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Finally saw "Dog Soldiers"

post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 
I fucking loved it. I know people say it's not all that and that it's a let-down, but I went in without much expectations and had a fucking blast. I can't imagine seeing it on the small screen as half the fun was seeing it on the big screen with a big crowd.

Not only did I think it was a rather well-directed movie (really kinetic as all fuck - something missing from most directorial debuts), but the werewolf suits were pretty effectively handled.

Seriously, it's pretty depressing, actually, that this didn't get real theatrical distribution in America. It's definitely a big screen movie and I would love to see it up there again.
post #2 of 42
I get to see it on the big screen in Ohio! YAAAAY! ahem...yep.
post #3 of 42
I'm delighted you enjoyed it, Smilin' Jack. I agree with everything you said. HotDog were WAY wrong in their review. You might do me a favour and ressurect my DS thread in the sewer. Or at least read it.

Yes, it is much more fun than BOTW, even though I hastily put BOTW ahead on my top 10 of 2002.
post #4 of 42
Thread Starter 
I don't know about the "Brotherhood of the Wolf" comparison. I love "Brotherhood of the Wolf" and consider it one of the best movies I've ever seen. Yeah, "Dog Soldiers" is just TONS OF FUN, but I think "Brotherhood" is in a class by itself.
post #5 of 42
I love Dog Soldiers to bits, buts it easy to see why it never got big theatrical distribution in the States. As an action film it's too cheap 'n cheerful, it doesn't have that mainstream slickness.

Plus the Brit references would definitely fly way over the heads of most US folk (which is a real shame, because the final send-off line was fucking INSPIRED, and had me grinning from ear to ear)
post #6 of 42
I'd agree with SJR on BOTW being in a glass of its own. Plus, BOTW,

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isn't a Werewolf movie. It isn't even a wolf. I don't really see the comparison.
post #7 of 42
Isn't a werewolf movie? That's kinda like saying 'From Dusk Till Dawn' isn't a vampire movie. Of course 'Dog Soldiers' is a werewolf film...it's just a fresh spin on the lore.
post #8 of 42
Sorry if I didn't make it clear, I meant Brotherhood of the Wolf, Ryan.
post #9 of 42
Here is another damn movie than none of my rental places have and I need to see. Is it worth just buying because I need to see the damn movie already.
post #10 of 42
I dig, Fett. Silly me.
post #11 of 42
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Samurai X Likes Sharp Things:
Here is another damn movie than none of my rental places have and I need to see. Is it worth just buying because I need to see the damn movie already.
yup
post #12 of 42
*grumbles into cornflakes and red bull* Didn't talk about Event Horizon start just like this ?
post #13 of 42
damn, i've been itching to see this. i purposely avoided the edited Sci-Fi airing in the hopes that it would make it to Boston theaters, but now i just hope the DVD treatment is top.
post #14 of 42
Which, if I'm not mistaken, has yet to be announced. I'm gonna find out what the situation is with taht, but I have a feeling if it does well in L.A.,we might get to see it out here on the East Coast.
post #15 of 42
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Smilin' Jack Ruby:
I fucking loved it. I know people say it's not all that and that it's a let-down, but I went in without much expectations and had a fucking blast. I can't imagine seeing it on the small screen as half the fun was seeing it on the big screen with a big crowd.

Not only did I think it was a rather well-directed movie (really kinetic as all fuck - something missing from most directorial debuts), but the werewolf suits were pretty effectively handled.

Seriously, it's pretty depressing, actually, that this didn't get real theatrical distribution in America. It's definitely a big screen movie and I would love to see it up there again.
Hell yes, I couldn't agree with you more. Pure blood soaked fun from beginning to end.
post #16 of 42
November 5th, 2002

Special Edition, specs have yet to be announced but it should have commentary and deleted scenes. The only problem? Artisan is putting it out...
post #17 of 42
Originally posted by Cthulu 4 u:
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"I get to see it on the big screen in Ohio! YAAAAY! ahem...yep.
May I ask, where? I'd love to see it on a big screen if it's a resonable distance away.
post #18 of 42
Finally! I finally got to see this flick! I was afraid that I was going to be saddled with the Sci Fi Channel cut but I managed to find the SMR rip (which is pretty shoddy, but it'll do).

