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post #1 of 44
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I just picked up that box set last night and started making my way through the first one. I can't bring myself to play any PSOne games (warped textures and muddy graphics don't hold up as well as most sprite-based games did), but this is the one exception. The game's imitation of moody lighting and strong attention to detail (for a 1998 game) is still astounding. I can't believe how well this game has aged in the past decade (!). Bitching about graphics at this point is bitching about the special effects in 2001 or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK: missing the point. While this game more than any of the others suffers from the "8-bit gameplay in a 3D game" issues, Metal Gear Solid has always been about the experience more than anything. The only thing I really miss about the gameplay is the ability to shoot while in first person (something the PC and Gamecube versions had). Still, the plot, acting, and characters had me giddily laughing in Kojima's hyper-Bruckheimerian vision.

I'm not too psyched to play the second one since it's probably the one I played the most, but in terms of level structure, it feels very repetitive. None of the areas feel unique when you arrive at the Big Shell. And sadly, the Snake stuff at the beginning is pretty stale to me since I did every trick I could in countless runthroughs (GTA 3 and MGS 2 were the only games I had for PS2 for a while).

I'm pretty excited to play MGS 3. I only played through it once, but I remember it to be pretty engrossing stuff. I love Gregson-Williams' Bond-esque score and the whole Cold War angle the game takes. The only thing I'm upset by that it isn't the Subsistence version of the game, as I'd love to use the free camera. The 8-bit games would have been a nice bonus, too.

As for all the handheld games, the only one I truly enjoyed was Ghost Babel for Game Boy Color. It was a perfect mix of the original game and Metal Gear Solid. The Acid games were okay as a brief diversion, but I'm not into card-based combat much and a half-assed story in a Metal Gear game doesn't make it a game worth playing. Same goes with Portable Ops. I wanted a new Metal Gear experience on the PSP, but instead I got lame switchable characters, text-based dialogue, and a story I didn't give two shits about (though I only played 2 hours before returning it).

Either way, a PS3 will definitely be in my living room next week. At this point, the Bluray player is an afterthought.
post #2 of 44
MGS is one of the best game of it's genre. The 2nd one killed with it's overlong philosophical speeches about war and so on. Somehow, I never sought MSG3, and now that the 4th one is coming out and I can't get it (no X360 and PS3), I wonder if it's worth getting.
post #3 of 44
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Originally Posted by Scott View Post
The only thing I'm upset by that it isn't the Subsistence version of the game, as I'd love to use the free camera.
If you bought the essential collection box, it is the Subsistence version. I just played through the game again (like you, I'm going through them all before 4 but in series timeline order) and the free camera was in here.
post #4 of 44
This was the first game I played were I actually cared about the story and the characters.

The team of bad guys are by far the best in the series as well, especially Psycho Mantis
post #5 of 44
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Nice! So I guess the only extra is the Ape Escape stuff like in the original game?
post #6 of 44
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Nice! So I guess the only extra is the Ape Escape stuff like in the original game?
Actually, nope, since the Ape Escape mini-game was moved to the second disc on the Subsistance release. The only extra on the first disc was the Demo Theater mode that was added for the eiuropean release of the original game.
post #7 of 44
I would refer to the Metal Gear retrospective over at Gametrailers to see how the games play out. It's also informative as hell.
post #8 of 44
I could never get into the game. Too many custscenes and not-playable animations. The only MG game I enjoyed was the old Nintendo verson way back when.
post #9 of 44
The first metal gear seemed to have some good video game music for the time. At least that's what I can gather from the Retrospective footage.
post #10 of 44
As a movie with a bit of game wrapped around it, it's boring as shit. As a game with a really pretentious action movie wrapped around there's some serious fun to be had but certainly not worth the hype.

In general, a lot of the series' fans mistake quantity storytelling with quality. And, quite objectively, those people are wrong. And I'm not looking forward to sleepwalking my way through another 6 months of long winded cnspiracy rants from fans.

Wake me when Kojima reveals whatever the fuck he's up to involving Snatcher.
post #11 of 44
I agree with what you're saying. As a movie, it would be ridiculous (Unless it was anime, maybe.)

But I did get a slight laugh out of the fact LBJ is involved in the third Metal Gear game. I just find the melding of real and fictional history somtimes to be funny like that.

That and waiting a week for the old guy to die.

Still, like I said in the other Metal Gear thread. The plot is still more interesting than what Tom Clancy does.
post #12 of 44
MGS 3 is pure gameplaying goodness. Honestly, while the first one really has heavy nostalgia going for it, the third one is the most fun to play. And less conspiracy psychobabble!
post #13 of 44
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Still, like I said in the other Metal Gear thread. The plot is still more interesting than what Tom Clancy does.
If it helps any, I've hated Splinter Cell since day one.
post #14 of 44
Doesn't mean anything to me since my video game playing days have long gone by (That and I'm lazy). But I'm a sucker for techo thrillers if the story is interesting and set up well. Not to mention I like noticing the homages and or ripoffs used to support the game.

