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post #56 of 267
8/11/08 at 6:06pm
Great episode last night. Seems like things are starting to come into focus a little bit this season.

Loved the opened paycheck storyline.
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post #57 of 267
8/14/08 at 11:07pm
Keep watching Greg. It seems like that at first. With the excessive smoking, drinking and references. It keeps getting better. Very fast.

I just love every single actor in this. Sal is such a joy to watch. And Draper firing Louise was great. "You are not suited for this kind of job. That's not an insult".
I want to say that to someone.
Don's look when he sat at the dinner table after fucking that woman was incredible.

And i keep being in love with Betty.
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post #58 of 267
8/15/08 at 1:52pm
If anyone starts watching this and doesn't get to the film projector episode... well... they can just go fuck themselves.

Stick with it, Greg.
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post #59 of 267
8/18/08 at 2:17am
Whoa. I really wonder where this is going.

Peggy's sister is a twatblock. Jesus.
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post #60 of 267
8/18/08 at 2:32am
good to see Colin Hanks getting more work
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post #61 of 267
8/18/08 at 3:11am
That last dinner scene was really uncomfortably familiar for me. But Bobby's 'We need to get you a new daddy' broke that mood perfectly. And the whole thing made for a really strong re-injection of the mysterious past of Dick Whitman.
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post #62 of 267
8/19/08 at 12:01am
"My dad used to beat the hell out of me, and all it did was make me fantasize about the day I could murder him." Jon Hamm - one Emmy please.

I like Draper's daughter nonchalantly pointing out Joan's "big ones".
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post #63 of 267
8/20/08 at 11:40pm
As good as any moment in this show was, didn't you feel a little cheated about not seeing the presentation? I miss them. They were a big part of season 1. Specially "The Carousel" (which was heart wrenching). Hanks looks great in the part, and he's starting to really look like his dad.

Did you notice that Sally drank?
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post #64 of 267
8/25/08 at 12:01am
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but after tonight's episode, I think this show is now my favorite tv show of all time. Jesus, this show is as consistently good as anything I've ever seen.
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post #65 of 267
8/25/08 at 4:35am
"Peggy, listen to me. Get out of here and move forward. This never happened. It will shock you how much it never happened."

That was one of the best moments in TV history. This is one the level of The Sopranos and possibly The Wire. Anyone that's not on board now will feel stupid later. Pure fucking brilliance.
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post #66 of 267
8/25/08 at 8:50am
Yeah, that scene and that line were just incredible.
Also, "Thank you, Don"
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post #67 of 267
8/25/08 at 10:55am
There were a lot of great lines involving Don, with relation to his past, with quite a few people creating lies to allow them to live their lives. His is by far the largest but it was great to see him make those lines and see his face reflecting back on it. Hamm gives a great performance with this character.

My housemate said after the episode that Don seemed more unreadable this year than last. I disagreed in that you know his past and where he is coming from and reading him, although he isn't an open books, in certain scenes brings him very much alive.
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post #68 of 267
8/25/08 at 11:48am
Thinking about show a bit more, Peggy's sister was pregnant at the same time of Peggy. So, that baby that we assumed was Peggy's was actually her sisters and Don's advice to Peggy about doing whatever they say to get out of the hospital could imply that Peggy still doesn't know she had a child. All the scenes with her and the kid were to show that she was uncomfortable with the kid because she was still in denail about the whole preganancy.

And the marathon next Sunday is a brilliant move because every scene dealing with Peggy and the baby should be rewatched as everything we thought we knew was wrong.

Great show.
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post #69 of 267
8/25/08 at 12:10pm
I need to watch the ep again, but I read speculation that perhaps her sister had a miscarriage, and that's where the jealousy and hatred comes from regarding Peggy and Anita. I'm not sure, I need to watch this ep again.
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post #70 of 267
8/25/08 at 12:13pm
It was certainly vague. No answers given.
It did shock me to see her pregnant. Did she have a husband? If not, that would make her a bigger hypocritical bitch.
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post #71 of 267
8/25/08 at 12:32pm
Yeah, her husband is mentioned when Peggy is in the car with Don, she says something about her brother-in-law. I think it was his car.

The title of the episode was "The New Girl" which was referencing Peggy. She walked out of the hospital and new girl, as Don walked off that battlefield a new man. She left her past there in that room.

The storyline with the Campbell's trying to have a kid gets even more twisted because they can't and here's Peggy, who had his kid, can't live with the fact and forgets the whole affair.
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post #72 of 267
8/25/08 at 4:27pm
Did anybody else feel that episode lasted about 15 minutes? I was completely riveted, then BAM it was over.