I'd been looking forward to this one for a while. Werewolf flicks rarely impress me, but every now and then something comes along that is pretty cool. I liked Ginger Snaps and the Howling (even the goony sequel) but it's been a while since a werewolf flick really got me excited.

Enter Dog Soldiers. The premise is tired. Chances are you've seen several variations of the concept already, but it's charm is in the execution. I was pleased to find that the wolves walked upright, something that I've wanted to see in a wolf movie for a while. There's something very imposing about a werewolf that walks like a man instead of just being chased by a wolf that looks like a normal dog. The wolf make up is also very good and the gore was there in surprising amounts. There's also a healthy dose of action and some good acting to help it along.

Chances are you've seen this movie before in Night of the Living Dead or Critters where the good guys are badly outnumbered by an overwhelming legion and low on ammo, but it's a good exercise in the werewolf department regardless. I didn't go into it looking for Lawrence of Arabia. I was looking for a good time and got one.
post #19 of 42
Thread Starter 
Amazingly, "Underworld" is going to have goat-legged, vertical werewolves that can RUN as well. It's taken years, as usually you have to have them on rigs (this is the problem the "Predator" people had). But, apparently, Patrick Tatapoulos (-5 sp) has come up with a stilt-spring contraption that will allow stunt guys to actually run around as werewolves without rigs, cranes and harnesses.
post #20 of 42
Sorry, Mr. Fat, it's at the "Nightmare At Studio 35" 24 hour horror marathon with Bruce Campbell. Tickets just sold out. i got mine! YIPEE!
post #21 of 42
GREAT FLICK!! Definately gonna get in on DVD.
High point for me was the guy holding in his guts!! I've read about that in so many fantasy novels it was truly a moment to have it visualized on screen!
post #22 of 42
DOG SOLDIERS had to be one of the best werewolf flicks to come out in a long, long, long, long, long,....long time. Although I'm actually one of those who actually enjoyed (and still do) An American Werewolf in Paris over London (expecting flames from this statement like you wouldn't believe eek! ), this film simply rocked. I especially loved the last 15 minutes with the running fight through the house. Spoon's fight with the werewolf while in the kitchen was one of the highlights for this viewer, throwing dishes , stabbing the wolf with a kitchen knife, and screaming like a madman was especially fun to watch.

For those of you who avoided watching this film because it was in an edited form, you still missed out. There was still a generous helping of the red stuff even in the edited version of the film. Can't wait to see what was removed when it hits DVD.

P.S.-Stuff about the efx for the werewolves in the upcoming vampire vs. werewolves slobberknocker flick, UNDERWORLD , was discussed in this forum. Howscome I haven't read anything in the the Creature-Corner , about it Johnny, Robert? What also happened to the upcoming script review of the flick? I'm waiting.
post #23 of 42
Must.... not.... flame...... argh!
post #24 of 42
Wow, someone's demanding. We've had at least two stories about it on the site since it was announced, so I would gues you're just not looking close enough. Yeah.

And the script review would probably be coming from Mr.Ryan, since I have no way of getting the script.
post #25 of 42
Thread Starter 
I have a copy I've been sliding around since April as it's got to be one of my most anticipated movies. It'll find its way to Boston.
post #26 of 42
Just wanted to say that I'm going to see Dog Soldiers on the BIG SCREEN tonight, baybee! Apparently somebody in my neck of the woods (Northwest Arkansas, of all places) had something to do with the production or the financing or something. So we've got Dog Soldiers for one week only in an actual movie house! I've avoided reading the rest of this thread till I've seen the flick, but I need a good werewolf fix, and in the cinema house as well--too sweet.

In the small newspaper article in my local rag that accompanied the opening, the "producer" or "financer" or whatever he was said that they were going to release it on DVD in November, "probably," unless they can find a distributor. From the buzz and what folks around here have been saying, I think we'd all prefer to wait a few months for the DVD if it meant a nationwide release. But I don't know how much force there is behind that...just an offhanded comment by someone only marginally involved in the movie, no doubt.