Still I find the idea of a young guy with white hair to be funny for some reason. Only in Japan.
post #15 of 44
Metal Gear Solid had a cinematic presentation to it that was unparelleled at the time of it's release. That's why it was such a big deal. And yeah, the story is silly, but not sillier than your average video game.
post #16 of 44
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MGS 3 is pure gameplaying goodness. Honestly, while the first one really has heavy nostalgia going for it, the third one is the most fun to play. And less conspiracy psychobabble!
I'll agree that 3 is by far the best. But I'm replaying 1 right now and while it's obviously not much more of a technical marvel, the gameplay and level design still holds up beautifully. In hindsight, this was truly one of the first brilliant examples of sandbox gameplay, with the way each room in the game was carefully crafted to allow for a ton of variations in how you could approach them.
post #17 of 44
I've only played the PS2 game, which I enjoyed, but wasn't blown away by. The early reviews of the new one are stellar, so I might check it out, but I'm worried that I'll have no idea what the hell a metal gear solid is. Is there a coherent primer for the backstory?
post #18 of 44
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Is there a coherent primer for the backstory?
Gametrailers has a series of retrospectives running, currently on episode four and covering all the canonical games in the series up to Portable Ops.
post #19 of 44
Yeah, I've been mentioning those quite a bit. They're great videos (As opposed to the insomnia curing Final Fantasy videos) although it would've been nice to see the gameplay of the PSP game rather than just the odd as hell animation.
post #20 of 44
MGS1 also features the only Kurdish character I've ever seen in a video game. Lovely.
post #21 of 44
Who was that?
post #22 of 44
"I finally understand. I wasn't waiting to kill people... I was waiting for someone to kill me. A man like you..." - Sniper Wolf

*sniff*
post #23 of 44
Wait, is that an actual line from the game?
post #24 of 44
That's what Google tells me. Dont worry, I wouldnt go fanfic on you guys.
post #25 of 44
Will the PS1 version of MGS play on my 60 gig PS3? I ain't pulling out the PS2 or PS1 for it.
post #26 of 44
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Will the PS1 version of MGS play on my 60 gig PS3? I ain't pulling out the PS2 or PS1 for it.
Yes, it will play perfectly on your PS3. I just played through both MGS and MGS3 again, as a refresher for MGS4, this weekend on my 60 GB PS3 and they both played fine. I'll be playing through MGS2 this weekend.

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Wait, is that an actual line from the game?
Yeah, that's a line from MGS.
post #27 of 44
Many thanks. Oddly enough, never played MGS, MGS3, and never finished MGS2 (I remember a lot of LOOOONG cut-scenes, and Jack and Rose). But that collection is cheap, and maybe it's worth a shot. It's a long time until RE5 or Resistance 2.
post #28 of 44
MGS3 is just an awesome game. The boss battles are just plain fun.
post #29 of 44
MGS3 rocks. It's the best game since, well MGS 1.
post #30 of 44
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Will the PS1 version of MGS play on my 60 gig PS3? I ain't pulling out the PS2 or PS1 for it.
All PS3s are PSone compatible - due to PSone emulation being software-based.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong by having a game not work on it, but... meh.
post #31 of 44
I imagine this has been taken care of over at the MGS4 thread but I look at a poster of Raiden I keep wondering what the hell is wrong with his chin and lowerlip. Is that part of the equipment? Is that make up, the hell is that?
post #32 of 44
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I imagine this has been taken care of over at the MGS4 thread but I look at a poster of Raiden I keep wondering what the hell is wrong with his chin and lowerlip. Is that part of the equipment? Is that make up, the hell is that?
This might count as spoilers so read on at your own risk but [SPOILERS]apparenty the nanomachines his blood was replaced with in MGS2 has caused Raiden's body to deteriorate horribly and there's not much left of him, hence why he's now in the cyborg ninja getup. Supposedly all that's left of his natural body is his head, spine and maybe an internal organ or two.[/SPOILERS]

Also, I agree that MGS1 is very, very silly but I think it works when taken on its own terms. I started replaying it last night myself and even if my nostalgia is clouding my judgement, I don't really care. I still love this as much now as I did when I first played it ten years ago.
post #33 of 44
I knew that stuff, it's listed in Wikipedia. I was just curious about that particluar part of the body seeing how (SPOILERS?) his head is somehow left but that doesn't even appear to be the case. Still, if there was thing that's interesting in all of this is how it's all coming apart at the end.
post #34 of 44
How does the Psycho Mantis battle in MGS1 work with the PS3 set-up?
post #35 of 44
Snake Eater is my favourite PS2 game.
post #36 of 44
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How does the Psycho Mantis battle in MGS1 work with the PS3 set-up?
I did it yesterday, and it worked exactly like it did on PS1. Mantis gives an analysis of your playstyle, comments on how many times you've saved, and he still moves the controller by vibrating it (if you have a DS3 of course). I had no other Konami game save on the memory card but I assume that it would comment on that, provided that said game save was from one the game that the bit usually worked with (like Castlevania or Suikoden).
post #37 of 44
I think he was asking how the controller switching worked.
post #38 of 44
But what about the trick you need to beat him? I guess I haven't had to play around with system options enough to find out if you can reassign controller slots. I don't know if that really needs to be a spoiler 10 years out but I always thought the way to win that fight was really clever.

Yeah, what Mr. Gittes said. I type slow.
post #39 of 44
Ah, that's what you meant. Sorry. Well basically yeah, you just have to press the "home" button on the controller and reassign it to port 2 and voila, that does the trick.
post #40 of 44
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Do we really need spoilertext for a game that's ten years old? In fact, to hell with all spoilertext. Snake Eater is only 4 years old, but that's one of those "shame on you" games.
post #41 of 44
Yeah that's a good point really.
post #42 of 44
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I'm thinking about picking up Subsistence, even though I just got Snake Eater yesterday. All the wacky extras mentioned in the latest Game Trailers retrospective seem to be way more enjoyable than any of the usual boring VR stuff.

Is all that (along with the MSX games) worth the $25 bucks?
post #43 of 44
The ability to manually manipulate the camera makes Subsistence more than worth that price. Everything else is just gravy at that point.
post #44 of 44
Anyone remember the VR training game for PS1? It was like a spin-off released shortly after MGS. Man, that was crap. I remember picking it up and reading on the back of the box "play as the Ninja!" They didn't mention you had to go through something like 70 boring levels to do it. Me and my friends gave up by like 50%, probably woulda sucked anyway.
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