This show continues to ascend towards greatness, and it's a pleasure to watch . . . I'm not placing it above Wire/Sopranos/Deadwood just yet, but it's headed for the pantheon.
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post #73 of 267
8/25/08 at 4:35pm
I was guessing that Peggy's sister was faking pregnancy at that point. We aren't clear on how long she's been in the hospital...
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post #74 of 267
8/25/08 at 5:20pm
I still don't get the her sister faking of the pregnancy or thinking she had a miscarriage crowd. Maybe because I was raised in a Catholic household along that similar timeframe I understand that families aren't small. I have five brother and sisters, so Peggy's married sister being pregnant isn't a reach. They went very far to establish how Catholic the family was - diner with Priests.

I'm going to have to re-watch all the episodes now to see Peggy's reaction to the kid and Don and Peggy's relationship. I'm sure they play the same but it's truly brilliant to be able to film a scene to have two different meanings and not give away that second one before you want to reveal it.
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post #75 of 267
8/25/08 at 6:26pm
Fred walking out and playing his zipper during Cosgrove's conversation with the new girl killed me . . . "It's Mozart!"
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post #76 of 267
8/25/08 at 6:32pm
It killed me because I knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't even need to say "It's Mozart".
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post #77 of 267
8/25/08 at 7:32pm
I forgot to say, I found myself saying, "Watch the road." I was dreading where that scene was going. I thought she was going to die. Has anyone else noticed that this is the only show on TV that doesn't spoil anything in the promos? That has to be Weiner. No network would do that on their own. They all buy into the Zemeckis method.

Another great moment:

"The welcome wagon."
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post #78 of 267
8/25/08 at 8:53pm
Rewatching this ep now, Peggy's delivery of this line:

"You have to believe me that I'll forget about this. I don't want you treating me badly because I remind you of it."

So full of meaning, such a great scene. Don being kind of a dick to her, mostly unintentionally, and her in such a subtle way reminding him "I've done this before, remember?"...and then that last line, a nice little jab at herself, a reference to the way she treats her own child (though we've established the details of this are unclear). This, combined with her delivery of the "Thank you Don," the look on Draper's face as he realizes that she, like him, has succeeded in getting past it all.

Fucking love this show.
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post #79 of 267
8/29/08 at 7:54pm
This episode underscores how screwed over all the female players on this show got by the Emmy nominations. Moss and Jones should be owning those categories.
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post #80 of 267
9/1/08 at 1:16am
Great episode tonight. Good use of the Decemberists, many great Joan moments, and Betty Draper in a teeny yellow bikini.
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post #81 of 267
9/2/08 at 3:52pm
I'm almost caught up. I need to see 2.06 and then I'll be all the way there. I love this show.
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post #82 of 267
9/2/08 at 5:58pm
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I forgot to say, I found myself saying, "Watch the road." I was dreading where that scene was going. I thought she was going to die. Has anyone else noticed that this is the only show on TV that doesn't spoil anything in the promos? That has to be Weiner. No network would do that on their own. They all buy into the Zemeckis method.

Another great moment:

"The welcome wagon."
The promos are great. Just characters saying lines which you have no idea what they apply to. It is so much like the show in itself. It's so well written, lines, which just gloss over you, come back to mean so much more as the show develops.
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post #83 of 267
9/2/08 at 6:19pm
Does anyone do "haunted" better than Jon Hamm right now?

Duck putting his dog on the street so he could get drunk was some heartbreaking shit.
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post #84 of 267
9/4/08 at 4:20pm
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Does anyone do "haunted" better than Jon Hamm right now?

Duck putting his dog on the street so he could get drunk was some heartbreaking shit.
ITA about Duck and the dog. I felt so terrible for him this episode. Then again, I guess I always had a sweet spot for him since they gave him the job and screwed Pete. I can't wait to see Pete fall hard.
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post #85 of 267
9/4/08 at 5:43pm
I'll be surprised if Duck makes it through the season. The divorce and the loosing the airline account seemed to take a pretty heavy toll on him.
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post #86 of 267
9/4/08 at 8:22pm
Before i saw the bottle, i thought Duck went into that office to jump.
It was a killing episode for him. The divorce scene with his kids was all too real.

Don continues to be a mystery inside an enigma. Did he get offered a job at the CIA at the beginning? I want that show!

Also, January Jones in the bikini... my god.