Anyway, you can all start envying me now!
post #27 of 42
Well, saw it on the BIG SCREEN in Rogers, Arkansas last night, as stated in my previous post. OH MY GOD. Not only the best werewolf movie I've seen since...well, since American Werewolf in London, but the best HORROR movie I've seen in at LEAST 10 years. PERIOD.

I'm not exaggerating. This movie kicks so much ass, it oughta be a crime.

The cinematography--fantastic. Great scenery, great use of camera movement and angles, and an absolute LESSON on how to build suspense visually. Fucking A.

The acting? Fucking A. Great performances from just about everybody. It's a small cast, and everybody pulls his weight. (I say "his" b/c there's only one female part--well, two, if you count a 3-minute victim at the beginning.) The guy playing Ryan hands in one of the better "asshole military man" performances in recent memory, and the platoon leader (not cooper, but the other guy, played by the engineer from Event Horizon) kicked my ass all over the theater with his performance. Powerful stuff. Great, great, great.

The horror? This is where it shines most. MUCH gorier than I expected--no shortage of the red stuff. They took a lesson from Evil Dead lore and "made the blood run down the screen"--literally. The werwolves are great, and are not over-exposed ,which helps hide the low budget. The kills--visceral, disturbing, horrifying, awesome. Fan-fucking-tastic to see a movie not afraid to show spilling intestines. And the lore--great stuff. Not "turning the ww on his head," as some have suggested, but rather "putting the horror back in the ww, going back to its roots." In my opinion anyway. The pack idea was great, and the folklorists in the audience could play "spot the reference" (goldilocks, red riding hood, even the old english folktale about the hunter who severs the wolf's paw, only to find out later it's turned to a human hand)--something for everybody.

I'm SO glad I got to see it uncut, and in the cinema. The sound, the lighting, everything...I've got nothing bad to say about it. Everyone should see this movie in the theaters...but if you can't you should at least see in on DVD, in the dark, with the sound turned up.

6 stars. Awesome.
post #28 of 42
6 stars out of how many?

You really thought it was better than 'Dagon', at least on the overall "horror movie" level?
post #29 of 42
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OH MY GOD. Not only the best werewolf movie I've seen since...well, since American Werewolf in London, but the best HORROR movie I've seen in at LEAST 10 years. PERIOD.
Somewhere, a Straxboy is weeping...
post #30 of 42
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Johnny Butane:
6 stars out of how many?

You really thought it was better than 'Dagon', at least on the overall "horror movie" level?
6 out of 5. And as much as I loved Dagon...yes, I think Dog Soldiers was better. Just my opinion, but there it is.

Maybe my opinion on Dagon would have been affected by seeing it in the theater instead of DVD...but DS just struck a chord with me. I know I'm sounding like a terrible fanboy, but hey, I loved it.
post #31 of 42
i dunno..this flick was right up my alley, but I was pretty let down on all fronts. thought it was derivative...I thought the production did a very poor job of veiling it's low budget nature(compare to dagon, which looks like a $60 million film)and the werewolf elements wer used only cursorily, thought the direction was poor...not enough estblishing shots...poor use of POV shots...some implausabilities i didn't get...

what was i missing?
post #32 of 42
I couldn't disagree more, walter. It's curious...everything you list as being lacking, I thought the movie had in spades. Mabye it's just the werewolf fan in me.

And let me say that I think Dagon is a 5 out of 5 star-fest easily. But being a big werewolf fan, as I said, this just hit me harder, and I thought it was more frightening. Which is not to say Dagon wasn't--it was a pantaloon-filler and no mistake.

And for me, DS had on good quality that Dagon lacked--Ezra Gooden wasn't in it. wink I loved Dagon, but I didn't think Gooden was very...well, good. Lucky for him (and us) the rest of the production made up for it.

To each his own, though. There's room enough for both.
post #33 of 42
BTW, did you see it uncut or in a television edit? B/c there was probably a big difference.
post #34 of 42
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Come on. I'll give some slack in the gory yuk-yks category...fun night out, lewd laffs yadda yadda...

But really....are we really saying that DS is better than every horror picture of the last ten years ?

In the cast and crew screening of the full print that I saw, from the opening, piss poorly edited, camp scene with some humunculous hairy nonce and his lady getting eaten by what sounds like a rather tired squirrel, my hopes were dashed. Coupled with the dire slow motion, exploding Bay-ims at the climax (something thats gets lambasted in any picture without swear-a-thon soccer gags littering its corpse) I'd say this was a picture saved by its money shot of the sword blade nearly opking out Kevin McKidd's eye - itself stolen from M:I2 (although in time honoured fashion Im sure the old "I've-never-actually-seen-that-movie-but-I've-heard-about-it" chestnut will be trotted out).

Yes it picked after that. Yes the werewolves ran. Yes there was an amusing guts gag. Yes it was quite funny. And yes it was very knowing in its nudge-nudge send up of the horror genre (another thing that bizarrely gets lambasted every time that Scream gets mentioned). But come on. As first films go it's hardly up there with Hellraiser or Hardware, two of the most ferociously brilliant films to come from Blighty in the last 20 years.

I'd put it on a par with Lighthouse/Dead of Night or Death Machine - functional, profficient, promising.

Adrenalin has a lot to answer for and in three years lets see if it's a case of over-egged critical pudding or a slice of humble pie: Full Eclipse or Waxwork

Or maybe Im just a tit who's so in love with his own 'chucklesome' brand of tongue-twisting reviewing.
post #35 of 42
"We're" not saying DS is better... I am. If you don't think so, fine. I'm just saying I enjoyed it more than any horror movie I've seen in that amount of time. Granted I haven't seen every horror movie that's come out in the last decade, but I know what I like.

And if you liked Hardware, then to quote Charlie Brown, "We're obviously separated by denominational differences." I thought Hardware was a boring, poorly made, ineffectually realized not-very-good-concept to start with piece o' crap with only a pretty good sex scene to recommend it...but again, if you liked it, great.

Apparently my good/bad scale is upside down from a lot of folks here--I loved the opening scene, I thought the kinetic editing style was effective, I thought there were plenty of "establishing shots" and effective use of POV, and I thought DS was genuinely frightening and made the WW's come to life. I also thought it was well written, I thought the comedy fit in with the characters rather than being implanted over them a la Scream et. al, and I thought it was a character-driven story about people you really cared about...or at least I did. The things I liked about the movie, the DS-dissenters point out as things they hated. Interesting.

Anyway, I stand by my rave review.
post #36 of 42
The fickle finger of opinion-formation. Or something.

Still, all power to 'em if it makes money for British horror pictures. Better Brtitish horror pictures will hopefully come out of it, but...

Thanks for elaborating anyhoo Mr Scott
post #37 of 42
Thing about Dog Soldiers is, it's FUN. Certainly more fun than anything Clive "don't give up the day job" Barker or Richard "PLEASE give up the day job" Stanley ever directed.

Watch Dog Soldiers with your brain switched off and just go along for the ride. You'll forgive its (many) flaws.
post #38 of 42
Even if its not that frightening, it still funnier than most of the shiite filmmakers put out today..and very entertaining.

I saw Ginger Snaps recently and frankly it bored me to tears ..
post #39 of 42
Just spotted the Dog Soldiers DVD on deepdiscountdvd.com for $11.99,due 11/05. That's a good deal even if the movie *is* too british for you.
post #40 of 42
Mmm... Ginger...

Ginger Snaps... such a great flick. So fresher than most horror flicks I've seen recently, and way more successful at combing the old comedy/gore factor than most. And with the best credit sequence in a while...
post #41 of 42
Yup. Mighty fine. Different league to Dog Soldiers.

Must analyse these issues sometime soon.
post #42 of 42
I am a giant tool and would like to retract my post about deepdiscountdvd and recommend instead that the disk be purchased via the evilshop to support the Corner. How could I forget...

Anyway, it's not actually IN the Evilshop yet, but it is on Amazon so I'm sure it will be added and someone will post a link.
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