"I told you to stop talking". This show never seizes to amaze.
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post #87 of 267
9/5/08 at 12:16pm
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Before i saw the bottle, i thought Duck went into that office to jump.
It was a killing episode for him. The divorce scene with his kids was all too real.

Don continues to be a mystery inside an enigma. Did he get offered a job at the CIA at the beginning? I want that show!

Also, January Jones in the bikini... my god.

"I told you to stop talking". This show never seizes to amaze.
I don't know if that was the wisest move tying that lady up, though. One of these crazy broads is going to rat him out one of these days. Did anyone catch who it was she said told her about Don? I missed the name and I couldn't guess, sadly.

I kind of want to see more Colin Hanks, too. I'm a semi-fan of his, and I kind of want to see Peggy corrupt a priest. Really just toss her morals out the window this season.
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post #88 of 267
9/5/08 at 12:19pm
Well, she did end up on the lap of one of the clients. A move i hated. She was better than that. And she's not being one of the boys that way, she is being the boys entertainment. Exactly what she was trying to avoid.
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post #89 of 267
9/8/08 at 11:22am
We get a little more about Salvatore in the latest. It's another case where they show enough interaction to leave you wondering about the character. I think he knows he attracted to other men but hasn't acted on it. Another person whose hiding who he really is. It's interesting they bring someone whose known him a very long time on for his wife. It allows them to play her actions as someone with pre-knowledge, as opposed to someone he just me in New York.
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post #90 of 267
9/8/08 at 3:14pm
That final scene in the car managed to be shocking, heartbreaking and hilarious all at the same time. Poor Betty. Poor Cadillac interior.

Jane just fucked with the wrong office manager.
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post #91 of 267
9/8/08 at 8:30pm
"i can see why someone would like to reprehend you..."
God i love Sterling.
I want to make nasty things to Jane. Really Nasty things. She'd probably fuck me up, but hey i don't care.

Salvatore makes me sad. He's so good and unique. And he can't be himself.

And Don looked SO young in that first scene. He was a car salesman. Awesome!
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post #92 of 267
9/8/08 at 8:48pm
I feel like an idiot because my friend had to point out the Platex 'Jackie or Maralyn' ad being a metaphore for Don, though I had noticed that all his mistresses have been brunettes and his wife is a blonde.
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post #93 of 267
9/8/08 at 9:32pm
I just caught up. "Maidenform" is a classic episode. I dug how they dealt with duality. The last shot of Don in the mirror was a perfect button on the episode. I love how Don didn't want her to talk because she could easily pop his bubble of denial. That all comes to a head when he talks to Jimmy in the next episode. He can't be in denial anymore. That old question is back: "Who is Don Draper?" I also loved how it dealt with the hypocritical way all the men look at and treat the women on the show. On the same note, it's really interesting how January Jones plays the character like a naive young girl, which makes me feel she's on the verge of growing up painfully, and how ashamed she seemed when he said it was "desperate."

Oh, and the scene with the dog was heartbreaking.

"The Gold Violin" was very solid. Is Salvatore the instrument that doesn't play music? That ending was amazing. I didn't realize they were married.
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post #94 of 267
9/8/08 at 9:36pm
Is this the first time we know of that Don's slept with a married woman?
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post #95 of 267
9/8/08 at 9:38pm
I think so, but I could be wrong.
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post #96 of 267
9/8/08 at 10:29pm
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Is this the first time we know of that Don's slept with a married woman?
That we know of so far, but remember Bobbie said he had a "reputation", so it's quite possible he's had other dudes' wives before.
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post #97 of 267
9/8/08 at 10:40pm
I think his reputation was just that he's awesome in bed, and likes the ladies. And I loved that the flashback brought in something I'd been wondering about since last season: What about the real Don Draper's family?

And Jane vs. Joan is going to escalate epically, I think, as well as Duck's nervous breakdown. One of his ideas FINALLY goes well, and Don gets the credit and the reward.
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post #98 of 267
9/8/08 at 10:42pm
It was the booze that powered him. He's just going to keep coming back to it.
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post #99 of 267
9/8/08 at 10:51pm
The Jane/Joan scenes make me want to snap my finger, whip my neck around and say "Oh no you di'n't!". It's an epic internal struggle.
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post #100 of 267
9/9/08 at 3:51am
Jane seems like such a dead-end character. What I love about this show is that I know they're going to surprise me at some point. The mantle of "best writing on TV" has definitely been passed to Weiner and co.

Betty and Jimmy at the kids' table was perfect.
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